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China to set up large steel factory at Gwadar: Envoy

Pakistan is a country open to all investors...of the world..if they arent coming in..China will go grab the whole pie...
Thats not good at all. If most of your economy is owned by Chinese, this means that they pretty much own you. Just like many great powers economically own many African countries.
 
No not true

We invited Chinese friends they are family , and family does not own each other they share their happiness and joy and become stronger

"La Familia " unbreakable bond between Chinese and Pakistan , we wish to learn from our brothers
 
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Thats not good at all. If most of your economy is owned by Chinese, this means that they pretty much own you. Just like many great powers economically own many African countries.

did you just compare what china is doing in Pakistan to European colonialism/slavery/genocide in Africa?

A small taste of European "civilization".
 
Remember the Movie " Field of Dreams ".

" If you build it, they will come ".
 
Thats not good at all. If most of your economy is owned by Chinese, this means that they pretty much own you. Just like many great powers economically own many African countries.


Curious to ask
  1. Some people on one hand says "welcome FDI", "the more the merrier", on the other hand fear (or spreading fear) asset ownership by foreign investor, is that self-contracting?
  2. Compared to FDI, there is another way of bringing in foreign capital without diluting asset ownership - Loan/debt - does that feel less "owned by foreigner"?
  3. The very nation owing most liabilities to foreigners, FDI and debts all included, is US, so is US "owned" by foreigners? Check post #5 on https://defence.pk/threads/whos-worlds-4th-largest-creditor-nation.455610/
 
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Curious to ask
  1. Some people on one hand says "welcome FDI", "the more the merrier", on the other hand fear (or spreading fear) asset ownership by foreign investor, is that self-contracting?
  2. Compared to FDI, there is another way of bringing in foreign capital without diluting asset ownership - Loan/debt - does that feel less "owned by foreigner"?
  3. The very nation owing most liabilities to foreigners, FDI and debts all included, is US, so is US "owned" by foreigners? Check post #5 on https://defence.pk/threads/whos-worlds-4th-largest-creditor-nation.455610/
Well FDI is preferred when you want greater return on your capital and you look for promising markets. Soft loans with sovereign guarantee is extended when the capital does not earn enough interest from your own banks (example huge loans by Japanese banks to Indian infrastructure projects). However, when there is third element to it, that is 'strategic investment', people raise concern. Some Pakistanis are doing same, raising concerns.
 
did you just compare what china is doing in Pakistan to European colonialism/slavery/genocide in Africa?

A small taste of European "civilization".
Congo Frer State was Leopolds colony, what happened there wasnt Belgiums fault.

Besides you completely missed my point. Colonialism is more than slavery.

Curious to ask
  1. Some people on one hand says "welcome FDI", "the more the merrier", on the other hand fear (or spreading fear) asset ownership by foreign investor, is that self-contracting?
  2. Compared to FDI, there is another way of bringing in foreign capital without diluting asset ownership - Loan/debt - does that feel less "owned by foreigner"?
  3. The very nation owing most liabilities to foreigners, FDI and debts all included, is US, so is US "owned" by foreigners? Check post #5 on https://defence.pk/threads/whos-worlds-4th-largest-creditor-nation.455610/
Im talking about China owning important infrastructure for example ports and powerplants. The more youre on dependent on them, tge more power they have on you
 
Congo Frer State was Leopolds colony, what happened there wasnt Belgiums fault.

Besides you completely missed my point. Colonialism is more than slavery.


Im talking about China owning important infrastructure for example ports and powerplants. The more youre on dependent on them, tge more power they have on you


You are an infant with no clue of Public-Private partnership models that Pakistan is using in CPEC. Every project is different. There is no colonialism or imperialism going on. Its just business.

Learn: Build–operate–transfer
 
“Both China and Pakistan would very soon sign an agreement to establish the steel factory, three times bigger than the free economic zone being set up in Gwadar city,”


Yes steel plants can be massive, large plants are like cities. A large plant at Gwadar may take up significant space of the city, see below example, one POSCO site in the city of Puhang:

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Other than size, steel is a capital-intensive hi-technology industry. Check latest WIPO 2016 report, among global Top100 applicants of technological patents, three are steel firms: POSCO, JFE, Hyundai Steel. Other like Nippon Steel & Sumitomo Metal, Baosteel, are also technology powerhouses.

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https://defence.pk/threads/world-in...ranking-of-171-countries.462744/#post-8942143

A lot of heavy industries are closely associated with steel, other than shipbuilding, there are machine tools, electro-mechanical machines, building materials, heavy trucks, etc. It's a strategic move for Gwadar to build a steel plant.
 
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ISLAMABAD, Dec 19 (APP): Acting Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan, Zhao Lijian Monday said that his country would set up a large steel factory at Gwadar to further expedite economic developments being carried out under China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) framework.

“Both China and Pakistan would very soon sign an agreement to establish the steel factory, three times bigger than the free economic zone being set up in Gwadar city,” he made this announcement while addressing participants of a day-long conference on CPEC: Potential and Prospects organized by Strategic Vision Institute (SVI) here.

He said, industrial cooperation was the forth pillar of CPEC initiative and both the country would discuss it in the next meeting of Joint Cooperation Committee (JCC) of CPEC to be held in Beijing this month.
“After completion of energy projects, transport infrastructure and development of Gwadar Port, industrial cooperation between China and Pakistan will be the main topic at the next JCC,” he added.

Zhao Lijian informed that China was working a lot for the development of Gwadar Port which was built with the Chinese government’s assistance.

He said, after completion, the port was handed over to Singapore but there was no improvement even after passage of five years.

Finally, it was given to the Chinese government by Pakistan government and the port was made functional and a ship carrying Chinese goods left for Africa.

He said, a business centre, hostel for different companies, fisheries processing plant with cold storage facility had been established in the free economic zone spread over around nine kilometers.

About Gwadar airport up-gradation, he said, the new international airport would have landing facility for all the modern aircraft including A-380 Airbus after completion, adding, prior to the up-gradation only C-130 or propeller-planes could land at the old airport.

The Acting Chinese Ambassador said, a 150-bed hospital was being built for the treatment of local people while a vocational institute had been set up for imparting training of different skills especially for the fishermen.

Talking about different energy project being completed under CPEC initiative in different parts of Pakistan, he particularly mentioned about the coal-based power plants which were being built in accordance with environmental standard set by the World Bank (WB) and other concerned international organizations.
He said, China produces around 60 percent of its total power generation through coal based power stations using modern and state of the art technology.

“The environmental concerns will be taken into consideration during the completion of these power stations,” he added.

Zhao Lijian pointed out hydro power plant, coal based power plants, wind power plants and solar based power plants were being set up to meet the electricity shortage in Pakistan.

He informed that the Karot Power Plant was being financed by the Silk Bank established by the Chinese government.

The groundbraking of Suki Kinari, Kohala Hydro Power Project would be held early next year, he said and added, Sahiwal Power Plant and Port Qasim Power Plant would be completed by next June and December respectively.

He said, a power plant set up at Thar coal site would also be inaugurated in next June.
He said, HUBCO power plant, one of the biggest coal-based power plant, would provide constant and stable power supply throughout the year.

The Acting Chinese Ambassador said, the 50MW wind power plants and the 100-MW solar power plant set up at Balochistan would boost the power production and hoped there would be no loadshedding in Pakistan after completion of all energy projects.

Giving overview of transport infrastructure projects, he said, the Multan-Sukkur section of Peshawar-Karachi motorway would be completed at a cost of US$ 2.8 billion.

He pointed out that no other country was ready to support this project because of being less populated and having less-transport.

China came forward to build this project on Built-Operate-Transfer (BOT) basis in three years.

He said, KKH Phase-II would be completed at a cost of US$ 1.3 billion, adding, its Phase-I had already been completed while Phase-III would soon be planned.

About railways upgradation, he said, after completion of dual tracks, speed of trains could be enhanced upto 160 km per hours.

Speaking on the occasion, Chairman, Parliamentary Committee on CPEC, Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed said, the CPEC initiative would be beneficial for not only Pakistan and China but also the South Asia and regions beyond.

He said, at a time when nobody was coming forward to help Pakistan, China extended support and confidence to its time-tested friend.

He informed that the land route of CPEC would connect 65 countries through Pakistan’s Gwadar port. He said, China’s cooperation in energy sector, transport infrastructure development including railways upgradation, Gwadar port, development of Thar coal, Karachi-Peshawar motorway, employment to 10,000 Pakistanis and early harvest projects under CPEC had given a new impetus to economic growth.

“These projects have not only pushed Pakistan economic revival but also help integrate different parts of our country,” he added.

Mushahid opined that importance of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) had increased manifold for regional cooperation and after India’s stubborn attitude regarding South Asian Association of Regional Cooperation (SAARC).

In his welcome address, President, SVI, Dr. Zafar Iqbal Cheema said that the CPEC was not only a game changer for South Asia but also for Central Asia and regions beyond.

He said, CPEC would have global implications over the time, adding, it would promote trade and economic activities in the entire region.

Source: http://www.app.com.pk/china-to-set-up-large-steel-factory-at-gwadar-envoy/
Good news, I hope they employ the local population and not bring in Chinese employees.
This will guarantee prosperity for the region.
 
So its a first step towards establishing hi tech industries I guess. I hope Pakistani investors also follow the suit or they ll end up incurring loses as Gawader is duty free while their steel plants elsewhere are under tax radar.

“Both China and Pakistan would very soon sign an agreement to establish the steel factory, three times bigger than the free economic zone being set up in Gwadar city,”

I wish they do take over PSM too and that too under Govt to Govt deal. The sooner the better.
 
Well FDI is preferred when you want greater return on your capital and you look for promising markets. Soft loans with sovereign guarantee is extended when the capital does not earn enough interest from your own banks (example huge loans by Japanese banks to Indian infrastructure projects). However, when there is third element to it, that is 'strategic investment', people raise concern. Some Pakistanis are doing same, raising concerns.


Yes you are correct, from a pure financial perspective equity investment (FDI) does have the opportunity of higher return, as well as risk of lower/negative return, compared to fixed income investment. However do note in both financial scenarios, the strategic value added in this case is technology, and supply chain both upstream (elements/equipments for production) and downstream (exports markets).

And yes accompanying with strategic value added, there's strategic concern, some western nations are indeed quite wary of Chinese involvement in their critical infra, strategic industries. China's top steelmaker Baosteel (1978), as well as POSCO (1968) of South Korea, are both founded by technology transfers (and financial assistance) from Nippon Steel, who is part of Mitsui Group (one of six Keiretsu) who has tremendous clout in the steel supply chain worldwide. If China and South Korea can work pragmatically with strategic rival Japan in perhaps the most strategic industry of all, I believe political trust between allies China and Pakistan is at a whole different level to do the same.

https://defence.pk/threads/china-co...l-than-the-rest-of-the-world-combined.457241/
 
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Thats not good at all. If most of your economy is owned by Chinese, this means that they pretty much own you. Just like many great powers economically own many African countries.
the concern is legitimate, but answer is wrong. Pakistan should create more business so investors cannot take all. do not view business as static. moreover,Pakistan should have institution for long-term plan.
 
Good news, I hope they employ the local population and not bring in Chinese employees.
This will guarantee prosperity for the region.


Of course, there will be Chinese workers.

If a Chinese worker or manager has specialised skills or experience in specific operations than obviously we need him. Overtime, a Pakistani will replace him because it costs more to hire a Chinese than a Pakistani. People running these operations want to reduce labour costs so they can maximize their profits. I doubt American, Chinese, Pakistani or Indian capitalists have any love for their people. They are in it for the money, not charity.
 
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Of course, there will be Chinese workers.

If a Chinese worker or manager has specialised skills or experience in specific operations than obviously we need him. Overtime, a Pakistani will replace him because it costs more to higher a Chinese than a Pakistani. People running these operations want to reduce labour costs so they can maximize their profits. I doubt American, Chinese, Pakistani or Indian capitalists have any love for their people. They are in it for the money, not charity.
Absolutely correct, but these people must be forced to help other.
Their greed can be used against them by enacting laws that benefits the local population near their factories.
 
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