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China wants Bangladesh by its side against the US-India coalition

I am not assuming anything. I just want us to be prepared for everything. In this world no one is neutral in a true sense. Its same for Bangladesh.

I want alliance with China as a counter of QAUD. However everytime I said that, if ( in future) we have no other option but to choose a side, my vote is for China, that's all. It's last resort though.
Situation 1) In a China-India war BD does not have to take sides. Under this policy, BD should declare not to allow IA or PLA military logistics and provisions to pass through BD. BD is neutral.

Situation 2) If IA troops invade and go through BD by force, BA should repulse it by itself, by its military and civilian fighters. In that case, weapons will not be in short. China will supply them via BoB or Shiliguri Chicken neck.
 
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Situation 1) In a China-India war BD does not have to take sides. Under this policy, BD should declare not to allow IA or PLA military logistics and provisions to pass through BD. BD is neutral.

Situation 2) If IA troops invade and go through BD by force, BA should repulse it by itself, by its military and civilian fighters. In that case, weapons will not be in short. China will supply them via BoB or Shiliguri Chicken neck.

Yes good point, I understand and agree if it's possible. An unwritten alliance with China can be a safeguard for us if we don't let west ( India) use our land.

You can expect a BD-China unwritten alliance and not an open alliance like QUAD.
Situation 2) If IA troops invade and go through BD by force, BA should repulse it by itself, by its military and civilian fighters. In that case, weapons will not be in short. China will supply them via BoB or Shiliguri Chicken neck.
Very good point , make complete sense now as a result of such unwritten alliance. Thank you.
 
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China will not send it's army to fight Bangladesh's war with India, given China's self-centric foreign policy, we can not also expect China's diplomatic and military support in the time of military conflict. We are pretty much on our own during conflict times. So, becoming China's client state do not benefit us in anyway. We can get all the benefits China willing to offer just by maintaining economic and military co-operation as we are doing now. But becoming China's client state will exaggerbate our chance of conflict with India like a self-fullfilling prophesy. In such a case, we will lost sympathy of the West and much of the East. Plus chinese model of authoritarianism also does not suit us. Look at Myanmar, North Korea or Pakistan, do we want to become like them?
1 ,China like all countries is self-centred. This is the right mentality for a country.

2,China would send troops abroad as the situation dictated; North Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and Cambodia in the 1980s China sent troops .

3,China's neighbourhood diplomacy is a top priority for China's diplomacy and if an external power or hostile country wants to change the form of China's neighbours through military means, China will respond accordingly. An example: when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, China was very weak but provided what military assistance it could . Based on China's current national strength, it is quite possible for China to send troops abroad .

4.China does not need client state ,Nowadays alliance relationship was outdated , which has exclusive, hostile attributes. The relationship between Bangladesh and China is based on the common interest of balancing India. This necessarily makes the relationship between the two countries stronger than that with ordinary countries.

5,The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , Such assistance from China was bound to happen as a result of geopolitics.

6,The closer the relationship between Bangladesh and China, the more mutual benefits will accrue to both sides. There is a give and take, and the US allies are the ones who give up a lot of sovereignty to the US in order to gain US support, and the same US will give a lot of benefits to its allies accordingly. We cannot see Europe, Japan and South Korea receiving all kinds of benefits without seeing the price they pay for their sovereignty .
Don't expect one party to give unilaterally; if only one party gives unilaterally, the relationship won't last. A balance of giving and giving back is what will last. The more you give, the more you will receive.

7,China is now not in alliance with any country, including with Russia and Pakistan, and this relationship is beneficial to both sides. The same goes for relations with Bangladesh, maintaining a cooperative relationship but with no alliances to the benefit of both sides.

8,China is not an authoritarian state, which is the label given by the West to China.If you really want to know about China, don't get it from the media in the West, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, India and other countries. Unfortunately, the media of this world is dominated by the West. So, if you want to know about China, it is better to go to China yourself.
You can also see China through some of the Walking China videos.
For example, this channel


9,I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.

10,As for the future of the world, I believe that the West is already mentally and physically senile. With or without China, with or without a challenger, the West is bound to fall, just as China did 200 years ago, and this is the law of physics.
It is impossible for an old man to stay alive and youthful, no matter how much power and money he has .
The advantage of developing countries is that they are willing to learn from other countries. A country that is ahead for too long loses the willingness to learn from others, and arrogance is an outward expression of this mentality. Developing countries are young in spirit, willing to learn and to learn from others.
 
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5,The conflict between India and Bangladesh will see huge amounts of military and logistical assistance from China, if not troops , and this amount of aid will be staggering.




9,I am concerned about Bangladesh because Bangladesh and China are bound to come together for geopolitical reasons. Anyone who can read a map can understand this, and whether we like it or not, it is a necessity for the two countries to come closer.


Thank you for that detailed post.

Both BD and China have a common geopolitical interest and that is to keep India at bay. China, just one less enemy to worry about and BD needs a reliable supplier of good military tech and also hopefully a wartime supplier in the admittedly remote possibility of conflict of that one huge neighbour that can threaten its sovereignty.

While I do not think that even if China offered BD would accept direct Chinese military assistance of any kind, it does have the problem of how to get Chinese military supplies to BD.

The naval route will be difficult as India will try to blockade the Bay of Bengal and so that leaves the land and air route through Myanmar, which India will find much harder to block, unless it violates Myanmar sovereignty.

If China can put pressure on Myanmar to allow land and air supplies through Myanmar, then that will suffice for BD.

What nearly everyone here fails to understand is that buying weapons from the West and Turkey is all very well and good, but how do you get supplies in the case of war. West is sure to take India's side and Turkey will take BD's but will not have the capability to deliver anything to BD against Indian blockade. If China wants it can deliver anything to BD during war with India.

I am sure that BD and China have an understanding of what they expect from each other. China will get a friendly BD that will not join any anti-Chinese alliance with West/Japan/India and in return BD will get a reliable supplier of most non-nuclear weapons(except very latest fighters/destroyers/ICBMs etc).

Remember a stronger BD, means a weaker India and stronger China. Both BD and China have a common interest in keeping India in check.
 
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it looks like Bd learnt chanakiya strategy from its 'bondhu'
What you guys are saying here will be disappointing for the Bhakts and their dalals in our subforum. :-)
Rashtrio vabe kisudin por mair shuru hole eder ki obostha hobe? Specially chetona der? BNP naki razakar, zodi BAL o ekoi line dhore taile ze chetona etim hoye zabe re vai. Awami League er nam ki era tokhon chhagu league (ছাগু লীগ) debe? :omghaha:
 
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@Bilal9 bhai , IMHO we don't need to rely on India even for import through land border.

Myanmar can be our land border for China. And besides we have to make it habit to completely become a sea fareing nation.

So I don't think price will dramatically increase. But if we decide not to import from India anything, then yes at first we will be in some trouble ,but after mass sea import , we will overcome it.

So Bangladesh have nothing to lose.

And now about defense. India is surrounding us , it's a boon instead of bane if you have strong defense forces and stronger and faithful ally like China.

We can act as hedge and can completely block the bay of bengal if Chinise block decide to wring chicken neck.

We will play hugely important role, as without blocking the sea, China can't wring the chicken neck and hold NE.

So yes we will play an important role in Chinese block, even more than Pakistan. As there is no chicken neck in western side to weaken western block ( read India).

And about our people? Other than online group, you won't find many pro India people other than few chetona.

Even most of BAL supporters aren't friendly to India.

You will block the bay of bengal and Indian Navy will be busy in masturbating. Pakistani Navy is way behnd us that they cannot pick up a fight with us when it comes to Navy but your Navy (don't know where does it stand will block bay of bengal.Not to forget US and entire West will be backing India against China.
 
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You will block the bay of bengal and Indian Navy will be busy in masturbating.
Listen , not blocking the entire bay of Bengal, but just our part. You can't use the land of Myanmar to send logistics to NE. If Bangladesh will also not let you use it's land, you will lose NE . Other than using Bangladeshi land ,you can use the whole bay of Bengal, I have no problem.
Not to forget US and entire West will be backing India against China.
It's delusion , even I didn't think that entire west will be backing India. Your imagination is even greater than mine!

At best you can say that,if the western navy will come against China, your navy will serve as front liner to get destroyed, as USA won't want to face Chinese navy ( future ) to get screwed.

As at past pike borkondaz type low class foot soldier were set in front to counter the charge of cavalry ,while elites were waiting behind, same thing will happen.

India will be used as pike or this type of low class foot soldier to Chinese navy attack,while western elites will be waiting.
 
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Listen , not blocking the entire bat of Bengal, but just our part. You can't use the land of Myanmar to send logistics to NE. If Bangladesh will also not let you use it's land . Other than using Bangladeshi land ,you can use the whole bay of Bengal, I have no problem.

It's delusion , even I didn't think that entire west will be backing India. Your imagination is even greater than mine!

At best you can say that,if the western navy will come against China, your navy will serve as front liner to get destroyed, as USA won't want to face Chinese navy ( future ) to get screwed.

As at past pike borkondaz type soldiers were set in front to counter the charge of cavalry ,while elites were waiting behind, same thing will happen.

India will be used as pike soldier to counter cavalry aka Chinese navy attack,while western elites will be waiting.

US won't do jack. It will let things play out - just like they let the Saudi and houthi/Iranian proxy thing play out.

US have much, much bigger fish to fry and don't commit boots on the ground so easily.
 
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US won't do jack. It will let things play out - just like they let the Saudi and houthi/Iranian proxy thing play out.

US have much, much bigger fish to fry and don't commit boots on the ground so easily.
Also one more thing bhai, I think USA is becoming old horse day by day , and it can't counter stallion like China in future.

So if supa pow want to cross limit, they will have khanda khada bharat instead of Akhanda bharat. :lol:
 
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Also one more thing bhai, I think USA is becoming old horse day by day , and it can't counter stallion like China in future.

So if supa pow want to cross limit, they will have khanda khada bharat instead of Akhanda bharat. :lol:
Such dreams wow :lol: you think a nuclear nation will just sit by right? We have a nuclear triad mate, our slbms can be anywhere be it bay of Bengal or south China sea, silently waiting for instructions, no one's gonna do sh*t
 
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Such dreams wow :lol: you think a nuclear nation will just sit by right? We have a nuclear triad mate, our slbms can be anywhere be it bay of Bengal or south China sea, silently waiting for instructions, no one's gonna do sh*t
No dada , you won't use NUKE. Soviet didn't use NUKE too. What's the difference between bharat and soviet union dada?

I was answering your wise compatriot only, but is it possible that USA and West will arrange military against China to back up India? No right?

At best they can provide you backup through intelligence agency.

So no one will use NUKE and if Indian union will try to move military personnel through Bangladesh, will it remain united? Do you really have such power that you wi use our land by force?
 
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Also one more thing bhai, I think USA is becoming old horse day by day , and it can't counter stallion like China in future.

So if supa pow want to cross limit, they will have khanda khada bharat instead of Akhanda bharat. :lol:

Yeah Akhand Bharat remains a dream, even for the future. Too many ethnicities and too diverse a population with different viewpoints and outlooks. A conflict with a neighbor like Bangladesh will only exacerbate and hasten those lines of schism, albeit just for crisis of resources.
 
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No dada , you won't use NUKE. Soviet didn't use NUKE too. What's the difference between bharat and soviet union dada?

I was answering your wise compatriot only, but is it possible that USA and West will arrange military against China to back up India? No right?

At best they can provide you backup through intelligence agency.

So no one will use NUKE and if Indian union will try to move military personnel through Bangladesh, will it remain united? Do you really have such power that you wi use our land by force?
Exactly my point soviets didn't use nuke and didn't fight in their territory, just proxy wars in far off lands. No one's going through your territory cause there will be no major war with India on our land, with our nuclear triad active we have ensured MAD with China and eventually with every other world power it will be achieved but currently we are China focused, yes we have a no first strike policy but let's be real if push comes to shove we will resort to the option, the major powers realize this hence keep confrontations to a minimum.
With more of our arihant class subs getting inducted and more k-4s inducted the balance will be maintained where no power will dare fight unless it is a 100% confident it can take out all of our nuclear assets at once, and with SSBNs in our inventory that is never gonna be the case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant-class_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-4_(missile)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarika_(missile)
 
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