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China urges India to withdraw from fresh occupation by India

don't let them go unhurt , give them bloody nose .
China won't sit you alone .... some new adventures are coming in winter .... China already started build up for winter low key operations. They observed, Indian are not capable to fight in winter ...
 
Chinese think it's not Indian land. It goes both way.

Well they have to give that in writing shouldn't they? After 23 border meetings with India, they haven't provided their claim line in Ladakh region. Infact this year they even claimed lands far more what they had claimed in 1962 and for which they haven't made a claim in 70 years.

So I would just say CCP is coveting lands which they don't have legal basis off. This status quo game is played at the highest level for some other reason and not for some barren land.
 
I saw those 'sources' too. But will wait till a genuine source I trust comes up. Right now there is lots of clutter.

My source is ... not social media... don't know about deaths but yes injured are getting treatment in Leh...

China has reacted only after their Infra is attacked... successfully...

And yes GALWAN attack was preplanned...
 
Well they have to give that in writing shouldn't they? After 23 border meetings with India, they haven't provided their claim line in Ladakh region. Infact this year they even claimed lands far more what they had claimed in 1962 and for which they haven't made a claim in 70 years.

So I would just say CCP is coveting lands which they don't have legal basis off. This status quo game is played at the highest level for some other reason and not for some barren land.

Agree this is all for higher reasons and not for useless land both countries have plenty of. My thoughts is towards CPEC projects and security of Belt and Road routes. It doesn't win any more land but I suspect CCP wants to have full military presence as India not just threatens invading Tibet but also disturbing CPEC and Belt and Road project.

Because recent meetings after May where CCP has not discussed claim line doesn't mean much to us here because we don't know their discussions and meeting agendas. Indian side knows CCP claimed lines since 1950s and CCP knows Indian claims since then as well don't we?
 
Exactly. A lot of it is undemarcated. At the end the top political leadership will have to talk and go back to original positions prior to May/June 2020. Else either side can do an incursion.

The Indian logic is if Indian military captures some Chinese controlled territory, it is victory but if Chinese military captures some Indian controlled territory, then it wasn't demarcated, perceived differently but we are ready for war. Hooraah.
 
My source is ... not social media... don't know about deaths but yes injured are getting treatment in Leh...

China has reacted only after their Infra is attacked... successfully...

And yes GALWAN attack was preplanned...

Where is information Chinese infra attacked successfully? What infra in this area? It's only random Indian guys saying this. Meanwhile Indian government says IA just prevented PLA attacks while CCP says India went into Chinese side of LAC of China's definition. Nowhere is mentioned PLA had infra that was attacked by India. Even less mention of successful attack.
 
PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side
The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.
Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.
Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.
“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements… and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.
“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.
“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.


On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused India of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Requin Pass. The statement said India had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.


Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”

Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the India statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.
Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.
Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.
ALSO READ: Chinese troops violate agreement in Pangong Tso, Indian Army pre-empts move
Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).
On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.
India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday.
Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.
Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.
The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.


 
China won't sit you alone .... some new adventures are coming in winter .... China already started build up for winter low key operations. They observed, Indian are not capable to fight in winter ...
A few minutes ago a official statement from China came in which they warned India that their troops are on Chinese land threatening Chinese territorial integrity and if they won't go back this time it will definitely escalate.
So I think this time shit is going to hit the fan because indians won't go back .
With eighty percent accuracy I can tell India can't win with Chinese in ladakh and Kashmir front. And if pakistan too jumps in its obvious with hundred percent accuracy indians will lose whole ladakh and J&K.
This time is very critical for us to think about it . If IK government and army leadership don't make daring decision this time our future generations will not forgive us.
 
PLA offensive in Pangong resumes, Chinese take two hilltops on Indian side
The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.
Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.
Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.
“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements… and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.
“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.
“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.


On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused India of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Requin Pass. The statement said India had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.


Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”

Since the PLA statement refers to Monday, it is not clear whether it refers to the same operation as the India statement, or to a retaliatory operation that the Indian Army might have chosen to remain silent about.

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.
Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.
Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.
ALSO READ: Chinese troops violate agreement in Pangong Tso, Indian Army pre-empts move
Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).
On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.
India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.
“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday.
Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.
Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.
The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.



So no mention the Chinese side consider this as Indian invasion over decades? Chinese consider this a part of China just like India consider it India. Too one sided article. This is called dispute for a reason. Both sides involved and have different versions of what is supposed to be.
 
A few minutes ago a official statement from China came in which they warned India that their troops are on Chinese land threatening Chinese territorial integrity and if they won't go back this time it will definitely escalate.
So I think this time shit is going to hit the fan because indians won't go back .
With eighty percent accuracy I can tell India can't win with Chinese in ladakh and Kashmir front. And if pakistan too jumps in its obvious with hundred percent accuracy indians will lose whole ladakh and J&K.
This time is very critical for us to think about it . If IK government and army leadership don't make daring decision this time our future generations will not forgive us.
It's time to wake up Indians ...

 
I doubt the veracity of all this. However, if true, excellent work by the Chinese. Indians never learn.

China has - according to various Indian sources - infiltrated into Indian territory. Meanwhile, China SAYS India invaded Chinese territory and demands "Indian withdrawal".

Just like in June, India will find itself withdrawing within its own territory. Rinse and repeat.
You don't know anything. You are just doing your duty.
Even if India invade Bijing, you will say the same thing. You are not allowed to speak the truth.
 

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