China thwarted action against JuD: Clinton

[9870]

It's not a racist word.

It originated from when Nehru said he was the leader of the Third-world (or something like that).

"A san" literally just means "three".

That's Wrong.

But still we find it racist as the way you find Chink.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

On defence.pk ?

Here is an article from DAWN, Pakistan's leading newspaper

Please read the highlighted text

OK how does that turn me into someone who supports the Mumbai attacks? I am literally gobsmacked that you would accuse me of such a thing.

 

[justanobserver]

Ok enough of the Hinduism vs Islam and 'chik' and 'ahsan' arguments. Please comment on this snippet:

Here is an article from DAWN, Pakistan's leading newspaper

Jamaat-ud-Dawa easily evades ban



LAHORE: Long-haired jihadis toting automatic weapons patrolled a mosque last week as the cleric who heads the militant network blamed for the Mumbai attacks preached inside. The group's supporters collected funds in the courtyard and later marched through this eastern Pakistani city, calling for the death of those who insult Islam.



Pakistan announced a ban on Jamaat-ud-Dawa - sealing the group's offices, freezing assets and rounding up leaders - amid international outrage after the 2008 siege of the Indian financial capital. But the group has scored a few wins in court against the government and is up and running again, exposing Islamabad's unwillingness to fully crack down on militants.



The resurgence of the group could chill the first round of peace talks between Pakistan and India since the attacks.

India is insisting the negotiations Thursday focus on Pakistan's efforts to rein in groups such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa; Pakistan wants all issues, including the disputed territory of Kashmir, to be on the table.



The United States has urged the two nuclear-armed nations to resume dialogue despite Indian concerns about the Pakistan's crackdown on militants.



India, the United States and the United Nations allege Jamaat is the front group for Lashkar-e-Taiba, which they charge carried out the attacks in December 2008 that killed 166 people in Mumbai. Seven militants identified as members of Lashkar by prosecutors are currently on trial in Pakistan charged with planning and carrying out the attacks. The sole surviving alleged gunman in the attacks, Ajmal Kasab, a Pakistani with links to Lashkar, is on trial in India.



Lashkar was founded in the 1980s by Hafiz Saeed with the assistance of Pakistan's security agencies to wage war against India in the hopes of wresting the Indian portion of Kashmir away from New Delhi. The group claimed responsibility for numerous attacks there, but the government banned it in 2002 following pressure from the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks.



Saeed is now the leader of Jamaat, which claims to be focused only on charity work. It runs a large network of Islamic schools and clinics, and participates in disaster relief.


Members of Jamaat say there is no link between it and Lashkar. But even Rana Sanaullah Khan, who is the law minister in Punjab, said the two are simply different wings of the same group.



After the Mumbai siege, Saeed, a 60-year-old former Islamic studies lecturer, was placed under house arrest but was freed in June last year by the Lahore High Court, which said there was no evidence he was involved in any wrongdoing. In October, a court ruled there was no case against Saeed and found that the government had never formally prohibited Jamaat. The government has appealed to the Supreme Court.



Even before the court ruling, however, critics said Pakistan was not aggressively enforcing the ban.



Saeed has exploited the legal limbo and openly challenges the government's attempts to tamp down his group.



On the government's Kashmir Solidarity Day earlier this month, Saeed addressed supporters in Lahore who waved Lashkar flags and shouted ''Here comes Lashkar to kill the Hindus.''



''If America with the help of Nato and all its weapons could not maintain its occupation in Afghanistan, India too will not be able to hold on to Kashmir anymore,'' Saeed told the crowd.



Frustration at the impunity groups like Jamaat seem to enjoy angers some lawmakers.



''It is shocking to see how banned terrorist organisations are allowed to challenge the writ of the state,'' Sherry Rehman, a lawmaker with the ruling party, told parliament on Tuesday.



''What is the point of our innocent civilians and soldiers dying in a borderless war against such terrorists, when armed, banned outfits can hold the whole nation hostage in the heart of Punjab's provincial capital?''



Security and government officials in Lahore offered several reasons for the lack of action against Saeed and his group. They said India had presented no evidence of his involvement in the Mumbai attacks; stressed he was not involved in any of the attacks by militants that have struck Pakistan over the last year, several of them in Lahore; and they said that closing the group's schools would deprive thousands of an education and health care.



But analysts said Pakistan had strategic reasons for not acting against Jamaat.



''Pakistan is keeping these groups as a gray area of its policy, and it will continue doing so long as there are no guaranteed steps from India,'' defense analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi said, referring to moves to resolve the Kashmir dispute. ''Pakistan does not see these groups as completely undesirable if there is no progress on its issues.''

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That's Wrong.

But still we find it racist as the way you find Chink.

Your excuses are poor.

I've never seen that phrase used on this forum, yet I have been called a Chink more times than I can count on my hands. It is SO common that a Moderator put up a permanent notice about it.

 

[justanobserver]

OK how does that turn me into someone who supports the Mumbai attacks? I am literally gobsmacked that you would accuse me of such a thing.

You still believe that JuD is a charity org, even after been shown evidence.

btw JuD has now been banned despite China's attempts

 

[luckyyy]

In fact I hope the Chinese government continues to PRESS this line of thought as much as possible.

so what next to press the line more....inviting bin ladin as cheiff guest on your next celibration day....

 

[9870]

I'm not.

Not anymore.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You still believe that JuD is a charity org, even after been shown evidence.

btw JuD has now been banned despite China's attempts

Yes that is what I thought after the things I have read.

How does that logically conclude with me being a supporter of the Mumbai terrorist attacks?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yeah let's do the 1962 dance.

 

[9870]

Your excuses are poor.

I've never seen that phrase used on this forum, yet I have been called a Chink more times than I can count on my hands. It is SO common that a Moderator put up a permanent notice about it.

That was a Poor Reply.

In one of your Previous Posts, you siad that you had been called a Chink on TOI and the Internet.

If it is not used on this forum, Then does it mean it is not Racist?

 

[CardSharp]

Frustrating ain't it?

 

[justanobserver]

Yes that is what I thought after the things I have read.

How does that logically conclude with me being a supporter of the Mumbai terrorist attacks?

However now you've read reports from legitimate Pakistani sources, you can even Google for Hafiz Saeeds rallies where he calls for the death of Hindus and a 'thousand Mumbais in India"

Now do you think differently?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That was a Poor Reply.

In one of your Previous Posts, you siad that you had been called a Chink on TOI and the Internet.

If it is not used on this forum, Then does it mean it is not Racist?

Buddy the word "three" isn't racist no matter which way you spin it.

Plus you guys can't read Chinese forums so the chances of you seeing it are next to zero.

Weep some more for your failures in 1962 buddy.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

However now you've read reports from legitimate Pakistani sources, you can even Google for Hafiz Saeeds rallies where he calls for the death of Hindus and a 'thousand Mumbais in India"

Now do you think differently?

I don't think anything really....

You expect me to know the fine minutiae of subcontinent politics, and when I give an opinion... I've suddenly turned into a "terrorist-supporter", labeled this by several Indian members including yourself.

Probably best to leave it there really. Zai jian...

 

[CardSharp]

This is pretty remarkable. Indians have managed to turn the opinions of two of the most pro-Indian Chinese members of the forum.