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China warns India against exploring oil in South China Sea ahead of Krishna

dont know if Indian oil company own any sea oil exploratory ships? China have the capability of operate a sea oil field 100% by itself only in recent years,

i will just wait, wait Indian measuring ship really comes to the China control area, and see what the China marine authority is going to do, according to the latest border dispute fuss, Vietnam have their measuring ship cable cut off by China marine governance ship once their measuring ship approach the area, so this time i will see if China government is really that powerless,

and no military clash would possibly break out, according to the latest border dispute fuss, unless either side ask for it, like India send a warship instead of a civil ship to the area, the last time, fuss between China and Vietnam, not a single warship is involved.
 
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LOL...... 3600 nuclear weapons are not made just for fun.... they are made to be used against bad neighbors.

It looks like India will open itself up to a devastating Chinese attack again. Nothing can shield India from 3600 nuclear weapons except maybe a NATO missile shield and this means colonization by the West again.

You are right my Chinese brother! The only problem is that the Indians are already mentally colonized by the whites. Just read their posts on threads that are anti-Islamic, anti-Pakistan and anti-Chinese of how they go out of their way to defend the "man". Perhaps, more than the "man" himself.
 
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You are right my Chinese brother! The only problem is that the Indians are already mentally colonized by the whites. Just read their posts on threads that are anti-Islamic, anti-Pakistan and anti-Chinese of how they go our of their way to defend the "man". Perhaps, more than the "man" himself.

Last I heard, your country is still running on a White man's aid. Talk about colonisation !

And our posts are never Anti Islamic, they are anti terrorist for sure.
 
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It is obvious that India is afraid of China opening up a rail link to Pakistan through Kashmir and then turning Pakistan into a land of milk and honey through trade. So India is trying to make trouble for China together with Vietnam.

FAILED

Judging the trade surplus China has with Pakistan, it certainly land of milk for some :lol:

If India tries to invade China's sovereign seas, China will simply attack Vietnam and attack India at the same time. Our missiles and aircraft carrier can easily sink every Vietnamese and Indian navy ship in the South China Sea. If India tries to block our trade through Malacca Strait, then China can react on the land border -- especially by helping Pakistan take K+J.

Like in 1971 and 1999?
 
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Last I heard, your country is still running on a White man's aid. Talk about colonisation !

And our posts are never Anti Islamic, they are anti terrorist for sure.

You people very well know that the Pakistani government is corrupt to the bone, hence they will become enslaved to anyone offering the highest price.
One the other hand, the Pakistani public absolutely despises the "man" and wants to kick them out of their country.

You people (the indians) are enslaved and support the "man" on a government and public level as proven over and over again on PDF
 
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dont know if Indian oil company own any sea oil exploratory ships? China have the capability of operate a sea oil field 100% by itself only in recent years,

i will just wait, wait Indian measuring ship really comes to the China control area, and see what the China marine authority is going to do, according to the latest border dispute fuss, Vietnam have their measuring ship cable cut off by China marine governance ship once their measuring ship approach the area, so this time i will see if China government is really that powerless,

and no military clash would possibly break out, according to the latest border dispute fuss, unless either side ask for it, like India send a warship instead of a civil ship to the area, the last time, fuss between China and Vietnam, not a single warship is involved.

India would not dare to challenge China in South China Sea unless it received secret assurance of the american backing. Uncle sam's dirty hands are behind all this. The asean states are using uncle sam's desire to teach China a lesson to expand their sea boundary. China is in a difficult position because all these asean states are under the influence of the US. India is simply poking its nose to be bloodied by the Chinese. It happened in 1962 and it can happen again; it seems india has forgotten that lesson. Things have already started happening in Ladakh.
 
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You people very well know that the Pakistani government is corrupt to the bone, hence they will become enslaved to anyone offering the highest price.
One the other hand, the Pakistani public absolutely despises the "man" and wants to kick them out of their country.

You people (the indians) are enslaved and support the "man" on a government and public level as proven over and over again on PDF

All I can see is that you live in US. Shame on you. Come "home". Oh wait, typical internet warrior. Begs from one hand and preaches free advise from another:lol:

Stick to the topic. It is not about "west".
 
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India would not dare to challenge China in South China Sea unless it received secret assurance of the american backing. Uncle sam's dirty hands are behind all this. The asean states are using uncle sam's desire to teach China a lesson to expand their sea boundary. China is in a difficult position because all these asean states are under the influence of the US. India is simply poking its nose to be bloodied by the Chinese. It happened in 1962 and it can happen again; it seems india has forgotten that lesson. Things have already started happening in Ladakh.

..and we bloodied their nose in 1967 and 1988.,..and what about ladakh??....did these guys stay and fight? by the time Indian armed forces reached ..those chinese soldiers ran back to their hide outs inside china..we may not be powerful as China but we are definitely able and will protect our interests now...
 
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..and we bloodied their nose in 1967 and 1988.,..and what about ladakh??....did these guys stay and fight? by the time Indian armed forces reached ..those chinese soldiers ran back to their hide outs inside china..we may not be powerful as China but we are definitely able and will protect our interests now...

Sounds more like empty barrel!
 
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India picks a quarrel with China
Asia Times Online :: India picks a quarrel with China

By M K Bhadrakumar

India, which has been wetting its toes sporadically in the South China Sea in the recent years, is apparently taking the plunge to wade waist-deep into the troubled waters. It is a historic move - be it there is no clarity whether merely tactical or strategic. But it is historic; India's "Look East" policy acquires swagger. The Sino-Indian geostrategic rivalry is not going to be the same again.

Two months ago, an unidentified caller on an open radio channel hailed an Indian naval ship INS Airavatas as it was leaving Vietnam after a "goodwill visit", and advised it to lay off the South China Sea. The Chinese denied Beijing's involvement in the incident. India kept an ambiguous silence over the incident, which the Western media played up.

But this time around, the spat is for real and is inflammable. It has


to do with exploration projects by Indian state-owned company Oil and Natural Gas Corporation Videsh Limited (ONGC Videsh) in two offshore blocks that Vietnam claims. The Indian establishment selectively "leaked" ONGC Videsh's move just ahead of the visit by India's external affairs minister SM Krishna to Hanoi this week, presumably to draw out Beijing into a reaction.

Beijing promptly obliged by taking exception to India engaging in oil and gas exploration projects in the disputed South China Sea. The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said in reply to a query: ''Our consistent position is that we are opposed to any country engaging in oil and gas exploration and development activities in waters under China's jurisdiction.''

While maintaining that Beijing was not aware of any Indian involvement in any project in the South China Sea, the spokesperson stressed that China enjoyed ''indisputable sovereignty'' over the South China Sea and its islands. Then came the swipe. ''We hope foreign countries will not get involved in the dispute. For countries outside the region, we hope they will respect and support countries in the region to solve this dispute through bilateral channels.''

The Indian spokesman promptly reacted in Delhi to the Chinese foreign ministry statement insisting, ''Our cooperation with Vietnam or any other country is always as per international laws, norms and conventions … cooperation with Vietnam in the area of energy and to secure India's energy security is very important. There are a number of Indian companies already operational and we are looking at further enhancing the cooperation in the years ahead.''

Oil slicks can spread…
The Indian contention, as articulated by unidentified official sources to the Delhi media, is that the dispute in the South China Sea is strictly bilateral between China and Vietnam and that is something to be addressed within the framework of international law. ''In the meantime, it is in public knowledge that we [India] are going ahead with expanding our ties with Vietnam.''

ONGC Videsh has been active in Vietnam for some years already and is now expanding its activities. The subject is on Krishna's agenda of talks in Hanoi. Meanwhile, other private Indian companies are also beginning to scout around for exploration work in the disputed offshore fields. The ball is now on Krishna's court. How he takes the discord forward, whether he pushes the envelope, how assertively he is going to do that - all this is going to set the tempo for Sino-Indian interactions in a near future.

This is by no means a quarrel over energy security or international law. It is a carbon copy of the triangular equations involving China, Pakistan and India. Replace Vietnam with Pakistan and the South China Sea spat is almost a replay of the Indian disquiet about the burgeoning Sino-Pakistan alliance. That alliance is virtually cascading in front of Indian eyes and Beijing blithely pretends it doesn't notice. Not a month passes without some Pakistani dignitary or the other cogitating with the Chinese political and military leadership.

Far more important is China stepping up its involvement in the disputed part of Kashmir that India claims as its territory but which is under Pakistani occupation and Delhi has named '***************** Kashmir' [***]. A recent Chinese commentary attributed to an influential strategic thinker, Pan Guang, Director of the Shanghai Center for International Studies and Institute of European and Asian Studies and concurrently the Director of SCI Studies Centre in Shanghai suggested that China might be on the brink of using the Karakorum and the *** territory for developing communication links with Afghanistan. Pan claimed that the matter was under the active consideration of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization following discussions with Beijing.

Pan wrote in an article in China-US Focus titled ''China and US in Central Asia: Role of the SCO and Possibility of Cooperation in Afghanistan'':

''Even though China has not sent its troops to Afghanistan, the Chinese support for the allied forces in the country is widely observable.

''At present, the United States and NATO are considering three options for involving China in the logistic replenishment for Afghan actions. First, China is required to open the Wakhan Corridor on the Sino-Afghan border as a channel for providing logistic support for NATO troops. But the corridor, over 5,000 meters in altitude, has very challenging topography and climate, posing serious technical difficulties to any passage. Second, highways and railways in China are used for transporting goods into the Pakistani Part of Kashmir, to be further trans-shipped into Afghanistan. Third, Goods are to be shipped to Gwadar, the Pakistani port constructed and managed by the Chinese companies, before they are transported into Afghanistan on land. For the moment, the second option is being focused upon by the two parties in negotiation.''

Conceivably, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. What is absolutely clear is that Delhi took a calculated decision to nudge Beijing. Vietnam is a unique strategic option for Delhi to make Beijing comprehend the depth of Indian feelings about China's ties with Pakistan. The parallel is almost complete insofar as there is a lot of empathy that India would have from other Southeast Asian countries with involvement in the South China Sea dispute - and from Japan - just as China enjoys in the South Asian region among the small countries surrounding India with which India has had difficult relationships.

… but conflict is unlikely
India has shied away from the US attempts to get it onto a bandwagon along with its other Asian allies but has preferred to go it alone so that the current spat is strictly 'bilateral' and its resolution would have to be within the Sino-Indian framework. Delhi could be probing the scope for ground rules with Beijing guiding their behavior in each other's 'spheres of influence' that are equitable and sustainable and based on mutual advantage. The issue here is whether China would see things that way.

For China, its ties with Pakistan or any other South Asian country are not necessarily "India-centric". Nor can India openly claim the South Asian region to be its "sphere of influence" where China is obliged to calibrate its behavior to suit Delhi's sensitivities. Over and above, China's expanding interest in the Indian Ocean region is of such far-reaching consequence to its global strategies that it will be hard-pressed to curb them in order to accommodate the Indian sensitivities. In sum, therefore, a new chapter is commencing in the Sino-Indian geostrategic rivalry.

The pattern of conflict and cooperation inherent in the Sino-Indian relationship is acquiring a new template. In a masterly recent work on India's foreign policy, Does the Elephant Dance?, David Malone, who served as Canada's High Commissioner to India during 2006-2008, wrote with great prescience:

''While there can be no certainty with respect to either possible future conflict or sustained cooperation between India and China, the likelihood is a mix of security-related tension and economic cooperation. Outright war is highly unlikely - both sides have too much to lose. But the two nations will continue to rub against each other, with unpredictable outcomes, as they seek to expand their respective spheres of influence.''

Indeed, the economic relationship is rapidly growing. Ironically, on the same day that the Indian foreign-policy establishment chose to "prick" the Chinese sensitivities over South China Sea, the Indian finance ministry took a huge leap forward to encourage Chinese investments in India.

The Indian government decided to allow Indian companies to borrow in yuan up to a new ceiling of US$1 billion. The move aims at facilitating borrowing from China whose cost of credit is low for India's infrastructure development.

So far India allowed overseas borrowing only in US dollar, euro, yen or pound sterling. In essence, Indian private companies are being enabled to place big orders with Chinese suppliers, especially for power-generation equipment.Arguably, the rapidly developing trade and economic ties between adversaries could have a calming effect on their choler and passions.

On the other hand, the South China spat also shows that despite the booming trade and economic ties, the Sino-Indian relationship is characterized by lingering suspicion and mistrust, which can be inflamed at any moment willfully or otherwise as their competition for influence in South Asia and neighboring regions or the sheer expansion of their international economic interests and their military reach acquires bigger momentum - although neither country is expansionist in territorial terms.

One thing is for sure. All major foreign policy moves and most minor moves in Delhi are directly handled in the prime minister's office in Delhi with the foreign ministry taking a back seat in the recent past and confining itself to articulating policies rather than crafting them. Put simply, the current spat carries the imprimatur of the Indian prime minister's office.

That brings up a tangential question. It is widely perceived that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is currently at the lowest point in his trajectory as a politician. A sense of exasperation is growing with his government, which seems to exist for no greater logic than that politics is about power. His trusted mandarins are keenly looking for ways to put a feather on the boss's cap. A last-minute decision by Manmohan to attend the United Nations General Assembly session in New York next week is seen as an exercise in "image-building".

However, he is yet to get an okay from US President Barack Obama for a "one-on-one". The Americans apparently plead "scheduling difficulty", which is often a diplomatic metaphor for disinterest. Would the fables streaming in from the South China Sea in the past 48 hours incentivize a last-minute change of heart in the White House?

India is looking for a fight and India will get one soon !
 
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You people very well know that the Pakistani government is corrupt to the bone, hence they will become enslaved to anyone offering the highest price.
One the other hand, the Pakistani public absolutely despises the "man" and wants to kick them out of their country.

You people (the indians) are enslaved and support the "man" on a government and public level as proven over and over again on PDF

How silly, since independence our people have not gone out of the country to die for the ''man'' as you put it, or any other ''man'' - arabi included like their true slaves on sale for money and shiney toys. our masters don't descend every year with their royal entourage to hunt for our protected wildlife that our common people can not hunt.

Since independence the ''man'' or any other have not had a free hand to run amock in my country. The ''man'' even sent out his seventh fleet against us, because we are ''enslaved''! We have made our policies in delhi, not in riyadh, DC or beijing. So better stop these silly rants and comment on topic.

Talking of the topic, china must first stop their own projects in Pakistan administered kashmir in line with the principle they claim for this case. They should remember nobody likes a bully, except the bully's minions.
 
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They should remember nobody likes a bully, except the bully's minions.

You like uncle sam, don't you? Is there a greater bully than uncle sam? Do you remember who said, "Either you're with us or against us"?
 
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