China to allow two children for all couples

[CHN Bamboo]

If you have boy ,you have to work harder,preprare the money for your son forture wedding,cause the girl will not marry a man without the appartment in the city while the people in the countryside like boy traditionally.

Nope,I am as tired as a dog.

The playground used to look like this.

Now it looks this

Hope this helps

They arent as bad as these.

 

[LowPost]

China's child policy change positive: Canadian experts

VANCOUVER, Oct. 30 (Xinhua) -- Canadian experts said China's new policy allowing Chinese couples to have two children is "not surprising" and is a "positive change.

On Thursday, the Communist Party of China (CPC) announced a decision to eliminate the country's one-child policy after a key meeting.

The change of policy is intended to balance population development and address the challenge of an aging population, according to a communique issued following the Fifth Plenary Session of the 18th CPC Central Committee.

"Today's move isn't surprising, as it has been a slow, deliberate process, and there had been hints of things moving in this direction," said Yves Tiberghien, director of the University of British Columbia (UBC)'s Institute of Asian Research.

"I think it's a very positive change," said Douglas Cannon, a lawyer of Elgin Cannon & Associates in Vancouver.

"Hopefully this will improve the state of health for Chinese citizens, their economy, and - quite frankly - their family lives," he said.

China's child policy change positive: Canadian experts - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[liubang]

Let us say that it was necessary.

The problem is that once we concede that something is necessary, most people would dismiss further thoughts of consequences. They think that if something is necessary, it must have been a good thing and that any and every consequences would be equally good.

hmm no, I am viewed this at eventually people need to eat each others as resource running out at some point.

There are always consequences, always. Each countries has their own unique population problem.

But the nature of humans is self interest. If you think India will get to a point of no return, would you think individuals make the sacrifice? Or the use of force will be mandatory at some point. Laws are the usage of force. In the usa, we have laws. Different sort of laws. Just be glad that the chinese are doing and not us. As far as I am concern they took 1 for the team. Just be glad, that the chinese suffered pollution right now and not us. So we can have our cheap products.

I shudder to think what Americans would do. Thank gosh the Catholics who think we should breed like rabbits are a few and far in between. But because of the baby boomer generation, young to old ratio has been causing problem to social security and medicare.

2 child policy is good. I wonder because it just 2, they probably don't have the baby boomer generation like in the USA. To be honest, the current old chineses are probably liking to the usa baby boomer generation due to 1 child policy hence the ratio of old to young would be off.

I take it for what it is.

 

[xyxmt]

and next day couples with one child did not show up for work

 

[CHN Bamboo]

and next day couples with one child did not show up for work

Oh...This day I come to my computer...
Oh...You are Pakistani!!I thought u r Chinese……(One day I even post Chinese articles to u...)

Time to make more babies, keep it up China your population will be doubled. Lol, if China land get full spill out to Vietnam or India. Lol

China's fertility rate is low.Population will decline soon.
You'd better care India.

 

[Kyle Sun]

it is too late.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

it is too late.

What is too late?

Just a fascinating piece.

To note here, I don't agree with everything in the piece.

Demographer from Peking University says it will take 100 years to balance China's population

A professor from Peking University has said that even after abandoning the one-child policy, China will still need 100 years to bring about a balanced demographic structure.

In an interview with Duowei News, Guo Zhigang, a professor from Peking University's Institute of Sociology and Anthropology, says that the impact of the one-child policy will continue to be felt for decades to come.

Guo says that by 2050 the country will have 500 million people over the age of 65, constituting over a third of China's population. "We need at least 100 years to alter the demographic structure," explained Guo. "China needs a steady birth rate and stop pursuing a low birth rate for a long time to change things.

"The children who are born today will be 20 years old in 2035 and will be the backbone of the workforce. If we have enough people in their 20s to support the aging population, China won't have to worry about the demographic problem," Guo said.

Guo claims that the government has misrepresented China's true growth rate over the past 20 years, with figures from his own research putting the actual figure at around 1.3-1.4 as opposed to the official birth rate which has stood at 1.87. A birth rate of 2.1 is required for population replacement.

If the country can get through the tricky period between 2030 to 2070, Guo believes that China's demographic transition will be mostly complete. If not, the aging population will cause many societal problems.

Demographer from Peking University says it will take 100 years to balance China's population: Shanghaiist

 

[Huan]

Link: Population of China (2015) - Worldometers

China's Population: 1,404,834,000+ and counting

China's Population by 2050: 1,384,976,976 with a death rate around -5,822,000 Chinese people per year?? <--scary (mass genocide level)

@Chinese Bamboo @TaiShang @Chinese-Dragon @Martian2 @Jlaw

 

[CHN Bamboo]

Link: Population of China (2015) - Worldometers

China's Population: 1,404,834,000+ and counting

China's Population by 2050: 1,384,976,976 with a death rate around -5,822,000 Chinese people per year?? <--scary (mass genocide level)

@Chinese Bamboo @TaiShang @Chinese-Dragon @Martian2 @Jlaw

A generation which includes the largest amount of people is gradually getting older,when they died...China's population will decline..
China's population structure is terrible now.

 

[xyxmt]

Oh...This day I come to my computer...
Oh...You are Pakistani!!I thought u r Chinese……(One day I even post Chinese articles to u...)
.

you must be single then

 

[CHN Bamboo]

you must be single then

I dont understand what u mean.

 

[Zsari]

What China labour shortage?
Published 23rd April 22:00 HKT
Revised 24th April 12:00 HKT

Background: In 2012 China’s labour forced reached its inflexion point, when the working population dropped from its peak the year before, to 937.27 million. Cue domestic media fretting about China losing its competitive edge in manufacturing and exports, as a shortfall in labour would cause factory wages to rise. Checking headlines recently, the story resurfaces, as the local media talks of wages in some SE Asia countries a third cheaper than China, and the foreign media reports of an exodus of international companies to SE Asia. This was one of the Chinese media predictions in the last post.

But how can we explain the contradiction of an economy apparently experiencing a labour shortage, and at the same time, university graduates still finding it tough to find jobs? Fear not says one renowned Chinese academic, who believes that China will not only continue to enjoy a labour surplus in the long term, but the challenge will be in ensuring enough jobs are available as China’s economy continues to upgrade. This means China’s economy still has plenty of room for growth in the foreseeable future.

Li Tie, Director-General of the China Center for Urban Development, an expert who’s assisted the Central Government and State Council in drafting urbanisation laws, offers a different viewpoint to Netease news today. Li argues that the difficulties for Chinese graduates in finding employment are a symptom of structural oversupply in the labour market, which can be fixed by market forces, and China’s rural population still has an excess supply of labour. The key to unlocking this labour pool lies in pushing ahead with hukou and land reform.

Li’s main arguments why there won’t be a labour shortfall:-

1.) “It’s a mistake to read too much from this short term phenomenon. We currently have about 800 million rural residents, of which 600 million permanently reside in the countryside. Each rural resident has on average 0.1334 hectares of land. But a more appropriate land holding to be economically productive would be each resident holding around 0.677 hectares of land. If we’re not able to unleash this labour force, then we’ll never be able to solve the countryside’s problems.”
2.) “If we look at the situation in the cities, the problems are just as bad. Due to structural changes in industry, labour intensive industries will make up less of the overall economy, meaning more and more capital and technology replacing labour. We’ve already seen in the past reports of robots replacing humans in Dongguan’s factories, or in Zhejiang local policy to install more robots. These are efforts by factories to reduce labour costs, increase their technology capabilities, and at the same time be less reliant on labour.”
3.) “Another phenomenon is that of capital substituting for labour. Now there are many companies occupying large amounts of land, investing huge amounts, but their ability to take on labour is substantially less. China is a country rich in labour supply. If we consider the supply of labour from the countryside, already 250 million have migrated, but that still leaves over 200 million potential workers, then how are we going to absorb them all? This is the problem we need to address.”
4.) “China already has a migrant working population, their employment ‘golden age’ being 16-45, and after 45 years old, they return to the countryside to work the land. But this means their labour goes unused for 15 years, a period which can also be considered a prime time for employment. Its a waste of a time in ones life when one’s maturity, technical knowledge and experience all peak. But its because hukou reform is still incomplete, that this pool of labour remains untapped.”

“So with this excess supply of labour, and at the same time labour lying idle, you tell me where’s the evidence that China’s losing its ‘labour dividend’?”

So how does Li hope to solve the tough graduate job market?

Well he doesn’t, at least not by direct government intervention. Li argues that the 7.49 million graduates experiencing difficulties in finding work this year is quite normal. In any market economy it can be seen that it takes time for demand and supply to reach equilibrium, so there won’t necessarily be balanced growth. In time the education system will adjust to meet the needs of industry, and provide a supply of graduates with suitable qualifications.

And the reports of foreign firms leaving China?

“Well of course foreign enterprise will consider the rising labour costs when deciding to relocate from China. But in discussions I’ve had with foreign firms, they mention they still want to tap China’s market, just not produce here anymore. This means China’s economy has reached the stage of development where a rise in labour costs is inevitable. Secondly, our ability to accommodate rising environmental, land and labour costs is diminishing, which means some industries need replacing with new ones. This can be seen in not just in industrial sector, but in the service sector as well.”

“So if you’re looking at the China market, there’ll be more employment opportunities in the service sector. As China’s urbanisation rate increases from 50% to 60%, then you’ll see quick growth in the service sector, so the service sector still has plenty of capacity to absorb the workforce. In developed countries the service sector employs about two to three even four times that of industry, whereas in China its about equal, so there’s still room for growth, but it requires changes in city and urbanisation policies.”

In other words China will still face the historical challenge of finding employment for its massive population, a problem which the government must prioritise over other economic goals, in order to maintain social stability. But this article also highlights the growth potential which still resides in China, especially in the growing service sector, which the government plans on unlocking through reform. Another positive is the government’s desire that market forces should decide employment allocations, although time will tell if this proves to be the case.

 

[Jlaw]

What China labour shortage?
Published 23rd April 22:00 HKT
Revised 24th April 12:00 HKT

Background: In 2012 China’s labour forced reached its inflexion point, when the working population dropped from its peak the year before, to 937.27 million. Cue domestic media fretting about China losing its competitive edge in manufacturing and exports, as a shortfall in labour would cause factory wages to rise. Checking headlines recently, the story resurfaces, as the local media talks of wages in some SE Asia countries a third cheaper than China, and the foreign media reports of an exodus of international companies to SE Asia. This was one of the Chinese media predictions in the last post.

But how can we explain the contradiction of an economy apparently experiencing a labour shortage, and at the same time, university graduates still finding it tough to find jobs? Fear not says one renowned Chinese academic, who believes that China will not only continue to enjoy a labour surplus in the long term, but the challenge will be in ensuring enough jobs are available as China’s economy continues to upgrade. This means China’s economy still has plenty of room for growth in the foreseeable future.

Li Tie, Director-General of the China Center for Urban Development, an expert who’s assisted the Central Government and State Council in drafting urbanisation laws, offers a different viewpoint to Netease news today. Li argues that the difficulties for Chinese graduates in finding employment are a symptom of structural oversupply in the labour market, which can be fixed by market forces, and China’s rural population still has an excess supply of labour. The key to unlocking this labour pool lies in pushing ahead with hukou and land reform.

Li’s main arguments why there won’t be a labour shortfall:-

1.) “It’s a mistake to read too much from this short term phenomenon. We currently have about 800 million rural residents, of which 600 million permanently reside in the countryside. Each rural resident has on average 0.1334 hectares of land. But a more appropriate land holding to be economically productive would be each resident holding around 0.677 hectares of land. If we’re not able to unleash this labour force, then we’ll never be able to solve the countryside’s problems.”
2.) “If we look at the situation in the cities, the problems are just as bad. Due to structural changes in industry, labour intensive industries will make up less of the overall economy, meaning more and more capital and technology replacing labour. We’ve already seen in the past reports of robots replacing humans in Dongguan’s factories, or in Zhejiang local policy to install more robots. These are efforts by factories to reduce labour costs, increase their technology capabilities, and at the same time be less reliant on labour.”
3.) “Another phenomenon is that of capital substituting for labour. Now there are many companies occupying large amounts of land, investing huge amounts, but their ability to take on labour is substantially less. China is a country rich in labour supply. If we consider the supply of labour from the countryside, already 250 million have migrated, but that still leaves over 200 million potential workers, then how are we going to absorb them all? This is the problem we need to address.”
4.) “China already has a migrant working population, their employment ‘golden age’ being 16-45, and after 45 years old, they return to the countryside to work the land. But this means their labour goes unused for 15 years, a period which can also be considered a prime time for employment. Its a waste of a time in ones life when one’s maturity, technical knowledge and experience all peak. But its because hukou reform is still incomplete, that this pool of labour remains untapped.”

“So with this excess supply of labour, and at the same time labour lying idle, you tell me where’s the evidence that China’s losing its ‘labour dividend’?”

So how does Li hope to solve the tough graduate job market?

Well he doesn’t, at least not by direct government intervention. Li argues that the 7.49 million graduates experiencing difficulties in finding work this year is quite normal. In any market economy it can be seen that it takes time for demand and supply to reach equilibrium, so there won’t necessarily be balanced growth. In time the education system will adjust to meet the needs of industry, and provide a supply of graduates with suitable qualifications.

And the reports of foreign firms leaving China?

“Well of course foreign enterprise will consider the rising labour costs when deciding to relocate from China. But in discussions I’ve had with foreign firms, they mention they still want to tap China’s market, just not produce here anymore. This means China’s economy has reached the stage of development where a rise in labour costs is inevitable. Secondly, our ability to accommodate rising environmental, land and labour costs is diminishing, which means some industries need replacing with new ones. This can be seen in not just in industrial sector, but in the service sector as well.”

“So if you’re looking at the China market, there’ll be more employment opportunities in the service sector. As China’s urbanisation rate increases from 50% to 60%, then you’ll see quick growth in the service sector, so the service sector still has plenty of capacity to absorb the workforce. In developed countries the service sector employs about two to three even four times that of industry, whereas in China its about equal, so there’s still room for growth, but it requires changes in city and urbanisation policies.”

In other words China will still face the historical challenge of finding employment for its massive population, a problem which the government must prioritise over other economic goals, in order to maintain social stability. But this article also highlights the growth potential which still resides in China, especially in the growing service sector, which the government plans on unlocking through reform. Another positive is the government’s desire that market forces should decide employment allocations, although time will tell if this proves to be the case.

"Chinese labour shortage" and "rising wages" are the new western propaganda weapons currently being use against China. Before they used human rights but that got tiring. Am I right on this? @TaiShang @ChineseTiger1986

 

[Zsari]

"Chinese labour shortage" and "rising wages" are the new western propaganda weapons currently being use against China. Before they used human rights but that got tiring. Am I right on this? @TaiShang @ChineseTiger1986

Rather than a conspiracy, I think it is more of a case of a blind man feeling an elephant. A labor shortage does exist in some of the top tier cities for low paying position that fewer and fewer people are interested in, in every other sector however there are still unemployment challenges. The single most important reason why China needs to maintain high growth is because the economy needs to absorb millions of new graduates every year. Otherwise if the labor pool is stabilized or even on the decline, then a comfortable 4% growth will be suffice allowing the nation to fix some of the restructuring issue and other unintended consequence of extreme high growth of the past few decades.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

"Chinese labour shortage" and "rising wages" are the new western propaganda weapons currently being use against China. Before they used human rights but that got tiring. Am I right on this? @TaiShang @ChineseTiger1986

While I agree, some may raise the issue with malice, I have no such intention.

On the contrary, I think that CCP is more than capable to deal with the issue. For me, what is more important is that they consider this an issue.

Since the Deng era, China has almost always considered its population as a burden, rather than a blessing.

You are not in competition only with the US, but rather with the west in general, because ideology and political factors will almost always keep them aligned. That means North America, and Europe.

A large population endows many many benefits, and advantages.

Also, labor shortage and surplus is defined in terms of economic development and financial conditions. It is not a function of total population.

What China labour shortage?
Published 23rd April 22:00 HKT
Revised 24th April 12:00 HKT

Background: In 2012 China’s labour forced reached its inflexion point, when the working population dropped from its peak the year before, to 937.27 million. Cue domestic media fretting about China losing its competitive edge in manufacturing and exports, as a shortfall in labour would cause factory wages to rise. Checking headlines recently, the story resurfaces, as the local media talks of wages in some SE Asia countries a third cheaper than China, and the foreign media reports of an exodus of international companies to SE Asia. This was one of the Chinese media predictions in the last post.

But how can we explain the contradiction of an economy apparently experiencing a labour shortage, and at the same time, university graduates still finding it tough to find jobs? Fear not says one renowned Chinese academic, who believes that China will not only continue to enjoy a labour surplus in the long term, but the challenge will be in ensuring enough jobs are available as China’s economy continues to upgrade. This means China’s economy still has plenty of room for growth in the foreseeable future.

Li Tie, Director-General of the China Center for Urban Development, an expert who’s assisted the Central Government and State Council in drafting urbanisation laws, offers a different viewpoint to Netease news today. Li argues that the difficulties for Chinese graduates in finding employment are a symptom of structural oversupply in the labour market, which can be fixed by market forces, and China’s rural population still has an excess supply of labour. The key to unlocking this labour pool lies in pushing ahead with hukou and land reform.

Li’s main arguments why there won’t be a labour shortfall:-

1.) “It’s a mistake to read too much from this short term phenomenon. We currently have about 800 million rural residents, of which 600 million permanently reside in the countryside. Each rural resident has on average 0.1334 hectares of land. But a more appropriate land holding to be economically productive would be each resident holding around 0.677 hectares of land. If we’re not able to unleash this labour force, then we’ll never be able to solve the countryside’s problems.”
2.) “If we look at the situation in the cities, the problems are just as bad. Due to structural changes in industry, labour intensive industries will make up less of the overall economy, meaning more and more capital and technology replacing labour. We’ve already seen in the past reports of robots replacing humans in Dongguan’s factories, or in Zhejiang local policy to install more robots. These are efforts by factories to reduce labour costs, increase their technology capabilities, and at the same time be less reliant on labour.”
3.) “Another phenomenon is that of capital substituting for labour. Now there are many companies occupying large amounts of land, investing huge amounts, but their ability to take on labour is substantially less. China is a country rich in labour supply. If we consider the supply of labour from the countryside, already 250 million have migrated, but that still leaves over 200 million potential workers, then how are we going to absorb them all? This is the problem we need to address.”
4.) “China already has a migrant working population, their employment ‘golden age’ being 16-45, and after 45 years old, they return to the countryside to work the land. But this means their labour goes unused for 15 years, a period which can also be considered a prime time for employment. Its a waste of a time in ones life when one’s maturity, technical knowledge and experience all peak. But its because hukou reform is still incomplete, that this pool of labour remains untapped.”

“So with this excess supply of labour, and at the same time labour lying idle, you tell me where’s the evidence that China’s losing its ‘labour dividend’?”

So how does Li hope to solve the tough graduate job market?

Well he doesn’t, at least not by direct government intervention. Li argues that the 7.49 million graduates experiencing difficulties in finding work this year is quite normal. In any market economy it can be seen that it takes time for demand and supply to reach equilibrium, so there won’t necessarily be balanced growth. In time the education system will adjust to meet the needs of industry, and provide a supply of graduates with suitable qualifications.

And the reports of foreign firms leaving China?

“Well of course foreign enterprise will consider the rising labour costs when deciding to relocate from China. But in discussions I’ve had with foreign firms, they mention they still want to tap China’s market, just not produce here anymore. This means China’s economy has reached the stage of development where a rise in labour costs is inevitable. Secondly, our ability to accommodate rising environmental, land and labour costs is diminishing, which means some industries need replacing with new ones. This can be seen in not just in industrial sector, but in the service sector as well.”

“So if you’re looking at the China market, there’ll be more employment opportunities in the service sector. As China’s urbanisation rate increases from 50% to 60%, then you’ll see quick growth in the service sector, so the service sector still has plenty of capacity to absorb the workforce. In developed countries the service sector employs about two to three even four times that of industry, whereas in China its about equal, so there’s still room for growth, but it requires changes in city and urbanisation policies.”

In other words China will still face the historical challenge of finding employment for its massive population, a problem which the government must prioritise over other economic goals, in order to maintain social stability. But this article also highlights the growth potential which still resides in China, especially in the growing service sector, which the government plans on unlocking through reform. Another positive is the government’s desire that market forces should decide employment allocations, although time will tell if this proves to be the case.

Trust me, the unemployed people after college are so because there training isn't upto the marks. The education and training level should be improved, and more vocational education should be emphasized upon.

Secondly, there are many many flaws with the whole robot argument, which keep being reiterated again and again. Robots are necessary only to increase efficiency of humans. Not to replace them.