China urges Pakistani leaders to resolve issues over CPEC project

[notorious_eagle]

Generally it has been the policy of neither we will play nor let you play.

So essentially, in your opinion PTI is the one causing problems for CPEC because they dared to ask the Federal Government to call a Parliamentary Session or an APC and show the agreements signed with the Chinese and answer any questions MNA's might have about the project.

Off course it does not matter that the Federal Government has not shared any details of CPEC with the CM's of the Provinces or the MNA's in Parliament. It is absolutely fine for the Federal Government to keep all the agreements a secret, and not brief any CM about the details of the project. After all, who needs transparency right because this is a Democracy.

If the Fed Govt really wants to shut up KPK or anyone, why does it not reveal the details of the Project to the Public instead of hiding it. The Fed Govt has only itself to blame for this fiasco, because they failed to take Parliament and the CM's into confidence. Instead of conducting Business Deals in Private, why is the Fed Govt so deathly afraid of making the details public of the Project.

We certainly have no shortage of illiterate morons in Pakistan

Pakistanis are too stupid and naive to get out of this pml vs pti thing and for once see things in their true perspective.

Sorry, in this case the responsibility lies only on Nawaz Sharif. Why is he so afraid of bringing all the details of the Project in front of the Parliament. Questions and doubts will be raised, if only our Nawaz Sharif's family was involved in the dealings of this Project. Simple.

 

[HAIDER]

So essentially, in your opinion PTI is the one causing problems for CPEC because they dared to ask the Federal Government to call a Parliamentary Session or an APC and show the agreements signed with the Chinese and answer any questions MNA's might have about the project.

Off course it does not matter that the Federal Government has not shared any details of CPEC with the CM's of the Provinces or the MNA's in Parliament. It is absolutely fine for the Federal Government to keep all the agreements a secret, and not brief any CM about the details of the project. After all, who needs transparency right because this is a Democracy.

If the Fed Govt really wants to shut up KPK or anyone, why does it not reveal the details of the Project to the Public instead of hiding it. The Fed Govt has only itself to blame for this fiasco, because they failed to take Parliament and the CM's into confidence. Instead of conducting Business Deals in Private, why is the Fed Govt so deathly afraid of making the details public of the Project.

We certainly have no shortage of illiterate morons in Pakistan



Sorry, in this case the responsibility lies only on Nawaz Sharif. Why is he so afraid of bringing all the details of the Project in front of the Parliament. Questions and doubts will be raised, if only our Nawaz Sharif's family was involved in the dealings of this Project. Simple.

What you talking about, parliament member doesn't even know the LNG rate set with Qatar. Question been raised many time , but no answer. All mega project has no transparency. In leaked report , big kickbacks found in LNG deal. But rate is still unknown. LNG is billions of dollar project.

 

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So essentially, in your opinion PTI is the one causing problems for CPEC because they dared to ask the Federal Government to call a Parliamentary Session or an APC and show the agreements signed with the Chinese and answer any questions MNA's might have about the project.

Off course it does not matter that the Federal Government has not shared any details of CPEC with the CM's of the Provinces or the MNA's in Parliament. It is absolutely fine for the Federal Government to keep all the agreements a secret, and not brief any CM about the details of the project. After all, who needs transparency right because this is a Democracy.

If the Fed Govt really wants to shut up KPK or anyone, why does it not reveal the details of the Project to the Public instead of hiding it. The Fed Govt has only itself to blame for this fiasco, because they failed to take Parliament and the CM's into confidence. Instead of conducting Business Deals in Private, why is the Fed Govt so deathly afraid of making the details public of the Project.

We certainly have no shortage of illiterate morons in Pakistan

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How many opportunities has PTI wasted ?

1. Khattak didn't want to go to China, even alone, due to dharna.

2. An APC was called by PM some 8 months ago and PTI minus IK was present and the same Ahsan Iqbal gave presentation and opened the debate.

3. PTI was hardly present in parliament to discuss matters

4. Mushaid Hussain is the head of CPEC committee and he is not in PML-N.

5. PTI never approached Chinese embassy to clear details of projects in KPK.

6. Any other problem, chance to move the Courts and file a petition.


PTI and its allies were either sleeping or waiting for the day when the project kicks off so they can bring it to halt and Chinese could then say goodbye.

Its not very hard to see and one doesn't need any form of literacy. All PTI wants to do is remove this government and plant IK as the new PM. They have been trying to do this for last 3 years and quite franky everyone is tired of this.

 

[HAIDER]

How many opportunities has PTI wasted ?

1. Khattak didn't want to go to China, even alone, due to dharna.

2. An APC was called by PM some 8 months ago and PTI minus IK was present and the same Ahsan Iqbal gave presentation and opened the debate.

3. PTI was hardly present in parliament to discuss matters

4. Mushaid Hussain is the head of CPEC committee and he is not in PML-N.

5. Despite differences with Fed, PTI never approached Chinese embassy to clear details of projects in KPK.


PTI and its allies were either sleeping or waiting for the day when the project kicks off so they can bring it to halt and Chinese could then say goodbye. Its not very hard to see and one doesn't need any form literacy. All PTI wants to do is remove this government and plant IK as the new PM.

Embassies only share project information with govt authorized personal , not with anyone else. Breach of contract and security issue. But, yes PTI has wasted its time in some non rational activities. But, PTI is big party and now its building a larger coalition with MQM. to challenge the CPEC in parliament. Hope all decide quickly, before China change its mind.But, China has no choice. without this route , Chinese freight distance reduce to almost 3000 miles min and hundreds of traveling hours.

 

[Edevelop]

Embassies only share project information with govt authorized personal , not with anyone else. Breach of contract and security issue. But, yes PTI has wasted its time in some non rational activities. But, PTI is big party and now its building a larger coalition with MQM. to challenge the CPEC in parliament. Hope all decide quickly, before China change its mind.But, China has no choice. without this route , Chinese freight distance reduce to almost 3000 miles min and hundreds of traveling hours.

This is no excuse. PTI has a government in KPK. Fact of the matter is they don't want to approach any one because they are playing short term politics even on things which matter to national interest.

They have this fear that if projects complete before 2018 federal elections, they will be in the losers end.They have already lost the reputation of dealing with taliban and now this will also turn out to be no different.

 

[notorious_eagle]

How many opportunities has PTI wasted ?

Many, but i can make an even better argument against PML-N and PPP, but that's beside the point.

1. Khattak didn't want to go to China, even alone, due to dharna.

And who told you that? According to Khattak, he was never invited. Also, was the invitation also lost for the CM's of Sindh and Baluchistan who were fuming when they found out they were not invited. Take your B.S somewhere else.

2. An APC was called by PM some 8 months ago and PTI minus IK was present and the same Ahsan Iqbal gave presentation and opened the debate.

Indeed, but did not provide any details and copies of the agreements signed. This is exactly what Khattak said, Ahsan Iqbal only showed them MOU's but not the copies of the agreement signed. Even a moron can go and download the MOU's online, this was just Ahsan Iqbal trolling Khattak.

3. PTI was hardly present in parliament to discuss matters

They have been for the past 1.5 Years, why has the Government failed to table a resolution and discuss these matters in Parliament? You yourself have no justification, and are just trying to troll your point through by raising straw man arguments.

4. Mushaid Hussain is the head of CPEC committee and he is not in PML-N.

Hardly, he is almost on his way back to PML-N as his Senatorship requires PML-N's blessing.

5. PTI never approached Chinese embassy to clear details of projects in KPK.

What sort of moronic argument is this? PTI cannot approach the Chinese Embassy because the negotiations are being conducted by the Federal Government. It's State to State, not Province to State. At least, do your research before opening your mouth. You don't even know how State to State Business is conducted.

6. Any other problem, move the Courts and file a petition.

Sindh and KPK have said, that is the next step if their grievances are not addressed.

PTI and its allies were either sleeping or waiting for the day when the project kicks off so they can bring it to halt and Chinese could then say goodbye.

Again, a very stupid argument. Why does the Fed Govt simply not share the details of the agreements signed? How do you expect PTI to make their point when they were not even invited by the Fed Govt to be part of the discussions. I mean seriously, just answer me this? Why hasn't the Federal Government revealed the details of the agreements that were signed with the Chinese? What's so secret about it?

Its not very hard to see and one doesn't need any form of literacy. All PTI wants to do is remove this government and plant IK as the new PM. They have been trying to do this for last 3 years and quite franky everyone is tired of this.

Only morons continue to believe that, one can't help it.

If the Fed Govt really wants to shut up PTI, all they have to do is table these resolutions in the Parliament and let them discuss it on the Floor. What's there to hide? LNG Rates have not been disclosed to the public but we already have bought it from Qatar. Why haven't they been disclosed? Oh wait, its because the Sharif Family is involved in these business dealings and kickbacks. Asking for transparency according to you is blasphemy.

Parhay Likhay Jahil

This is no excuse. PTI has a government in KPK. Fact of the matter is they don't want to approach any one because they are playing short term politics even on things which matter to national interest.

They have this fear that if projects complete before 2018 federal elections, they will be in the losers end.They have already lost the reputation of dealing with taliban and now this will also turn out to be no different.

State to State Relationship. Search that up on Google.

I will dumb it down for you. PTI or KPK Government as an entity are not a legal party in this Agreement. The only legal parties to this Agreement are the Fed Govt of Pakistan and China. PTI cannot ask for clarifications from the Chinese Embassy, they can only ask clarifications from the Federal Government of Pakistan. If this still is not clear for you, than God help you.

 

[Hyperion]

Sometime I wonder if @cb4 isn't Showbaz Sharif himself. The level of ignorance and arrogance is almost identical!

Many, but i can make an even better argument against PML-N and PPP, but that's beside the point.



And who told you that? According to Khattak, he was never invited. Also, was the invitation also lost for the CM's of Sindh and Baluchistan who were fuming when they found out they were not invited. Take your B.S somewhere else.



Indeed, but did not provide any details and copies of the agreements signed. This is exactly what Khattak said, Ahsan Iqbal only showed them MOU's but not the copies of the agreement signed. Even a moron can go and download the MOU's online, this was just Ahsan Iqbal trolling Khattak.



They have been for the past 1.5 Years, why has the Government failed to table a resolution and discuss these matters in Parliament? You yourself have no justification, and are just trying to troll your point through by raising straw man arguments.



Hardly, he is almost on his way back to PML-N as his Senatorship requires PML-N's blessing.



What sort of moronic argument is this? PTI cannot approach the Chinese Embassy because the negotiations are being conducted by the Federal Government. It's State to State, not Province to State. At least, do your research before opening your mouth. You don't even know how State to State Business is conducted.



Sindh and KPK have said, that is the next step if their grievances are not addressed.



Again, a very stupid argument. Why does the Fed Govt simply not share the details of the agreements signed? How do you expect PTI to make their point when they were not even invited by the Fed Govt to be part of the discussions. I mean seriously, just answer me this? Why hasn't the Federal Government revealed the details of the agreements that were signed with the Chinese? What's so secret about it?



Only morons continue to believe that, one can't help it.

If the Fed Govt really wants to shut up PTI, all they have to do is table these resolutions in the Parliament and let them discuss it on the Floor. What's there to hide? LNG Rates have not been disclosed to the public but we already have bought it from Qatar. Why haven't they been disclosed? Oh wait, its because the Sharif Family is involved in these business dealings and kickbacks. Asking for transparency according to you is blasphemy.

Parhay Likhay Jahil



State to State Relationship. Search that up on Google.

I will dumb it down for you. PTI or KPK Government as an entity are not a legal party in this Agreement. The only legal parties to this Agreement are the Fed Govt of Pakistan and China. PTI cannot ask for clarifications from the Chinese Embassy, they can only ask clarifications from the Federal Government of Pakistan. If this still is not clear for you, than God help you.

 

[tarrar]

The corrupt & incompetent politicians are already doing worse for Pakistan & when China looks at them (corrupt politicians) they must be saying "poor Pakistan", it is such a shame that all these corrupt & incompetent bastard politicians are seeing & dreaming of corruption through CPEC. Really, really shameful that China is asking these bastard politicians to resolve issues.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Sometime I wonder if @cb4 isn't Showbaz Sharif himself. The level of ignorance and arrogance is almost identical!

Read this what he wrote. hahaahahahaahahaaa . I mean when you write something like this, what do you expect.

5. PTI never approached Chinese embassy to clear details of projects in KPK.

 

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@notorious_eagle

Nah I'm sure its not besides the point because you wouldn't be mentioning it. Please do find anything about PML-N.

Its a blatant lie. CM Balochistan has been to China with Federal officials many times. Just go on google images to prove


Were you there in APC as a witness cuz you sure seem to sound like one


So let me get this straight. If according to you they were attending Parliament were they suppose to just sit there and wait for them to say something ? How naive. Is a politician and a democratic system one way traffic ?

So Mushaid Hussain is a PML-N guy. Is there anything you can do besides making assumptions ?


I didn't say anything that should be changed or negotiated. As a party holding power of a province, it has the right to get details. Thats all I'm saying. Chinese embassy won't say anything to offend you or stop you.


Go ahead. Courts are there for a reason. In fact all parties who have issue should just go now.


Does PTI stand on any principle stand ? Is it the route, the fibre optic, or the finances ?


Your argument about LNG is really stupid. First if all there hasn't been any deal with Qatar yet. If there is then why isn't there gas in Pakistan ? The other thing is, LNG terminal in Karachi is still under construction, one is completed while others are in progress.

To call me 'para likha jahil' sums up how immature you are and this has been reported.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Nah I'm sure its not besides the point because you wouldn't be mentioning it. Please do find anything about PML-N.

Not much to find. Just open TV at Prime Time, and start listing all the scandals of PML-N.

Its a blatant lie. CM Balochistan has been to China with Federal officials many times. Just go on google images to prove

Blatant Lie ehhh

Balochistan CM says not taken into confidence on Pak-China corridor - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Here the CM Baluchistan himself is saying that he was not taken into confidence for CPEC. When you make up stuff and start lying just to make a point, you loose credibility which appears that you have already lost.

Were you there in APC as a witness cuz you sure seem to sound like one

CM's of Baluchistan, Sindh and KPK seem to have that opinion. If they all have that in consensus, it must be true. But please, feel free to share any B.S that you have.

So let me get this straight. If according to you they were attending Parliament were they suppose to just sit there and wait for them to say something ? How naive. Is a politician and a democratic system one way traffic ?

Maybe you haven't been following the Parliamentary proceedings. Let me dumb it down for you.

There have been numerous times that Opposition Leader Khurshid Shah, PTI Parliamentary Leader Shireen Mazari, MQM Farooq Sattar have called attention in the House for briefings on CPEC but the Government failed to provide any details. Arif Alvi, Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Sherry Rehman have made speeches against the Government demanding that they share the details. But the Government has so far rejected, in fact Government Ministers and MNA's don't bother showing up to Assembly Sessions. Yay for Democracy

Another B.S by you. Gosh, how many will i hit out of the park.

So Mushaid Hussain is a PML-N guy. Is there anything you can do besides making assumptions ?

He is not as of now, but he soon will be. After all, more than half of PML-Q is sitting in PML-N now. Mushahid Hussain cannot be a Senator without PML-N's blessing.

I didn't say anything that should be changed or negotiated. As a party holding power of a province, it has the right to get details. Thats all I'm saying. Chinese embassy won't say anything to offend you or stop you.

Indeed, the Province has the right to get information from the Federal Government. The Federal Government has so far failed to provide any information. Even after dumbing it down for you, you still did not understand. gosh

Go ahead. Courts are there for a reason. In fact all parties who have issue should just go now.

Okay

Does PTI stand on any principle stand ? Is it the route, the fibre optic, or the finances ?

Read up the news

Your argument about LNG is really stupid. First if all there hasn't been any deal with Qatar yet. If there is then why isn't there gas in Pakistan ? The other thing is, LNG terminal in Karachi is still under construction, one is completed while others are in progress.

Here you go:

LNG contract for fools!
Opposition in Senate slates govt for ‘corruption’ in LNG deal | Pakistan | thenews.com.pk

Looks like you're the stupid one because the Fed Government has already purchased consignment without even disclosing the Final Price to the Parliament. hahaha

To call me 'para likha jahil' sums up how immature you are and this has been reported.

Well you just proved my point. I called you a 'parha likha jahil' because i caught your lies three times in the Post above. What more do you want me to do . I just highlighted your lies above, do go through them. But seriously, lying for a political government on your own personal capacity, that's low buddy.

 

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@notorious_eagle

Prime TV must be ARY and Kara Such by Mubashar Luqman eh ?

Balochistan CM's visit to China speaks otherwise and btw Malik Baloch is from National Party and Nawaz Sharif put his minority party in power. This is called true statesmanship

The only opinion you are getting is Punjabi bashing. The same idiots who oppose Kala Bagh Dam and cover their incompetence

Read this United States of Punjab?

Who the fck is MQM ? So now terrorists have a say of what should be built and what shouldn't ?

Last time PTIans said something negative about Shireen Mazari, she quit. Now the dirt is being thrown against her daughter because her only harm was she used her democratic right to vote for PML-N. Probably half of PTI's leaders don't agree with each other and there is a reason why there are 3 groups

 

[HAIDER]

@notorious_eagle

Prime TV must be ARY and Kara Such by Mubashar Luqman eh ?

Balochistan CM's visit to China speaks otherwise and btw Malik Baloch is from National Party and Nawaz Sharif put his minority party in power. This is called true statesmanship

The only opinion you are getting is Punjabi bashing. The same idiots who oppose Kala Bagh Dam and cover their incompetence

Read this United States of Punjab?

Who the fck is MQM ? So now terrorists have a say of what should be built and what shouldn't ?

Last time PTIans said something negative about Shireen Mazari, she quit. Now the dirt is being thrown against her daughter because her only harm was she used her democratic right to vote for PML-N. Probably half of PTI's leaders don't agree with each other and there is a reason why there are 3 groups

Agreed your comments about MQM, but it is political reality. They can not be brush aside. As far as LNG, delivery already been done.

 

[notorious_eagle]

@notorious_eagle

Prime TV must be ARY and Kara Such by Mubashar Luqman eh ?

Balochistan CM's visit to China speaks otherwise and btw Malik Baloch is from National Party and Nawaz Sharif put his minority party in power. This is called true statesmanship

The only opinion you are getting is Punjabi bashing. The same idiots who oppose Kala Bagh Dam and cover their incompetence

Read this United States of Punjab?

Who the fck is MQM ? So now terrorists have a say of what should be built and what shouldn't ?

Last time PTIans said something negative about Shireen Mazari, she quit. Now the dirt is being thrown against her daughter because her only harm was she used her democratic right to vote for PML-N. Probably half of PTI's leaders don't agree with each other and there is a reason why there are 3 groups

This is hilarious. I love how you have completely changed the scope of your argument, just because i caught your lies and blasted all your arguments, you have finally resorted to trolling and are talking about non sense instead of CPEC.

I see i wasted my time as you're a troll, so i will end the discussion here from my side.

Good Day

 

[HAIDER]

This is hilarious. I love how you have completely changed the scope of your argument, just because i caught your lies and blasted all your arguments, you have finally resorted to trolling and are talking about non sense instead of CPEC.

I see i wasted my time as you're a troll, so i will end the discussion here from my side.

Good Day

I feel am in some desi talk show...where diversion from subject is common . But, its learning curve for our naive friends.