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If all that BS you wrote were a factor then China would not be a member now. It would have been trying hard like India. All that matters is proper diplomacy and consent of all. If everyone agrees even Switzerland can become a permanent member with some justifications or other.@To Mr. Baloch,
The point of UN Security Council is to have a representative capable of handling the world situations. Just as shepherds guide and control a flock of sheep, the UNSC does the same. Now while sheep might be getting the attention, naturally shepherd is likely to exercise some luxury for himself as well isn't it?
Now if every other sheep gives damn to the shepherd(s), the flock would be in chaos.
@ To all the Indian members in this thread,
India has a long way to go before it is capable of handling a permanent security seat.
You are 12th largest economy while all other powers are within the first 7-8. You have a large population under poverty limitations in proportion to the closest member of yours: China. You have just entered industrialization era and are classified as a newly-Industrialized country from your former category of developing country while your supposed Asian rival has powered really far ahead as compared to you ranked number three in the world, followed by other members of 'Big 5'.
Your military might be huge in size and professional (I don't know much about Indian military except from what is known about your anti-militant operations) but still it doesn't have executive powers to take decision except when in combat operations, unlike the Russian, Chinese and American Chiefs of Joint Staff. You need to do something about corruption which is really high in your country. Your government social services system is really poor and below the standards of anything the Big 5 can provide (including China which boasts of a much more organized and extremely fast paced government level work).
I am here just to give my opinion that New Delhi has a long way to go before it can consider applying for a seat. This is my humble opinion and is without any intentions to troll. Please take this as constructive criticism as I am pointing out what I have observed from my official visits and researched about your country.
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You have just entered industrialization era and are classified as a newly-Industrialized country from your former category of developing country ...
Then most sub-Sahara African nations such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Zambia must all be classified as a Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs), paticualrly Pepublic of Congo which is further ahead.:lol
It is because they are all ahead of India in GDP per cap ranking which is the implied key parameter for NICs statue.
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can you give me a single link to prove this statement????? or are you another one of those wise guys who has a phd in trolling ??????
if you doa little bit of research then you will find that china gdp per capita ranking is 102.. and india is 134 ... that aint a lot of diffrence ...considering the fact that we got independeance 65 years ago....
Then most sub-Sahara Africa nations such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Zambia must all be classified as a Newly Industrialized Countries (NICs) then, paticualrly Pepublic of Congoand Sudan which are further ahead, because they are all ahead of India in GDP per cap ranking which is the implied key parameter for NIC statue.
Other generally recognised criteria for NICs are:
Increased social freedoms and civil rights.
Strong political leaders.
A switch from agricultural to industrial economies, especially in the manufacturing sector.
An increasingly open-market economy, allowing free trade with other nations in the world.
Large national corporations operating in several continents.
Strong capital investment from foreign countries.
Political leadership in their area of influence.
Lowered poverty rates.
Does India mett ANY of those pre-conditions?
However, the rest of this post was quite reasonable.
no. large population under poverty is only india. we don't have starvation here. we moved beyond living for food in china 30 years ago. india should take care of itself before worrying about security council.
GDP per capita of China is low When compared to the above mentioned nations aswell..
India is a sovereign ,Democratic Country
Manmohan singh,Any one falling Under him is made straight and strong by him, such is his talent
his is not even a clause to become an Industrialized nation, but since u asked, I say yes.... but India dosent want to move from agrarian culture and India has Issued very low tax schemes for those employed relating to Agriculture
Indian market is an open market, But if you are keeping in mind the latest ban on chinese products, Open markets does not always mean Open the doors for what ever is being dumped, But Have a systematic trade, which India has
lol.... TATA, Reliance,Mahindra and Mahindra,And Many More
Foreign direct Investment, Why is that so Much needful To make a Country an Industrialized nation,. we have A good inflow of FDI.
India is Lowering its poverty rates
I specificly said that China is not industrialised either. Further, China is far more ahead of those countries. Use your brain for once, China's currency is deliberately undervalued by about 40% according to some concensus - that's what currency issue with the US is all about.
Hence China's real GDP per cap should be about 40% more than the current level , putting her roughly in the same catagory of some Eastern European countries such as Bulgaria, Serbia, etc, on average, noting that metropolitan cities in China is far more advanced than that of Bulgaria, Serbia. It's intuitively and realistically correct.
and? the largest "democracy" in the world crap again? Maoist rebel can fully justify "increase social right and freedom", eh?
also is Mugabe of Zimbabuwi, and more.
And?
Industrilised= strong and competent manutactoring sector, not service (call centres or others).
A ban is a ban, no darn excuses! It is not a single incident, but a ban in general, in multiple standard industries. No industralised countries outright BAN foreign products in general as India does simplely because its domestic industries/companies can not compete - a verification of being a developing country, not industrialised one.
It depends. Most countries have some kind of "large"corps on several continents. Most African nations do also.
Comprohensively a wide range of high-tech companies are properly implied under this context, not "information" companies, no low tech corps such as cenment/ steel producing, bike asemblely, garbage shipment, waste recycle, etc. India's IT corps count, but with very limited scope and tech IP rights.
Vietnam has good FDI too! It's the quality and orientation of the FDI that implies. A big chuck of india's FDI is not aiming at long -term investments in industries, but a short-term capital inflow, global hot money chasing some one-night gain in stock market of mumbai alike.
e.g. If one country had 100% poverty rate yesterday, today it has 95%. It also has lowered poverty rates, and still lowering it to maybe 90% tomorrow.... what's your point?
Again, Newly-Industrialised Countries mean a hell lot more than some above general guidlines. The last wave of NICs from Asia was "4 little dragons": Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and S Korea. They are the newst NICs. When India reached that level ?
The rule of thumb is GDP per cap, as I said previously. If a country has GDP per cap lower than say $ 10,000 (nominal level) as a rough watermark, no sh!t about NIC statue. WIKI's NICs nominations are a joke!
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@Speeder 2: China wasn't a developed nation(neither she is today, though growing at a good pace indeed) when it attained security counsel seat. UN security counsel members are victors of 2nd world war, being developed country wasn't prerequisite or a criteria. Security Counsel needs major reform if UN aspires some credibility.