China wants Bangladesh by its side against the US-India coalition

[VikingRaider]

Most Bangladeshi's here are suffering from what should.

Exactly. Also most of Bangladeshi here ( online platforms) don't live in reality.

Surprisingly lots of Bangladeshi are taking Indian side and defending their excuses of pandemic for breaking the deal.

My question was ,why do you even sign a deal that is beyond your capabilities?

On the other hand our 81 intellectuals are making an issue with Chinese for bashkhali killing.

I am surprised by such Jihadi mood (more than the wahabis) of some of our people when the case is China. On the other hand for India many are in very forgiving mood. Isn't it interesting?

@Jobless Jack

Exactly

you wont get the money unless you provide "certain services". Hence the " Alliance" That's what the OP was saying.

If you feel you can get it from elsewhere . By all means go. But you are in no position to dictate anything to the Chinese.

Most Bangladeshi's here are suffering from what should. Its more about what will. With the yuan becoming dominant. You are in no position to do a balancing act between the west and China. Its all in or nothing.

But yes . Ideally balance between west and China is best. But neither the west or the Chinese are interested in giving BD that option. And YOU are in no position to dictate terms to either party.

You think your GDP and development gives you power in negotiations ? Its all just numbers on a screen. Nukes are a credible threat which everyone is scared of. Your GDP and development is just numbers on screen. Fear is power. Numbers are just .. Numbers.

So yes.. they can be arrogant about it.

And I could not have said it better myself,whole heartedly agree with you entire message.

 

[mb444]

The chinese want BD to be neutral. But, in BD now you have a govt that is not neutral in its love and effection for india. So how can the chinese take your word that you will be neutral in a India china conflict. Why would the chinese help the indians by keeping one of their allies in power?

Please understand. Problem is the awami leagues shamless cheerleading for india in the past present. Everyone on international level knows Awami league is completely dependent on india for her survival . Can such a Govt be neutral in a india China conflict? No. Then how can you say that BD wants to be neutral? Its hilarious. No one will believe you

Dont get me wrong. The best way forward for BD is to maintain neutrality. But no one will believe your neutrality untill the awami league is removed.

So awami league has to go. Then BD can truely project her neutrality. Otherwise BD will not be able to remain neutral in this conflict and eventually find herself on one side or the other.

I fully agree that BAL needs to go.

But it was Mujib and subsequently hasina that has created and raised BD-China relationship to what it is.

Massive chinese participation in BD has been facilitated in the last 10 years and BD i think remains chinas 2nd biggest arms customer after pakistan.

I do not think it is as simple as all that. In a battle between 2 nuclear power BD would not support either.

BD balances between US, European and chinese interest in that order.... india is too poor to really matter and is simply the extention of US interest.

BD will seek to remain neutral.... in global politics india is not a player on its own.

As i have said it before if it really became an issue BD has to for the time being choose the US as our economy depends on it..... we merely sell about a $1b worth of goods to china and buy more than 10 times that from them. We can not bite the hand that feeds us.

 

[bluesky]

Dont get me wrong. The best way forward for BD is to maintain neutrality. But no one will believe your neutrality untill the awami league is removed.

It is not exactly what you are saying. It is rather BAL that can keep neutrality at least on paper. Other parties when in power may openly tilt towards China.

 

[bluesky]

But it was Mujib and subsequently hasina that has created and raised BD-China relationship to what it is.

Not exactly that Mujib and Hasina created a good relationship with China. Not talking about Pakistan time, it was President Ziaur Rahman who initiated and fostered the relationship with China. He sent a Military Attache to the BD Embassy in Peking to look after matters of military cooperation from China.

No doubt, India disliked this gesture, and Zia was killed in a conspiracy hatched by India that General Ershad implemented.

 

[mb444]

Not exactly that Mujib and Hasina created a good relationship with China. Not talking about Pakistan time, it was President Ziaur Rahman who initiated and fostered the relationship with China. He sent a Military Attache to the BD Embassy in Peking to look after matters of military cooperation from China.

No doubt, India disliked this gesture, and Zia was killed in a conspiracy hatched by India that General Ershad implemented it.

Very interesting.

 

[bluesky]

No

Everyone knows who is keeping BAL in power.

How can BD say she is neutral when her Govt is being funded by India to stay illegaly in power ? you cant. Chinese are not fools . The Chinese know who provides the bread for awami league. Can the awami league guarantee that BD territory will not be used in war by india against china. On paper yes, practically no. Why ? because it is india good will that is keeping Awami league in power. They have to do whatever India dictates ! Even if by some miracle, BD prevents Indian's from using BD territory. How will you convince the Chinese ? They Know who provides the bread for awami league.

That is precisely why BD will not be able to maintain the Sweet neutrality in the long run . Awami league has set the precedent to rely on foreign power ( India) to stay in power. their replacement will bend their knee to China , to stay in power. Just as Awami league has bend its knee to India to stay in power since 2009.

This is why I said BD will not be able to maintain its much needed neutrality in the long run.

I hope that BD can maintain its neutrality. Because look at the countries who backed the Soviet union. USSR lost and those countries are shithole today. If BD ends up backing the wrong horse.. well you can guess.

Without the blessing of a foreign power. No govt has ever survived or achieved power in BD nor will they in the future. Foreign powers are no longer interest in " Balance" .

So many jargons and no intelligent input as usual!!

Very interesting.

Hasina keeps on following the old policy of maintaining a good relationship with China, but is it because it creates a layaway for her to offset Indian backstabbing?

 

[Jobless Jack]

So many jargons and no intelligent input as usual!!

What I meant was that

- The Awami league has the reputation of doing what ever Delhi asks them to do in return to cling on to power. They are seen as the party in BD that serves Delhi's interest the most when it comes to BD. Irrespective of what they do off paper or on paper. Their reputation is that they are India's main man in Dhaka. So nothing no matter what Awami league does will change their reputation both at home or abroad.

Yes. You are correct. The anti Awami league faction in BD will just Jump openly on the China bandwagon. They will give the same service to China that Awami league gives to India---- to cling to power.

So for BD to maintain neutrality between China and the west---- A new party must come to power that is actually neutral. Not just in policy, but in reputation as well. As past reputation and history plays a lot as far as how much you will be trusted as a nation.

Knowing how politicians think in BD. I doubt BD will be able to maintain neutrality. BD politicians only think about how to remain in power. Not what is best for the country. They will offer up the country to China, much like how awami league is offering the country to India to remain in power. This move will mean that BD will become the enemy of India. So neutrality goes right out the window.

Pursuing Neutrality ( non aligned) policy between China and West is the best way forward for BD in my opinion. But because your politicians are stupid greedy and short sighted. You wont be able to achieve it.

 

[Bilal9]

Not exactly that Mujib and Hasina created a good relationship with China. Not talking about Pakistan time, it was President Ziaur Rahman who initiated and fostered the relationship with China. He sent a Military Attache to the BD Embassy in Peking to look after matters of military cooperation from China.

No doubt, India disliked this gesture, and Zia was killed in a conspiracy hatched by India that General Ershad implemented.

I was told that Zia was a far more efficient leader, politician and implementer in Bangladesh who did not tow Indian line, as being a former Pakistan Army commander he was instrumental in defending Lahore during 1965 with East Bengal Regiment under his command.

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Indians did not like the fact where Zia was headed (especially with the multilateral SAARC created under his leadership and various other development initiatives which would mean true independence from Indian whims) and decided on his assassination to keep Bangladesh permanently under their thumb.

 

[fallstuff]

The current foreign policy is the best possible one under the circumstances. China needs to be managed just as India is being managed under foreign policy.

China is looking after its own interest first as it projects power and further invests in BRI. . This sort of has to align with BD interest before taking any side. The undeniable fact is India is huge also all around BD while China and the West are not.

 

[Bilal9]

The undeniable fact is India is huge also all around BD while China and the West are not.

Exactly, no one is denying that.

All the more reason however to "manage" India.

Reduce dependence on their trade by reducing their influence on our ministers and the policies that help Indians make money in Bangladesh, by Indian exports to Bangladesh, Indian medical tourism and also including illegal employment by Indians in Bangladesh.

TAKE CARE OF THE FLOW OF MONEY TO INDIA (find other alternatives), the rest will follow naturally.

It's just that we cannot do it right now because of Hasina's cabinet.

Ousting Indian Dalals in Bangladesh (including Chetona gong) should be job number one.

@Atlas bhai this is getting a bit redundant but Bangladeshis are a hard bunch to explain to - who don't understand their own good.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

No doubt, India disliked this gesture, and Zia was killed in a conspiracy hatched by India that General Ershad implemented.

don't think Ershad was particularly liked by india , given his Warm relations with Zia ul Haque , Reagan China and his anti-Soviet stance. indian rebel groups found a safe haven in BD during his rule.
Zia believed in the neoliberal free-market capitalism (that we have today) as opposed to] the planned economy.

 

[bluesky]

don't think Ershad was particularly liked by india , given his Warm relations with Zia ul Haque , Reagan China and his anti-Soviet stance. indian rebel groups found a safe haven in BD during his rule.
Zia believed in the neoliberal free-market capitalism (that we have today) as opposed to] the planned economy.

It is true what you have said. But, you are talking of the events after Ershad masterminded the killing of President Ziaur Rahman. India nurtured/brainwashed Hasina in Delhi/Kolkata and asked her to join the BNP movement to oust Ershad.

Ershad was a substitute 3rd Party in the absence of a strong BAL. He was ousted when BAL/Hasina became strong.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

It is true what you have said. But, you are talking of the events after Ershad masterminded the killing of President Ziaur Rahman. India nurtured/brainwashed Hasina in Delhi/Kolkata and asked her to join the BNP movement to oust Ershad.

Ershad was a substitute 3rd Party in the absence of a strong BAL. He was ousted when BAL/Hasina became strong.

didn't he punish those involved with the zia asassination ? He changed the secular constitution of BD so that must have raised some eyebrows in New Delhi.

 

[Cherub786]

Bangladesh would be idiotic to side with China against the US and India.

 

[bluesky]

didn't he punish those involved with the zia asassination ? He changed the secular constitution of BD so that must have raised some eyebrows in New Delhi.

Not exactly. You have to understand Ershad was not open but he was the main conspirator. He hanged those who were outwardly involved without knowing Ershad was behind the killing of Zia.

I ask one simple question. Was General Manjur so stupid to know that killing Zia in Chittagong was no recipe for taking over power in Dhaka? Yet, he did it? Why? Because his Officer colleagues in the Dhaka Cantonment made him believe that immediately after the killing they would kill/arrest Army Chief of Staff General Ershad and surround the President House and Manjur will go to Dhaka as a Hero.

They were actually working by the instruction of Ershad that General Manjur did not know. When Manjur tried to contact these colleagues after Kalurghat Radio station speech, no one answered. Manjur panicked and fled towards Burma at the non-response but was arrested by a Police team led by OC Quddus.

Manjur was killed point-blank immediately after he was brought to Ctg. Cantonment. Why so early and without a trial? It was because he would divulge the names of other conspirators in Dhaka and in their turn, they would divulge the name of Ershad.

So, he was killed immediately and the Dhaka conspirators were also killed in the same night by Ershad people and were buried somewhere near a mosque in Motijeel. Could it be near Hatir Pool?

Finally, Ershad hanged those who were with Manjur in the Chittagong operation but they were not the conspirators. They were only following the order given by Manjur.