China wants to push polluting 'sunset' industries to India

[he-man]

I was not talking about you dying of hunger.

Yeah, it's one of the first sight one gets in India leaving the airport.

Cannot disagree.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The biggest disadvantage that India lacks in building manufacturing is a dictatorial government that can make a joke of labor laws in China. Sadly that disadvantage is likely to not disappear and since polluting industires will be more accountable said 'sunset' Industries aren't coming this way. The CCP can herd their workers to continue doing them for the foreseeable future.

Do you know anything about the Chinese Labour Law? It was formulated with a lot of consultation with German lawmakers. In fact, when talking to German labour law experts, they say that the newer Chinese Labour Law is more up to date and gives the workers even more rights than the one we have formulated decades ago.

 

[mike2000]

I haven't read your post completely, But I can say one thing. Live in your delusions and illusions. I hate it when a chinese say we are advanced and are 3 to 4 decades ahead, the next thought I get is let these guys live in their delusions !!

Even to assert superiority over others one needs lot of qualities and achievements, China cannot/will not come in this category. CCP is seen as the oppressive regime and has few friends all over the world, soft power wise china cannot do what India can do. Add to that the rhetorics and fights with neighbours.

All in all China is an over grown beast with greed, Not a power which can change/influence Asia or can make an impact on the Globe.

On the other hand India has all the ingredients to make an impact on neighbours positively , and is poised to make a major impact globally in the coming decades.

India is forming JV's with High tech industries overseas, it is not like we are copying and so we have to start from scratch, when you form JV's the technology can be absorbed in not time. At the same Time India has booming Pharma, IT and Biotechnology are major strengths.

Manufacturing is a low good like what chinese did is not a big deal, Infrastructure wise India is lacking, But states are concentrating more in this sector. India will spend more than 1000 Billion only on infrastructure.

But India is not in hurry like CCP, we do it our way , a more sustainable way and eco friendly way.

China is a bad model to imitate, for a big country like India, the model that CCP followed is even not fit for China !!

It's not really a model China invented Bros. It's a model other east Asian countries like Japan, south Korea, Taiwan followed before China. China itself just learned from these countries. The only difference is that China is way way bigger than these countries in size/scale. So it has much more impact on the world than the later Asian countries who pioneered this model. Same with India who is a big country similar in size/scale with China, so if India followed such a model then it too will have a similar impact on the world economy as China. Though I understand why you made such remarks, since its indeed true some Chinese members here tend to be very boastful/arrogant in their comments. But we all have to understand them, since with power/wealth comes arrogance. That's true for individuals as it is for countries as well.lool
Son we have to put things into perspective.

 

[INDIC]

Don't be an elitist,,millions sleep hungry everyday here

Have you heard of the thing called 'cancer villages' in China, you don't know what kind of pollution they are having in China and ultimately the same poor people will die of it.

 

[Echo_419]

My GOD, are you dreaming or being sarcastic bro? My good friend He-man, has rightly pointed out that you have to start from somewhere. So you think India can just start manufacturing 'High tech industries' from Zero? lol Good luck with that bros.

India doesnt even have an ecosystem to manufacture even basic low-grade products it consumes, much less high tech ones. It will take at least 3-4 decades for India to even get close to Chinas current manufacturing industry/capabilities to be honest, and thats if India starts now and fast. Judging by some mentalities here, i think it will take even more longer. There are things you just cant skip/avoid bro. You have to follow a process to get to high tech manufacturing. Even China with all its years/experience in manufacturing is still just now forming its own high tech Champions/having a mature high tech industry(though it still has a long way to go for them to be truly global like their American counterpart), and you think India can just come from nowhere and start producing such high tech giants/industries? lol

Manufacturing is very very important for a developing country to prosper and be self reliant in most of its needs with time as its industries mature. If things goes on as they have been going for sometime now, then im afraid in a decade or two from now, China will be like the U.S and India Mexico. So India needs to get its acts together and fast. Else it will beleft behind even much more than it is already. Afterall, most industries/companies who are moving out of China are not even going to the obvious destination i.e India, but they are instead moving into Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and other south east Asian countries. When companies choose smaller countries like these countries then India should know it indeed has a problem, if it doesnt, then im afraid i dont see anything that will make you people see you have a problem and need major reforms and fast.

As for your other Indian brother who said China is left with Pollution and CCP. If i want to honest(like im always.), i will have to dissapoint you. I have visited both China and India. Honestly bro, China is way way way ahead of India in all aspects/fields development/standard of living wise. The average Person there lives a far better life than the average Indian. In fact there's no comparism at all. Well its not just India though. South Asia is at least 3-4 decades behind(and im being optimistic here) east Asia development/living standards. its like two different continents to be honest.So if anything you shouldnt be making fun of them, since you needs decades of very fast growth/planning/implementation to get where they are today. Though i also understand why he reacted that way/made that comment, since some Chinese members here themselves like indulging in trolling/making agressive comments, instead of focusing on topic at hand, and making a point respectfully. However we should avoid in making similar comments which we know arent true. Anyway hope Indias new government will change India for the best. Since judging by comments on here, he seems to be a reformist/man for development/business. Good luck to India on this.

Agreed we have a shitty manufacturing base,but at the same time we cannot blindly follow this Chinese Industrialization route it will put to much strain on our environment
We must frame a policy which develops our Manufacturing base without damaging our environment to much

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Do you know anything about the Chinese Labour Law? It was formulated with a lot of consultation with German lawmakers. In fact, when talking to German labour law experts, they say that the newer Chinese Labour Law is more up to date and gives the workers even more rights than the one we have formulated decades ago.

You're a clown

 

[Guynextdoor2]

It's not really a model China invented Bros. It's a model other east Asian countries like Japan, south Korea, Taiwan followed before China. China itself just learned from these countries. The only difference is that China is way way bigger than these countries in size/scale. So it has much more impact on the world than the later Asian countries who pioneered this model. Same with India who is a big country similar in size/scale with China, so if India followed such a model then it too will have a similar impact on the world economy as China. Though I understand why you made such remarks, since its indeed true some Chinese members here tend to be very boastful/arrogant in their comments. But we all have to understand them, since with power/wealth comes arrogance. That's true for individuals as it is for countries as well.lool
Son we have to put things into perspective.

India won't have the same impact as china. Issues around scaling up and down is very critical. As are issues around labor laws. In Manufacturing labor demand is even more elastic than in IT- no matter how much we try there is no sitation where we will be the 'sweatshop of the world' and not see arge scale indusrial unrest over time. I might argue that since it'll be fertile ground for politics (left targeting 'capitalists') anyway that idea is pretty much on lower threshold here.

 

[Echo_419]

Do you know anything about the Chinese Labour Law? It was formulated with a lot of consultation with German lawmakers. In fact, when talking to German labour law experts, they say that the newer Chinese Labour Law is more up to date and gives the workers even more rights than the one we have formulated decades ago.

Yes becuz now they can dictate the terms & Guy was right the biggest thing we lack is a govt like CCP which can push through Reforms easily
The current Govt is also doing it very fast but not the speed at which CCP could do it

 

[rcrmj]

The biggest disadvantage that India lacks in building manufacturing is a dictatorial government that can make a joke of labor laws in China. Sadly that disadvantage is likely to not disappear and since polluting industires will be more accountable said 'sunset' Industries aren't coming this way. The CCP can herd their workers to continue doing them for the foreseeable future.

only if the world is that simple and naive as you said````btw at least CCP is taking care of the country and people, unlike the world last feudal government India has, I saw more walking zombies than human Indian in India

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Yes becuz now they can dictate the terms & Guy was right the biggest thing we lack is a govt like CCP which can push through Reforms easily
The current Govt is also doing it very fast but not the speed at which CCP could do it

You can only dictate terms from a position of strength and strength comes from financial and job security. These securities can only be realised when the industrialisation enters a mature stage where the demand for workers is bigger than the availability of workers.

 

[Echo_419]

You can only dictate terms from a position of strength and strength comes from financial and job security. These securities can only be realised when the industrialisation enters a mature stage where the demand for workers is bigger than the availability of workers.

Yes & that's why they can dictate it

 

[Guynextdoor2]

only if the world is that simple and naive as you said````btw at least CCP is taking care of the country and people, unlike the world last feudal government India has, I saw more walking zombies than human Indian in India

shooo

 

[mike2000]

only if the world is that simple and naive as you said````btw at least CCP is taking care of the country and people, unlike the world last feudal government India has, I saw more walking zombies than human Indian in India

Just because China has been growing relatively wealthy these past years/decade, you now start labeling other poorer countries citizens as walking zombies? Jeez....I have seen it all on this site, but have yet to see someone fall sooooo low making such comments. I think MODs here needs to start doing their job.
You have to remember China was in a similar situation not long ago as well. So we should have been labeling you people as walking poor zombies/subhumans as well then I suppose? The hell, even today you still havehave a far lower GDP capital/living standards than we in the west, so by this measure we can also label you as subhumans/walking zombies than human beings. So better mind your words man, since it can also apply to you and your country as well. Though I know with wealth /power comes arrogance/resentment as I said earlier, especially when you are a nouveau rich as they say in French. I.e new rich.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Yes becuz now they can dictate the terms & Guy was right the biggest thing we lack is a govt like CCP which can push through Reforms easily
The current Govt is also doing it very fast but not the speed at which CCP could do it

I'm not very sure we need to go down that route man. We will have a somewhat inefficient manufacturing export base, but as long as it is 'large enough', I guess it's ok. Going down the china route isn't an 'absolute good' either.

 

[Mitro]

Lakhs are dying of hunger because of mismanagement not because we don't have food .
After independence india did not spend in warehouses and most of food get spoil .india should not bring industries which is going to destroy the environment and water sources.
There are more countries ready to bring good industry but government has to bring good law and that protect the industries and the worker .

Couldn't agree with you more,bro.Lakhs are dying from hunger and people here are still after these issues.