China to release its own OS

[TejasMk3]

India doesnt see the U.S as a threat bro, instead India sees China as a threat. So India doesnt have any beef with the U.S and its continous hegemony. Just look at how silent India was when it was revealed India was among the 4 most spied countries in the world by the U.S. In fact even Brazil(who wasnt even spied upon as India made more noise/anger than India) . So India doesnt have any problem with using U.S tech companies products since it sees no threat from the U.S. So no need/urge for them to create one(though theres also technological diffulties to develop one).

Government has changed.

 

[Aepsilons]

India doesnt see the U.S as a threat bro, instead India sees China as a threat. So India doesnt have any beef with the U.S and its continous hegemony. Just look at how silent India was when it was revealed India was among the 4 most spied countries in the world by the U.S. In fact even Brazil(who wasnt even spied upon as India made more noise/anger than India) . So India doesnt have any problem with using U.S tech companies products since it sees no threat from the U.S. So no need/urge for them to create one(though theres also technological diffulties to develop one).

As for Russia, it wouldnt be commercially viable for it to create its own, Since it has a small/declining population anyway. So it doesnt offer the mass scale/demand that China has. So it will have a too small market to even count, thus will be doom from the beginning. But China has both the necessary population base/huge demand/market and technology to develop one(albeit not at par with google/MS/Apple) and make it commercially viable with time. So its just your incompetent/short sighted government who couldnt forsee this on time and plan accordingly. Now its almost too late. except you ban american software/OS in China and impose yours locally on companies(which i dont see happening) you dont stand a chance to be honest.

I agree with you, some of the posters here do not have a realistic view of geopolitics. India has a "all inclusive" foreign policy, meaning it maintains diplomatic and military relations with a host of nations. Just this summer they Indian Navy conducted naval exercises with the Russian Pacific Fleet , then a week later held Exercise Malabar 2014 with the US and Japanese navies. The Indians have a manageable and maneuverable foreign policy.

 

[mike2000]

I agree with you, some of the posters here do not have a realistic view of geopolitics. India has a "all inclusive" foreign policy, meaning it maintains diplomatic and military relations with a host of nations. Just this summer they Indian Navy conducted naval exercises with the Russian Pacific Fleet , then a week later held Exercise Malabar 2014 with the US and Japanese navies. The Indians have a manageable and maneuverable foreign policy.

Exactly, India does have a manageable/maneuvrable foreign policy. it does maintain diplomatic and military partnership with several foreign powers(while avoiding to take sides). But i dont think that is viable in the long run. In a decade or two from now, this will be become more and more untenable, as China grows bigger/dominant and the our goverments in the west/U.S try to maintain their hegemony.This can be seen in the current Ukraine crisis, which is growing more and more critical each passing day. In this respect there will be many such situations in the coming decades were India's loyalty will be tested to see were its priority lies, for the moment it still seems a little bit tilted towards Russia(giving almost all its major weapons systems comes from Russia), but it is also increasingly having more and more military relationships with the U.S(which Russia sees as a threat/competitor to it and its arms deals in India).

So in such a scenerio, Both China/Russia and the U.S/west still regard India with suspicion, since both dont yet know where it will tilt in the coming years. The ball is out there though.We will have to wait and see. But for now, India doesnt see the U.S as a threat at all, even when the U.S take some aggressive measures like the recent arrest/strio search of it diplomat, U.S relationship with pakistan and the massive spying the U.S carries on inside the country(revealed by snowden).

So as much as China and Russia try to draw India into their SCO and partnership/semi alliance, it will fail, since India doesnt have any problem/issues with a continued U.S dominance/hegemony in Asia/world unlike China and Russia. Thats the reason i find it funny when some members here think India joining SCO/BRICS bank etc will change anything, it wont. Instead we will see an increase India-U.S cooperation(U.S is already the largest supplier of arms to India, overtaking Russia recently)..

 

[Beidou2020]

Exactly, India does have a manageable/maneuvrable foreign policy. it does maintain diplomatic and military partnership with several foreign powers(while avoiding to take sides). But i dont think that is viable in the long run. In a a decade or two from now, this will be become more and more untenable, as China grows bigger/dominant and the our goverments in the west/U.S try to maintain their hegemony.This can be seen in the current Ukraine crisis, which is growing more and more critical each passing day. In this respect there will be many such situations in the coming decades were India's loyalty will be tested to see were its priority lies, for the moment it still seems a little bit tilted towards Russia(giving almost all its major weapons systems comes from Russia), but it is also increasingly having more and more military relationships with the U.S(which Russia sees as a threat/competitor to it and its arms deals in India). So in such a scenerio, Both China/Russia and the U.S/west still regard India with suspicion, since both dont yet know where it will tilt in the coming years. The ball is out there though.We will have to wait and see. But for now, India doesnt see the U.S as a threat at all, even when the U.S take some aggressive measures like the recent arrest/strio search of it diplomat, U.S relationship with pakistan and the massive spying the U.S carries on inside the country(revealed by snowden).
So as much as China and Russia try to draw India into their SCO and partnership/semi alliance, it will fail, since India doesnt have any problem/issues with a continued U.S dominance/hegemony in Asia/world unlike China and Russia. Thats the reason i find it funny when some members here think India joining SCO/BRICS bank etc will change anything, it wont. Instead we will see an increase India-U.S cooperation(U.S is already the largest supplier of arms to India, overtaking Russia recently)..

India should never be included in BRICS and SCO.

 

[mike2000]

India should never be included in BRICS and SCO.

huh....but India is already a member of the former and will soon be a member of the later(china accepted india's inclusion recently).D

 

[mike2000]

My friend, you have to understand that we join WTO and promise to stick by non-protectionism. We don't want the world, especially the US to say we target their company without a clear justification. The NSA revelation is a nail in the coffin that we now actually have a reason to ban it and the motivation to build our own ecosystem. Remember, you are comparing ourselves a couple decades ago when we lack the technological know-how to do anything. Today we have all the capability to create an ecosystem on our own and the NSA gives us that momentum to do it without the US crying foul to the WTO.

What?? you dont want the U.S to say you target them? WTO? who gives a **** about WTO nowadays, countries just impose tarriffs/restriction/protectionism anyway. many countries do it and will keep doing it. Even china has done it in some sectors like Internet, Solar, and electronic payment systems like its monopoly of Unionpay(which is now as big as master card/Visa and keeps growing). Countries all practice protectionsm to some extent, when they do other countries might go to WTO and file a complain, this takes years for the WTO to take a decision, and even then the country can apeal it, which again takes time/years for a final one. By this time the said country has already cornered the local market and acquired the scale necessary to go overseas and compete with foreign ones(e.g your Unionpay).

So you just have to stop using WTO excuse admit your government was incompetent on this one. They should have imposed their own OS long ago. and today we wouldnt be talking about Android/IOS in china. in fact maybe they will be competing overseas by now. You say a few years back you lack the technological know how, yes but not that much. In fact i read somewhere that for example your WPS(kingsoft office similar to MS word) was created almost same year as microsoft office and has grown quite well today and is almost as good as MS office but is used mostly internationally, but domestically it still has just about 10% of chinese domestic market while MS office corners over 75-80%. Do you see the irony here? Your CCP doesnt even encourage its own local tech companies properly, same with IBM who dominates your server market and has recently won several contracts recently with your largest bank ICBC for their data storage (soon all your banking system data will be analysed at the pentagon/CIA.) even though i read an equivalent called Inspure or something(dont know if i spell it right)
Believe me if this was say in Japan it will be the dominant one as i know Japanese are very nationalistic and tend to favour their local companies irregardless of if their product may lag a little behind those of the west or not..

 

[Aepsilons]

Exactly, India does have a manageable/maneuvrable foreign policy. it does maintain diplomatic and military partnership with several foreign powers(while avoiding to take sides). But i dont think that is viable in the long run. In a decade or two from now, this will be become more and more untenable, as China grows bigger/dominant and the our goverments in the west/U.S try to maintain their hegemony.This can be seen in the current Ukraine crisis, which is growing more and more critical each passing day. In this respect there will be many such situations in the coming decades were India's loyalty will be tested to see were its priority lies, for the moment it still seems a little bit tilted towards Russia(giving almost all its major weapons systems comes from Russia), but it is also increasingly having more and more military relationships with the U.S(which Russia sees as a threat/competitor to it and its arms deals in India).

So in such a scenerio, Both China/Russia and the U.S/west still regard India with suspicion, since both dont yet know where it will tilt in the coming years. The ball is out there though.We will have to wait and see. But for now, India doesnt see the U.S as a threat at all, even when the U.S take some aggressive measures like the recent arrest/strio search of it diplomat, U.S relationship with pakistan and the massive spying the U.S carries on inside the country(revealed by snowden).

So as much as China and Russia try to draw India into their SCO and partnership/semi alliance, it will fail, since India doesnt have any problem/issues with a continued U.S dominance/hegemony in Asia/world unlike China and Russia. Thats the reason i find it funny when some members here think India joining SCO/BRICS bank etc will change anything, it wont. Instead we will see an increase India-U.S cooperation(U.S is already the largest supplier of arms to India, overtaking Russia recently)..

Good Evening @mike2000 ,

India has a growing and vibrant economy, it enjoys a strategic location, and rather friendly foreign policy with many of its partners in the world stage. While the country develops it is important for it to balance its relations with a plethora of nations -- this way it does not alienate any possible foreign investor. India as a nation still needs to develop its infrastructure , it needs to address many demographic challenges that are set before her.

One thing that I've noticed is that India has forged relationships with other developing countries such as Mexico, Brazil and many African Nations. These countries represent the interests of the developing countries through economic forums such as G8 + 5, IBSA Dialogue Forum, WTO. Thus said, it does not serve India's interests to be aligned just yet if it desires to take advantage of the international relations milieu.

Will India maintain her Non Alignment Policy all the way into the future ? That is yet to be seen, but I can say that without a doubt her international relations policy will be centered on an 'India First' agenda while understanding the complexities of its immediate neighborhood.

 

[xunzi]

What?? you dont want the U.S to say you target them? WTO? who gives a **** about WTO nowadays, countries just impose tarriffs/restriction/protectionism anyway. many countries do it and will keep doing it. Even china has done it in some sectors like Internet, Solar, and electronic payment systems like its monopoly of Unionpay(which is now as big as master card/Visa and keeps growing). Countries all practice protectionsm to some extent, when they do other countries might go to WTO and file a complain, this takes years for the WTO to take a decision, and even then the country can apeal it, which again takes time/years for a final one. By this time the said country has already cornered the local market and acquired the scale necessary to go overseas and compete with foreign ones(e.g your Unionpay).

So you just have to stop using WTO excuse admit your government was incompetent on this one. They should have imposed their own OS long ago. and today we wouldnt be talking about Android/IOS in china. in fact maybe they will be competing overseas by now. You say a few years back you lack the technological know how, yes but not that much. In fact i read somewhere that for example your WPS(kingsoft office similar to MS word) was created almost same year as microsoft office and has grown quite well today and is almost as good as MS office but is used mostly internationally, but domestically it still has just about 10% of chinese domestic market while MS office corners over 75-80%. Do you see the irony here? Your CCP doesnt even encourage its own local tech companies properly, same with IBM who dominates your server market and has recently won several contracts recently with your largest bank ICBC for their data storage (soon all your banking system data will be analysed at the pentagon/CIA.) even though i read an equivalent called Inspure or something(dont know if i spell it right)
Believe me if this was say in Japan it will be the dominant one as i know Japanese are very nationalistic and tend to favour their local companies irregardless of if their product may lag a little behind those of the west or not..

My friend, stop talking nonsense. We can't ban US tech firm without a clear justification or it will just be read as anti-FDI which our reform clearly indicated otherwise. You have to also understand that the NSA revelation is just one part of the reason. The other reason being US banned our tech firm from operating in the US, therefore it is a tat-for-tat which will have long-term benefit for our local industry. I must say the US did us a big favor in the NSA program and from making it impossible for China tech firm to do business in the US.

Look my friend, our ecosystem is rather young and still need decades to mature. All you talk about are really young tech firm and just start to expand. With our govt banning US tech, it will have massive impact in the next few decades. You just have to wait and see the result. I hate talking without result.

 

[jammersat]

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