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China trumping US leadership in Asia: Obama

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Only in the US would "writing the rules" for an exclusionary trade organization dominated by America be taken at face value as "leveling the playing field." The whole notion would be laughable if American leaders didn't sincerely believe in their own bullshit. American hubris never ceases to make one shake his head in amazement. :lol:

Gives an idea as to what the US thinks of the TPP.
 
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TPP交渉怒る甘利大臣「日本は米の属国じゃない!」:イザ!
2014.12.23 11:48

The headline TPP交渉怒る甘利大臣「日本は米の属国じゃない!」
Google translate:
TPP negotiations angry Amari Minister "Japan is not a rice vassal state!"
(Japanese name for US also mean rice)

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This Japanese news (said to be from Sankei Shimbun but has disappeared??) says that Japan’s chief negotiator Amari reportedly shouted at US trade representative Froman “Japan isn’t a vassal state/colony of the US!” in the december 2014, TPP negotiation meeting.

lol. To be honest, I'm excited to see how its going to turn out this February when they're both set to decide on a conclusion.

Here's an english language source

Japan, U.S. target reaching broad TPP agreement at March meet | The Japan Times
 
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Interesting, talks has been going on for a long time. I was beginning to wonder how much longer will this drag on and whether the US really can afford to drop Japan. Guess we will find out soon.
 
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Interesting, talks has been going on for a long time. I was beginning to wonder how much longer will this drag on and whether the US really can afford to drop Japan. Guess we will find out soon.

I wonder, once/if the disagreements are sorted out with Japan, all the rest will go on smoothly. It is a multilateral institution and I do not see how all the rest of the parties are fine with the agreement.
 
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Interesting, talks has been going on for a long time. I was beginning to wonder how much longer will this drag on and whether the US really can afford to drop Japan. Guess we will find out soon.

From what I read and from my own impression and impression of other Japanese media outlets, the way Froman had apparently talked to Amari and Japanese staff was that of disrespect. That is, as you may already know, not part of Japanese custom and demeanor in how we conduct business. So hence Amari's assessment on the last talk.

Froman, should be counseled in how he talks to Japanese people, else the utter failure in having Japan sign TPP will fall into his hands. And quite frankly, there is always the China-SK-Japan FTA which just held its 6th round talks some 3 days ago in Tokyo. And this 15th , Japan and Australia already started the Japan-Australia FTA. So, we're in no rush.
 
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It is not a zero-sum game isnt it?

The nations in the middle are happy to receive benefits from the top 2 economies of the world. USA is trying to marginalise China whose strength keeps on building from the openess of globalisation. By this virtue, China is helping countries like Russia, DPRK, and many other Americas' enemies getting breathing rooms from the US strangles, much to the US' displeasure

If the countries are not stupid, they should not just fall into the US trap, roping around themselves with the American
noose which can be relaxed or tightened according to the fits of tantrum of Americans - the grand master of playing stick and carrot games.

After hearing his congressional speech on the part about China through the news yesterday, it seems Obama is still irking on us when he might have felt being slighted at the Apec meeting Beijing, kinda evoking his psychological complex during that occasion.

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Pix taken in the recent APEC meeting in Beijing

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G20 summit Brisban. 2014

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After hearing his congressional speech on the part about China through the news yesterday, it seems Obama is still irking on us when he might have felt being slighted at the Apec meeting Beijing, kinda evoking his psychological complex during that occasion.


Speech shows ‘US ambition to dominate world’
By Hu Qingyun

US should focus on cooperation, not exclusion: analyst
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US President Barack Obama delivers the State of the Union address on Tuesday at the US Capitol in Washington, DC. Photo: AFP


Analysts on Wednesday hit back at US President Barack Obama's State of the Union speech, saying that China has never sought to be the rule maker, and the statement reflects a US ambition to pursue world domination.

President Barack Obama said on Tuesday the US, not China, must write trade rules for Asia, and called on Congress to give the White House a freer hand to close trade deals as he delivered his annual State of the Union address.

"But as we speak, China wants to write the rules for the world's fastest-growing region. That would put our workers and businesses at a disadvantage. Why would we let that happen? We should write those rules. We should level the playing field," Obama said.

"Obama's address indicates that the US still wants to dominate the world. They worry that China's fast development will challenge the status of the US," Zha Xiaogang, a research fellow at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, told the Global Times Wednesday.

Rather than becoming the rule maker, China is more interested in developing an economy that aims at creating mutual benefits, Zha said.

Foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a media briefing on Wednesday that China has always followed the win-win principle in economic cooperation with other countries, including the US.

China wishes all parties to work together to create a fair, open and transparent environment for economic cooperation as well as to contribute to the improvement of world trade rules, Hua said.

Obama, who is pushing to overcome resistance to so-called fast-track authority from within his own party as well as conservative Republicans, said that if China prevailed, US workers and businesses would be at a disadvantage.

"That's why I'm asking both parties to give me trade promotion authority to protect American workers, with strong new trade deals from Asia to Europe that aren't just free, but fair," he said.

China is not included in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) the US is negotiating with 11 other trading partners, which aims to set common standards on issues such as workers' rights and the environment as well as lower trade barriers.

China is pushing for faster progress toward a trade pact with the wider Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) bloc. In recent years, China has proposed or launched a series of multilateral free trade agreement.

The US should pay more attention to developing cooperation with China instead of excluding China in its regional trade pacts, Li Haidong, a professor at the China Foreign Affairs University, told the Global Times Wednesday.

Obama, seeking to complete the TPP and Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership pacts, admitted that past trade deals "haven't always lived up to the hype and that's why we've gone after countries that break the rules at our expense."

Ninety-five percent of the world's customers live outside the US, and the US cannot close off from those opportunities, he said, adding that "more than half of manufacturing executives have said they're actively looking at bringing jobs back from China."

Obama also mentioned other Asia-Pacific issues in his address beside trade cooperation.

"In the Asia-Pacific, we are modernizing alliances while making sure that other nations play by the rules - in how they trade, how they resolve maritime disputes, and how they participate in meeting common international challenges like nonproliferation and disaster relief," Obama said.

Zha believes that the statement is a signal that the US intends to be more active in Asia-Pacific affairs.

A climate change agreement reached between the two countries is another highlight in Obama's speech.

"The US will double the pace at which we cut carbon pollution, and China committed, for the first time, to limiting their emissions," Obama said.

China has vowed that its carbon emissions will reach a peak around 2030 with the US planning to slash its "economy-wide" emissions by 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025.

In his address, Obama also called on the US Congress to pass a new authorization of force against the Islamic State militant group and to not rush into new sanctions on Iran over its disputed nuclear program.

He also said the US was upholding "the principle that bigger nations can't bully the small" by opposing what he called Russian aggression and supporting democracy in Ukraine.

His remarks irked Russia as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday that the speech "shows that at the center of the [US] philosophy is one only thing: 'We are number one and everyone else has to recognize that.'"
 
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He also said the US was upholding "the principle that bigger nations can't bully the small" by opposing what he called Russian aggression and supporting democracy in Ukraine.

That is the funniest part showing his selective dementia of forgetting the numerous and literally nonstop bullies of USA all over the world since WW2. He is still thinking he is the rightful Nobel Prize winner and that "honour" can easily be obtained by withdrawing visible troops out of war zones only to be replaced by consultants/advisors and building up of the largest embassies / consulates overseas while their covert operations are still as active if not more so before his Nobel Laureate

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Obama’s urge to set rules misses the point of cooperation
By Wang Wenwen

In his annual State of the Union address, US President Barack Obama on Tuesday stressed the necessity for the US to write the rules in the fast developing Asia-Pacific region. "Why would we let that happen? We should write those rules. We should level the playing field."

The president is definitely not the only one in his administration to harbor such beliefs. US Trade Representative Michael Froman sent a warning in a 2013 interview that Asian economies, including China, have to adhere to trading standards that the US is in a strong position to set.

As some observers have pointed out before, security is rooted in trade. This makes the US particularly concerned about who sets the rules in a region that is recovering its place on the global stage. China's interest in establishing a new set of institutions in Asia, such as the Silk Road economic belt and the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank, seems to the US more like a menace aimed at challenging its supremacy. At the same time, the US has spared no efforts in pushing forward the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) which bears close scrutiny from regional stakeholders.

The Asian trade environment is full of contention as well as opportunities. China has been engaged in regional development that suits the interests of all countries involved. A pragmatic approach of the US is to evolve with China in a way that maximizes these interests, including its own. Nonetheless, no matter how the US wants to write the rules for the Asia-Pacific region, it should acknowledge the trend that developing countries are driving the world economy currently and they have the right to choose the trade practices that better suit their own interests.

Even its allies have their own political calculation when it comes to trade agreements. Take the TPP. Although the US and Japanese governments aim to enhance their alliance through such a treaty, thousands of Japanese farmers still protested against it because they believed the treaty would hurt their interests.

The common wish of Asia-Pacific countries is to develop the economy rather than getting involved in disputes over rules based on different ideologies.

Obama may have spoken boldly on trade because he hopes to quickly advance TPP negotiations and also because time is short to improve US economic performance. If Obama and his followers hope for a positive-sum future for their country, they should drop their competitive mentality, and focus more on cooperation. If the US only considers its own interests but not those of other countries, it can hardly be a rule-maker.
 
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I'm for it. Better East Asians looking out for each other than Americans coming here meddling around. My grandpa served as an army officer of Manchuria.

Manchukuo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
are you insane?:crazy:
my grandpa can also speak and write Japanese due to colonial education yet he remained to be a patriotic Chinese.
there is no way a true Northeast Chinese would ever support "the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". are you sure you are not Japanese?
 
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are you insane?:crazy:
my grandpa can also speak and write Japanese due to colonial education yet he remained to be a patriotic Chinese.
there is no way a true Northeast Chinese would ever support "the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". are you sure you are not Japanese?


I'm a direct descendant of Sun Tzu, the greatest military commander humanity has ever seen. :china:
 
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I'm a direct descendant of Sun Tzu, the greatest military commander humanity has ever seen. :china:
if you are into this ancestral game, then i'm a direct descendant of Jiang Shang (Jiang Ziya), an ancient Chinese military strategist 500 years before your Sun Tzu. :coffee:
please stay in Canada. Northeast China could be a dangerous place for you, or any "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" supporter.
 
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