China to invest $400 billion in Iran, station 5000 troops

[Beast]

Nope. You should read history. Originally, then-President Harry Truman had declared a military nonintervention policy for Taiwan, effectively signaling that should the newly-formed People’s Republic of China launch a full-scale invasion, the United States would not interfere. The US at the time didn't have much enmity with the newly formed PRC or Mao, in fact many US military officials knew Mao since they had regular contacts during their training of Chinese(both KMT and CCP) forces against the Japanese during WWII.
That policy all changed with the advent of the Korean War, which brought the U.S. and the PRC into conflict. Truman deployed the U.S. Seventh Fleet to the Taiwan Straits to signal new U.S. opposition to a PRC military strike against the island.
But with the Korean War ending, there was some uncertainty over what would become of the U.S. commitment to Taiwan. Eisenhower lifted the U.S. naval blockade of the straits in 1953(by the end of the Korean war). Both the Nationalists and the PRC took advantage of the opportunity to restart hostilities. In particular, the PRC began to bomb the outlying islands of Kinmen and Matsu, where Nationalist troops were massing, sparking what came to be known as the First Taiwan Strait Crisis.
In response, the U.S. under Eisenhower(NOTE THAT he is still loved by Taiwan even today since they consider him the one who saved them from PRC) made clear for the first time that the United States was formally committed to defending Taiwan from armed attack. The Mutual DefenCe Treaty between the United States of America and the Republic of China was signed in 1954, with both sides pledging to aid each other in the case of a military attack and that was later adopted by U.S senate.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/taiwan-strait-crises

So as you can see, Mao lost the opportunity to invade Taiwan earlier by choosing to aid the Kim dynasty first. It's a known fact that many people agree with. However some think it was a mistake by Mao, some think it was not. Personally I think it was a big blunder by Mao. But it depends on how we all see things.

US supplies large number of weapons to KMT and you claim that is non interference? That is indirectly going against CPC. Mao interference in Korea war won Stalin support. Which pour large number of tech and resources help China industrialized in the 50s to 60s. If Mao didn't involved in Korea war. Such help is not possible and US wouldn't help PRC too.

 

[vi-va]

Nope. You should read history. Originally, then-President Harry Truman had declared a military nonintervention policy for Taiwan, effectively signaling that should the newly-formed People’s Republic of China launch a full-scale invasion, the United States would not interfere. The US at the time didn't have much enmity with the newly formed PRC or Mao, in fact many US military officials knew Mao since they had regular contacts during their training of Chinese(both KMT and CCP) forces against the Japanese during WWII.
That policy all changed with the advent of the Korean War, which brought the U.S. and the PRC into conflict. Truman deployed the U.S. Seventh Fleet to the Taiwan Straits to signal new U.S. opposition to a PRC military strike against the island.
But with the Korean War ending, there was some uncertainty over what would become of the U.S. commitment to Taiwan. Eisenhower lifted the U.S. naval blockade of the straits in 1953(by the end of the Korean war). Both the Nationalists and the PRC took advantage of the opportunity to restart hostilities. In particular, the PRC began to bomb the outlying islands of Kinmen and Matsu, where Nationalist troops were massing, sparking what came to be known as the First Taiwan Strait Crisis.
In response, the U.S. under Eisenhower(NOTE THAT he is still loved by Taiwan even today since they consider him the one who saved them from PRC) made clear for the first time that the United States was formally committed to defending Taiwan from armed attack. The Mutual DefenCe Treaty between the United States of America and the Republic of China was signed in 1954, with both sides pledging to aid each other in the case of a military attack and that was later adopted by U.S senate.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/taiwan-strait-crises

So as you can see, Mao lost the opportunity to invade Taiwan earlier by choosing to aid the Kim dynasty first. It's a known fact that many people agree with. However some think it was a mistake by Mao, some think it was not. Personally I think it was a big blunder by Mao. But it depends on how we all see things.

To understand the situation and what strategy Mao could choose, we need to know what USSR and US want.

USSR need a regime in northern China which is dependent on USSR. US need the same thing which is KMT.

When KMT defeated by CCP in mainland China, US want to keep Taiwan as a check against CCP, so that US interest could be reserved. So what kind of interest? Tons of unequal treaty.

When deeply corrupted and coward KMT was in charge, US interest in mainland China will be protected. When CCP is in charge, US has no confidence. Actually Mao declared all unequal treaties in past hundreds years is bull$hit and must be abrogated. In that case, you think US will be neutral? Absolutely NO, NO, NO.

CCP in 1949 has not enough navy force to conquer Taiwan Strait and repeat Battle in Normandy in 1950. KMT took all the battle ships to Taiwan. What could be even worse, CCP military force will be cut by Taiwan Strait when US interfere in the middle of battle. You think Chairman Mao will take that risk with US hostility?

CCP has much more important things to do than taking back Taiwan, such as Xinjiang, Tibet in 1949. Taiwan was not strategically as important as Xinjiang and Tibet in 1949. Taiwan is too damn close to China, it won't swim away. China can and will take back Taiwan sooner or later.

In the opposite, Korean Peninsula has much heavier weight than Taiwan in 1950. To understand that, you need to read China history, especially how Song dynasty, Ming dynasty defeated and how Japan invaded China.

You think you are smarter than Chairman Mao and has better strategy? Chairman Mao is one of the greatest geopolitical masters in history and master of military.

The more I learn Chinese history in 19th, 20th, the more I admire Chairman Mao. Chairman Mao is the greatest man in China history imo.

 

[khansaheeb]

Not sarcasm. In real politics, sometimes it’s necessary to swallow the pride. You can’t feed the population by pride. Nor can protect the country. It’s not worth to give the country’s future into the hands of fanatics.

Where would Lions be without a pride?

 

[Nan Yang]

No offense. As long as Iran sticks to religious fanaticism and habors anti US sentiment, the country has no future. The only thing it gets is more sufferings. I will see if the chinese will commit economic suicide if investing large forex reserves and increasing tension with America. Instead, Iran should swallow the pride and make a deal with the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia.

Not entirely true. Iran did elect a reformist to improve relationships with the West. The results was the Iran Nuclear deal which US was also a signatory. So it is not true to say Iran wanted to go against US head on. It was Trump and his NSA Bolton. Trump/Bolton Middle East policy is solely based on Anti Iran. If you know Bolton you will know attacking Iran was Bolton pet project from very long ago even way before Trump.

As for religious fanaticism, Iran is hardly run by fanatic people. Fanatics are the Sunnis. Osama is a Sunni, Al Qaeda is Sunni, Talibans are Sunni, Suicide bombers are Sunni, Terrorists cutting people head off are Sunni, IS are Sunnis.
Iran Shiites on the other hand are a minority and are often the targets of Sunni suicide bombs especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran is a country run by rational people. They know how to build ballistic missiles and have send satellite to space. They recently built an advance Uranium centrifuge.
Irrational people are like MBS. He sends assassination squads to Turkey and thinks he could get away it it.

China needs Iran as its location is strategic. The route to the Middle East market for China. Its win - win for both China and Iran.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

This same post has already been closed last week, on Tuesday 10th September 2019, by the mod @Serpentine who deemed it as "Obviously fake news. Thread closed."

How can 0 MB memory (low IQs) continue to debate here for 5 pages of verbiage and sophistry, only illustrates and exposes the professional F.S.B. trolls working hand in glove with their C.I.A. partners in furthering their common ulterior motives.

Original post:
Iran to allow 5,000 Chinese soldiers in country to guard $280bn investment from Beijing: report
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...-investment-from-beijing-report.634867/page-2


Indeed, thread jacking over five pages from two deluded loosers, unable to cope with the reality of their lost status as former 20th century world powers!

And still living in a parallel fantasy world!

As already stated, both the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. have been obliterated soon after the end of WWII.

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▲ The white european order quickly defeated indeed, as depicted in Heart Of Iron II!
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▲ Dien Bien Phu, or the beginning of the end of the French Empire
Street lamp post as a FUGO hovering over the world, notice the purple death ray

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▲ Dien Bien Phu, or the beginning of the end of the French Empire
Street lamp post as a FUGO hovering over the world, notice the purple death ray

Spoiler: Links

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▲ The white european order quickly defeated indeed!

And indeed, the white european order did not resist very long back in 1947!

Worse still, the 2019 ultimate geopolitical goal of deluded fools: a tri-polar White Viking World Hegemony shared between Slavs, Germans, and Anglo-saxons!

Thus blaming it on the Jews, the Afro-asians, for having shattered after 1945 their all-European world order!

▲ 5. Two centuries of White Viking World Hegemony pipe dream is enough!

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Ultimate fruit of desperation, childish pipe dream of a white hegemonic world order fantasy, as produced by fanboy studios in Moscow!

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▲ 7. Delusion as produced by fanboy studios in Moscow!

Just deal with it!

 

[somsak]

Vietnam has 2 different history. North, and South. North was, in many cases, the descendants of Chinese rebels or general freed the execution. Kind of like Taiwan today.
The indigenous south whose ancestors are Cham, Khmer are the conquered people. Later forced to be Vietnamese. During colonial era, South Vietnam was more friendly with French master than the north. I guess @Viet represent the southern mindset. There's another member AViet whose mindset represent the North Vietnam.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

It was to be expected.

Now that Trump has crossed the Rubicon, the U.S.' War on Iran is inevitable!

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
3:50 PM - 15 Sep 2019

Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173368423381962752
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For the Trump lovers:

 

[mike2000 is back]

To understand the situation and what strategy Mao could choose, we need to know what USSR and US want.

USSR need a regime in northern China which is dependent on USSR. US need the same thing which is KMT.

When KMT defeated by CCP in mainland China, US want to keep Taiwan as a check against CCP, so that US interest could be reserved. So what kind of

If US wanted that they would have signed a mutual defence treaty with Taiwan immediately after the CCP seized power in China. They didn't and Truman even said so publicly because the US didn't really care about Taiwan or even the KMT that much (they were exasperated with Chiang long ago even during WWII) . Moreover the US was still hedging it's bets since they thought they could still work with Mao who they already had been in contact with during the fight against the Japanese. It was the Korean war which opened hostilities between the US and China and defined the coming hostile relationship between the 2 countries for the coming decades after that.
Moreover the USSR under Stalin already had a regime in China which they could control, in fact it was stalin who treated Mao with contempt and even less than a junior(something Mao latter complained about ) and tried to force unequal treaties upon China. The US didn't have any territorial ambitions over China they just wanted China by their side to act as another hedge against the USSR(Who was the US main rival, not China).

When deeply corrupted and coward KMT was in charge, US interest in mainland China will be protected. When CCP is in charge, US has no confidence. Actually Mao declared all unequal treaties in past hundreds years is bull$hit and must be abrogated. In that case, you think US will be neutral? Absolutely NO, NO, NO.

CCP in 1949 has not enough navy force to conquer Taiwan Strait and repeat Battle in Normandy in 1950. KMT took all the battle ships to Taiwan. What could be even worse, CCP military force will be cut by Taiwan Strait when US interfere in the middle of battle. You think Chairman Mao will take that risk with US hostility?

CCP has much more important things to do than taking back Taiwan, such as Xinjiang, Tibet in 1949. Taiwan was not strategically as important as Xinjiang and Tibet in 1949. Taiwan is too damn close to China, it won't swim away. China can and will take back Taiwan sooner or later.

In the opposite, Korean Peninsula has much heavier weight than Taiwan in 1950. To understand that, you need to read China history, especially how Song dynasty, Ming dynasty defeated and how Japan invaded China.

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You misunderstood, KMT inherited a country who under intense turmoil , with warlords present all over the country and finances by different foreign powers(Russia, UK,FRANCE,JAPAN) with their foreign confessions. The country was weak with virtually no real government and fractured. The KMT had to rebuild something like a semblant of a Chinese army from nothing to fight and retake the territory held by many of these warlords who reign with impunity over China. The Soviets under Stalin financed and sponsored the CCP who were still a small force back then to grow up and at one point the CCP and KMT even United to defeat all the warlords and unite China under one government. However , as it's always the case with people and power(2 tigers can't share the same mountain) there was a case of who was going to take power after all the warlords were defeated , so the infighting started which led to full blown war between the 2. In fact the KMT had almost crushed the CCP when Japan decided to invade not just Manchuria which they already controlled but the whole of China (that was the start of WWII). So tell me how you expected the KMT to rule a country properly under such conditions. Even if it was the CCP who was in control things wouldn't have been much different to be honest. It's always easy to judge things when you are in opposition until you get there. Lol
Nope, China had drawn a plan for Taiwan's invasion. It was the Korean war that diverted Mao's attention and made him redefine his plan. Without the Kim dynasty starting the Korean war the CCP would have invaded Taiwan,and no the US back then had no intention of intervening. They had already said so publicly. Why will they lie? It's not like they were scared of China.
Xinjiang and Tibet were almost under control already by 1950. How was Korea a foreign country more important than reuniting your own territory? I'm baffled. So you mean it was better to help Kim than reunify your country? Ok everybody have their opinion anyway.

You think you are smarter than Chairman Mao and has better strategy? Chairman Mao is one of the greatest geopolitical masters in history and master of military.

The more I learn Chinese history in 19th, 20th, the more I admire Chairman Mao. Chairman Mao is the greatest man in China history

We re looking at things that o cured in the past. Of course we can see things now better than those who were involved back then. Simply because we already know what happend and can make observations in a more sound way. Of course you can admire Mao it's your opinion. Many dont for their own reason , some do. To each their own.
However,just because you admire someone doesn't means that you can point out the mistakes and blunder they did. Do you even know that for example Mao willingly gave your territory to Vietnam back during the late 50s?

https://thediplomat.com/2019/08/the-south-china-sea-island-china-gave-away/

As I said before, you can admire someone and still admit to the many mistakes they did. Mao also committed lots of blunders, don't see why you guys always blame only the KMT( they were the ones who even came up with nine dash line and even claimed more territory for China than the PRC funny enough (something most people forget) .

 

[Beast]

The more I learn Chinese history in 19th, 20th, the more I admire Chairman Mao. Chairman Mao is the greatest man in China history imo.

Mao is good only in fighting civil war but is bad when comes to managing economy and governing of China. But still his credit for uniting China cannot be diminish.

When comes to Korean war, after PVA pushed UN soldiers out of 38th parallel line. Peng Dehuai suggest to stop the war but the naive Mao think US is really paper tiger and insist a major campaign intend to push UN soldiers completely out of Korea. The firepower of US is too strong in plain terrain and PVA has a few division decimated during Seoul campaign and wasted unnecessary manpower and lives.

 

[Viet]

Where would Lions be without a pride?

A smart lion moves on. Iran is like a wounded lion, why not swallow the pride and leads a herd to another grass land? It’s not worth to fight until the bitter end.

Vietnam has 2 different history. North, and South. North was, in many cases, the descendants of Chinese rebels or general freed the execution. Kind of like Taiwan today.
The indigenous south whose ancestors are Cham, Khmer are the conquered people. Later forced to be Vietnamese. During colonial era, South Vietnam was more friendly with French master than the north. I guess @Viet represent the southern mindset. There's another member AViet whose mindset represent the North Vietnam.

What a nonsense!
Genetics, north and southern Viets share the same root, same identity

Until Vietnam’s decisive victory over Champa, any interaction was forbidden by the chinese central court. How could both people nations be mixed? In the case of Cambodia, the country was Vietnam’s colony. Forget intermarriage.

But ok you are right in one point. South Viet are more distant to China in contrast to Northerner. However that change in mentality goes back to the time of the Ming, not just since the arrival of the French.

We are off topic.

 

[OIO]

Mao is good only in fighting civil war but is bad when comes to managing economy and governing of China. But still his credit for uniting China cannot be diminish.

When comes to Korean war, after PVA pushed UN soldiers out of 38th parallel line. Peng Dehuai suggest to stop the war but the naive Mao think US is really paper tiger and insist a major campaign intend to push UN soldiers completely out of Korea. The firepower of US is too strong in plain terrain and PVA has a few division decimated during Seoul campaign and wasted unnecessary manpower and lives.

China must fight until UN army asked for a peace treaty.

 

[cochine]

Vietnam has 2 different history. North, and South. North was, in many cases, the descendants of Chinese rebels or general freed the execution. Kind of like Taiwan today.
The indigenous south whose ancestors are Cham, Khmer are the conquered people. Later forced to be Vietnamese. During colonial era, South Vietnam was more friendly with French master than the north. I guess @Viet represent the southern mindset. There's another member AViet whose mindset represent the North Vietnam.

Genetically Vietnamese is closed to Thai/Katay people, and not related to Southern Chinese nor northern Chinese.

 

[somsak]

A smart lion moves on. Iran is like a wounded lion, why not swallow the pride and leads a herd to another grass land? It’s not worth to fight until the bitter end.


What a nonsense!
Genetics, north and southern Viets share the same root, same identity

Until Vietnam’s decisive victory over Champa, any interaction was forbidden by the chinese central court. How could both people nations be mixed? In the case of Cambodia, the country was Vietnam’s colony. Forget intermarriage.

But ok you are right in one point. South Viet are more distant to China in contrast to Northerner. However that change in mentality goes back to the time of the Ming, not just since the arrival of the French.

We are off topic.

During the.time North.Vietnam was aprovince of China, there were a lot of Han migration to.new land.

During the next several hundred years of Chinese colonization and domination, sinification of the newly conquered Nanyue was brought about by a combination of Han imperial military power, regular settlement and an influx of Han Chinese refugees, officers and garrisons, merchants, scholars, bureaucrats, fugitives, and prisoners of war.[9][10][11] At the same time, Chinese officials were interested in exploiting the region's natural resources and trade potential

A smart lion moves on. Iran is like a wounded lion, why not swallow the pride and leads a herd to another grass land? It’s not worth to fight until the bitter end.


What a nonsense!
Genetics, north and southern Viets share the same root, same identity

Until Vietnam’s decisive victory over Champa, any interaction was forbidden by the chinese central court. How could both people nations be mixed? In the case of Cambodia, the country was Vietnam’s colony. Forget intermarriage.

But ok you are right in one point. South Viet are more distant to China in contrast to Northerner. However that change in mentality goes back to the time of the Ming, not just since the arrival of the French.

We are off topic.

There were.Han settlers of many professions to Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chinese_domination_of_Vietnam

2. Saigon was.called Prinakhora meaning Forest City.It was a Khmer city.

 

[Brainsucker]

It's funny that the thread derailed so far to this extend, LOL. SO what about China investment in Iran and how will US react to this? Isn't that the topic of this thread?

 

[somsak]

Genetically Vietnamese is closed to Tha/Katay people, and not related to Southern Chinese nor northern Chinese.

For South.Vietnam, Yes. For North.Vietnam, more.like East.Asia. Example: Ho Chimin

Sorry for DERAIL.Please.continue on.Iran