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I have a question, for how long has Gwadar been operational? and how much has it benefited Pakistan's economy?

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Pakistan inaugurated its third deep sea port in Gwadar in March 2005. It became operational in March 2008 when first the ship carrying 52000 tonnes of wheat from Canada berthed here. In my opinion a great news of development for Pakistan, especially as a project whose foundation stone was laid just three years ago on March 22, 2002 and its first phase got finished on time in March 2005. Phase I includes building of three multipurpose berths. Gwadar port operations are run by the Port of Singapore Authority (PSA) under a 40-year agreement.

So far so good. But what are the strategic and political implications of this project. A quick search on internet will reveal a plethora of conspiracy theories. Some even call it a useless port for Pakistan. Others call it a part of new Great Game being played across the Balochistan province of Pakistan. So what is it?

In my opinion this is a brilliantly planned project and a great strategic move by Pakistan. With Pakistan Motorway Project connecting Gwadar to Peshawar via Punjab, a World Class Coastal Highway (N10) connecting Gwadar to Karachi, it may very well become the trade hub for this century. But while Pakistan has played its best move, other regional and global powers are also not sitting silent and they are making their own moves making Gwadar port a project with multi-dimensonal consequences.

Dimension One: Pakistan’s Strategic Interests

(1) Gwadar is located only 180 nautical miles from the Strait of Hormuz through which 40% of World’s Oil passes. Gwadar could thus emerge as the key shipping hub in the area providing mass trade to central asian republics as well as across Pakistan and China. A road from Gwadar to Saindak is completed. Saindak is already connected to the RCD Highway (N35) and through Quetta-Chaman it provides the shortest route for trade with Central Asian Republics.

(2) Pakistan also needed a deep sea port away from Karachi so that in times of hostilities Pakistan Navy doesn’t get blockaded. With all the navy ships concentrated at Karachi port, a blockade of Pakistan had been quite easy in the past. With Jinnah Naval Base at Ormara and Gwadar port, PN should be able to spread out its assets. For reference, Gwadar port is 450 km further away from Indian Border than Karachi Port.

(3) Gwadar port will directly and indirectly bring lots of wealth, trade and infrastructure advancement to the area which has been traditionally left behind in developement. Compare it to how Karachi port transformed a once sleepy fishing village to a megapolis.

This is all good news for Pakistan.



The photo above is courtesy of Zahid Shahid at flickr.com

Dimension Two: Chinese Interests in Reaching Blue Waters

(1) It is also widely claimed that there is a Chinese interest in reaching the blue waters of Arabian Sea. This is cited as a strategic move by Chinese as they funded US $198 million (out of total phase I cost of US $248 million) and also provided 450 Engineers on site to finish the project on time. It is said that China is trying to develop its Western regions at par with its Eastern regions to reduce the economic gap within China and to stop the internal migration of people from West to East. It is famously called their ‘Go West’ policy. To market products produced in Western China, ports of Shanghai or other eastern ports are almost 3000 km away from the western production centers where as Gwadar provides access to a port at just 1500 km.

(2) There is another dimension to this project where Gwadar port is considered as the naval outpost for the Chinese. It has been called part of ‘String of Pearls’ strategy of Chinese where they’ve got hold of strategic ports in Gwadar, Bangladesh, SriLanka, Burma, Thailand, Combodia, and South China Sea etc. On a world map, these ports form of string (of pearls) which may form as Chinese line of defense to control oil movement. 80% of oil used in China goes through shipping lines of Malacca Straits. This strategy of a series of ports along the oil shipment routes gives China a forward footing. It is said that China is also wary that US may cut off its oil supplies through Malacca straits in case of any increase of hostilities on Taiwan issue.

(3) China has however, always denied that Gwadar will ever be used by Chinese military. Publicly they have always called it a civilian port of Pakistan.

Dimension Three: Iranian and Indian Interests in the Area

(1) Gwadar port is also making regional players nervous. Iran which is only 72 km away from Gwadar considers it as an economic threat taking business away from Iranian ports. So in competition to Gwadar, Iran has developed its own port called Chabahar with the help of India. Chabahar is located in Iranian Balochistan province of Seestan. India is also building 213 km long road to connect this Iranian port with Afghanistan. India is eyeing this Iranian port as its own shortest route to Central Asian markets and may be a counter balance to Chinese influence in Gwadar.

(2) India may also consider the Chinese influence in Gwadar as a move by China to encircle India, hence their interest in developing Iranian port of Chabahar.

Dimension Four: Baloch Nationalist Interests

(1) Now if you thought that was all, don’t forget the nationalist angle to Gwadar port. Baluchi people in whose province this port has been developed are not 100% behind the project. Their apprehensions are that other provinces will reap the real economic benefits of this development. There is also a resentment against the labor for the port coming from other provinces as well as the real estate boom that Gwadar is seeing is going to people from outside Balochistan. This has resulted in some violence in the area including some attacks even targeted against the Chinese engineers.

The attacks against the Chinese also gives rise to the speculation that our friendly neighbors may be inciting Balochi nationalism for their own economic agenda but there has to be some truth that Baluchis deserve more share in their province’s resources.

Reference: Gwadar Port: A Great Development Project Or A Great Game? : ALL THINGS PAKISTAN
 
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SilentNinja please go to this thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/1232-gwadar-jewel-crown.html
very informative thread..Pakistani govt has blundered including previous govt they should have invested more as soon as Gawadar port is fully operational with complete A to Z developed from that time on we'll see its true potential so far i do not have any figures or any other information i believe internet might help us find information i think i've to look for it myself too.
 
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I think arrival of Chinese would be a better move than forming a Khilafat.

I know many Indian friends may disagree, but this will be the most positive move for Pakistan, post 9-11 period.
 
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no, its a sign of weakness. Im not saying this bcoz Im an Indian. See, would US,UK,France, Russia, India or China would ever allow a millitary base in its own soil? heck....do u think China would ever allow a Pakistani millitary base in its soil in the easter border of India?? think about it!




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So what about Turkey? They have a very powerful and formidable army, navy, and air force and there's a American base in Turkey? Does that mean Turkey is weak? I'd say Turkey can kick india's butt any day!

In fact this has helped Turkey by allowing to access to high tech American military hardware and this has made Turkey a regional power and a key player in world politics!

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When the Americans were looking for transit routes into Afghanistan, India although no where in the vicinity was bending over back wards to offer all facilities at it's disposal which the US declined with a smile.
One can only guess as to what depths India will descend to if China stationed a base in Pakistan.:cheesy:
 
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When the Americans were looking for transit routes into Afghanistan, India although no where in the vicinity was bending over back wards to offer all facilities at it's disposal which the US declined with a smile.

Do you see anything wrong with it??? The aim with which they came to AF was going to help us...


One can only guess as to what depths India will descend to if China stationed a base in Pakistan.:cheesy:

Yes...it would be the same reaction that Pakistan would give if India choose to have a military base in AF...Don't you think so??
 
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Military Cooperation is okay, but allowing another country a military base in your country to provide security is pathetic.

Its for small and weak nations, Pakistan is neither a small country nor weak.
 
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It is not that simple man!
India dealing with Russia and West.Did Russia cut ties with you guys?No.

Sir with all due respect there is a difference between ties vs letting someone have a military base in your country...

Enemies and allies in that world are not decided upon the side you take before the war. Had it been a war, than yes you are right but for now it will "piss" the U.S. but it will not make them enemy.
May be you are right...But think about the message that will go out...I am not saying that they will become your enemy but they will also not remain an ally(in other words relations with deteriorate)...


P.S : All we are talking about is a hypothetical situation...As said before if there is any truth in the article then it is the people of Pakistan who has to decide what is good for them...As far as i am concerned i don't see any benefits that Pakistan can't exctract from China even now...
 
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Military Cooperation is okay, but allowing another country a military base in your country to provide security is pathetic.

Its for small and weak nations, Pakistan is neither a small country nor weak.

i don't like repeating myself, but since your ignorant and didn't read my previous post, i'll repeat:

So what about Turkey? They have a very powerful and formidable army, navy, and air force and there's a American base in Turkey? Does that mean Turkey is weak? I'd say Turkey can kick india's butt any day!

In fact this has helped Turkey by allowing to access to high tech American military hardware and this has made Turkey a regional power and a key player in world politics!

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