Nishan_101
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I think it was for India to scare them along with NATO>>>>>
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Same back to you, hundreds of fighters and at least 100 upgraded H-6 bombers + 34 SSK + 5-6 SSN + about 20 frigates + 14-15 destroyers, since all Chinese assets are at only one coast and not spread throughout the world + all the missiles. We are on a roll here,
You got almost empty of Tomahawks after raping defenseless Iraq in 2003 and many were used against Libya in 2011; so you had shortage in 2011 too. The U.S. had to order 400 new Tomahawks to make up for those used in 2011. You don't have no where near many enough for China; China on the other hand have enough for your terrorist bases nearby
If you want to see more than a billion Chinese people killed and thousands of years of Chinese history wiped out for a couple of rocks. Be my guess. You shut down islands, but remember what happened to Japan when it thought U.S. could not hit its main islands during WW2. Doolittle Raid. And this was WW2. Just recently North Korea freaked out when a pair of B2s came from the U.S. mainland and dropped a couple of bombs in the Korean peninsula and returned home.
Thanks for proving my point. I know that the U.S. are massmurderers and you are threatening to nuke and wipe out China because of Diayou and bases on Okinawa where native people HATE you being there anyway.
Second of all, China is not scared of your mass murdering threats. China has every right to attack a threat right in front of it's coast.
Thirdly, same goes back to you, if the U.S. wants to die for the country that attacked Pearl Harbour, then right back at you; "be my guest".
There were no nukes in 1941. Neither does China plan on attacking Hawaii. However, anything between Diayou and Okinawa and even Guam is acceptable target.
I really don't know why you are babbling about North Korea and giving me links to reaction from the North Korea. We are not interested in a war with South Korea.
I gave you link to what China is capable of according to your report.
However, terrorist murderers in Japan and the U.S. is another matter. This one will be to the last breath, OLD man.
I know your government is used to raping weak countries, and since China is denying you the rape, your terrorist government kind of find that "exciting" You want what you can't have
You suggested using nukes if we use conventional methods of attack on Chinese mainland. Should I quote you? You suggested mass murdering.
Not too mention thousand of CJ-10 cruise missile and thousand of guided Ballistic missile that will launch and wipe off the enemy. Nothing special from the enemy.
Not to mention thousands of missiles and ballistic missiles that would wipe out the billions Chinese people and pretty much nothing left to mention the existence of Chinese culture. Even though Mao claims otherwise if he sacrifice millions of Chinese to achieve his aims.
So can we wipe out 200 millions of American with our DF-31A. What is so special? You want to play armageddon? We grant your wish send you American to hell.
DF-31A with MRV warhead plus decoy is enough penetrate US missile shield. How many can you intercept? All it takes is a dozen warhead reach US continent is enough to send USA into history. China too possess hydrogen warhead...
We can wipe out over a billion Chinese even if you have more people because your cities are more dense. So instead of killing a million its tens of millions.
let me ask you something then, if somehow, forget how, China manage to attack US mainland and say there isn't a way to stop it, at least not immediately. Would the US use Nukes?
The US used Nukes just to save lives in WW2, you think you wouldn't use if US itself is in danger?
Are you saying you have no confidence in your conventional forces to stop a U.S. conventional attack on Chinese mainland?
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USA doesn't need to use nukes at all,infact it needs little military force.
All they will do-
Cancel trillions of dollars of debt to china,
Embargo chinese goods and withdraw all investors and manufactureres from china along with european alliance.Chinese economy is export based.
USN cuts off all oil imports and essential goods supplies to china.Especially through malacca.
Chinese economy collapses in weeks.
There is nothing china can do to stop this till it fields a navy that can challenge USN on any ocean in the world,unlike USSR who had massive energy and oil reserves and was not tied to exports,china is not self sufficient in resources and especially oil and energy without which modern states can't survive.
USA doesn't need to use nukes at all,infact it needs little military force.
All they will do-
Cancel trillions of dollars of debt to china,
Embargo chinese goods and withdraw all investors and manufactureres from china along with european alliance.Chinese economy is export based.
USN cuts off all oil imports and essential goods supplies to china.Especially through malacca.
Chinese economy collapses in weeks.
There is nothing china can do to stop this till it fields a navy that can challenge USN on any ocean in the world,unlike USSR who had massive energy and oil reserves and was not tied to exports,china is not self sufficient in resources and especially oil and energy without which modern states can't survive.
It's impossible for the US to cancel its debt to us because then no one will lend America money in the future. We certainly won't buy their debt to continue their QE policies and fund their $1 trillion budget deficits. Without us, the entire American economy collapses.
Our exports to the US is an insignificant 17% of our total exports. Net exports account for a tiny part of our GDP growth. China is now an investment and consumption based economy. Last year net exports contributed negatively to GDP growth. Over 50% of GROWTH was from consumption. You're confusing future growth with past stock of growth. Consumption as a % of GDP is low but all new growth comes from private consumption.
Chinese manufacturing industry is dominated by Chinese manufacturers and most of the foreign manufacturers are Taiwanese, Japanese and South Korean. American manufacturers make up only 16% of total Chinese manufacturing.
China has alternative energy sources through Central Asia and cutting off energy supplies to Malacca means cutting off all of East Asia (the engine for the global economy). That means the entire global economy collapses because Chinese economy contributed the most to global growth over the past 5 years. If China sneezes, the world gets pneumonia.
The US is not as stupid as Indians. They know China runs the global economy. The global supply chains runs through China, Chinese consumption is the driving force for corporate earnings worldwide and Chinese lending is vital for the survival of the American economy as China absorbs most of the printed dollars from the Fed to keep inflation in the US down. Since China is the largest manufacturer, we can afford to print money and buy those excessive dollars off the market and keep our inflation down since our goods production can keep up with RMB money creation. No other economy can absorb those excessive dollars like the Chinese economy.
Your suggestions are cute but impossible to work in reality. The global economy is connected like never before, any harm to the Chinese economy and the Americans will be shooting themselves in the foot. They know this.
We can wipe out over a billion Chinese even if you have more people because your cities are more dense. So instead of killing a million its tens of millions.
USA doesn't need to use nukes at all,infact it needs little military force.
All they will do-
Cancel trillions of dollars of debt to china,
Embargo chinese goods and withdraw all investors and manufactureres from china along with european alliance.Chinese economy is export based.
USN cuts off all oil imports and essential goods supplies to china.Especially through malacca.
Chinese economy collapses in weeks.
There is nothing china can do to stop this till it fields a navy that can challenge USN on any ocean in the world,unlike USSR who had massive energy and oil reserves and was not tied to exports,china is not self sufficient in resources and especially oil and energy without which modern states can't survive.
See carefully who start talking of MAD first. Chinese never strike unprovoked.
First of all, any Tomahawk striking the mainland, means you get your behind nuked. Attacking your terrorist forces right ahead of our nose in Diayou and Okinawa is perfectly acceptable in a case of war.
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...st-h6-k-bomber-prototype-3.html#ixzz2XkzNIEvO
What if China manages to achieve Air-Superiority along the Indo-China Border perhaps up to 50 kms into Indian Air Space & then uses these Bombers to attack Indian Immobile Targets from stand-off ranges right on the edge of the Indo-China border ? Perhaps Air Superiority over whole swathes of Indian Air Space is neither required nor practically achievable ?
Would that sound plausible ?
let me ask you something then, if somehow, forget how, China manage to attack US mainland and say there isn't a way to stop it, at least not immediately. Would the US use Nukes?
The US used Nukes just to save lives in WW2, you think you wouldn't use if US itself is in danger?
In war,there is no ethics.You really expect a nation ur at war with to pay debts?LOL.Of course they will cancel debt,and others won't mind because they aren't going to war with USA anytime soon.
U are only factoring in exports to usa,now fcator in exports to all us allies and freinds including europe and gulf,they have to make a choice between usa and china they will choose usa.Whole chinese xport economy collapses.Korean,japanese are all american allies.Of course they will back usa.U counting on them,lol.
Bulk of chinese energy sources come through malacca,and cutting off malacca doesn't mean cutting of east asia at all.Simply put no ships will go to chinese harbours due to USN blockade.Why would USN bloackade japnese and other east asian ships...another false assumption.Without oil u got nothing.Also gulf is totally owned by USA.
Yes collapse of chinese economy will hurt the world and US economy a lot too,but u are assuming usa is not willing to pay the price.Thye are willing to take the damage if it means knocking china out completely.Japan thought in ww2 if they took the island chains,usa wouldn't risk casualities..they found out otherwise when usa took them despite terrible casualities in iwo jima,okinawa,etc.You are assuming chinese are the only ones to act decisively willing to take losses and others are soft..a cute but impossible dream.
Sure they don't want to go to war with china because damage will be substantial,but that doesn't mean they can put china down easily by these means if it does break out.Once war it is,gloves are off.
And again, as I said this some post before. I can never understand why China develop any Strategic bomber now, Stealth or otherwise.
If you want to launch bomber from the US and support your troop fighting in Iraq, Vietnam or Afghanistan, yeah, then a strategic bomber will make sense.
if you want to launch a bomber form the US and strike Canada, launch a strategic bomber do not make sense.
You have to have ground support to use those bomber, simply aerial escort is not enough, you also need to supress SAM/AAA on the ground. The main objective for Strategic Bomber is to support your OFFSHORE fighting force. China have NO OFFSHORE FIGHTING FORCE anywhere in the world, no transport capability, nor logistic capability to support an offshore campaign. Why would you need Strategic Bomber??
If you really want to launch them against target in like Senkaku, the Japanese Patriot Missile crew will point and laugh at you while shooting your Bomber down. And your escort can do nothing about it....
I would understand if China are to develop these type in maybe 10 or 15 years, but now? it seems only like an item that sitting pretty inside your hanger...