China threatens Canada with 'grave consequences' if Huawei CFO not freed

[SBUS-CXK]

India has nothing to do with this issue, but personally I’d prefer Nokia to get contract, as I have invested in it.

OK, let me explain that this thread is actually about competition between China and the US.
Canada is responsible for "maximizing the interests of the US"

I think Canada should be censored. Topic - Does Canada have independent sovereignty?

 

[Skull and Bones]

OK, let me explain that this thread is actually about competition between China and the US.
Canada is responsible for "maximizing the interests of the US"

I think Canada should be censored. Topic - Does Canada have independent sovereignty?

This thread is about violation against the US sanction by providing US tech to Iran.

 

[manga]

If there is no evidence, or the US is just using it to crack down on Huawei. Destroy Huawei's 5G technology... Where does India get 5G technology?

There are many options.
And we are not dying for 5g right now, we got all the time in the world.

You see what you can do to protect your ladies, dont drag india into this to do your job.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

If charges are filmsy that canadian court will decide.

Chinese themselves are not sure if canada will step back.

It depends on when the US gets the "relevant evidence"

OK, even if there is no evidence. The “World Police” can also arrest citizens of another country in a non-independent sovereign country.

 

[UKBengali]

There are many options.
And we are not dying for 5g right now, we got all the time in the world.

Imagine how China will act if it ever becomes developed?!

China is not a responsible country at all.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

This thread is about violation against the US sanction by providing US tech to Iran.

Good. Now ask Google, how many Western companies are offering technology to Iran.

@T-Rex

 

[Nilgiri]

She has been arrested on flimsy charges

That is for Canadian judge to decide. I would ask you to look up where the Canadian judiciary is in world institutional rankings.

any govt has the right to arrest any visitor without any reason..?

There is ample reason here for an arrest to be made on basis of extradition treaty signed and ratified long time ago (before most countries current political govt even existed...including that of China).

The Americans ordered them.

Although she was arrested by Canada, we all know that Canada is not a sovereign independent country, it is controlled by the United States. Canada needs to show its loyalty.

Look up what an extradition treaty is in legal jurisprudence....and be sure to apply this same line of posturing when ANY country does it for any other citizen ....and see how much water that will hold. May I remind you China has extradition law too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_China

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Imagine how China will act if it ever becomes developed?!

China is not a responsible country at all.

Imagine if China did not develop.

Now China has become Syria, Libya, Iraq... Bombed everyday...

If China is not responsible.... who in the world can bear China's anger?

That is for Canadian judge to decide. I would ask you to look up where the Canadian judiciary is in world institutional rankings.



There is ample reason here for an arrest to be made on basis of extradition treaty signed and ratified long time ago (before most countries current political govt even existed...including that of China).





Look up what an extradition treaty is in legal jurisprudence....and be sure to apply this same line of posturing when ANY country does it for any other citizen ....and see how much water that will hold. May I remind you China has extradition law too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_China

Maybe my expression is wrong.

Evidence?

 

[Nilgiri]

Evidence?

She will have her day in (US) court + best legal representation she can afford.... and thats when evidence + arguments (from both sides) enters the picture.

Right now this is the arrest stage (and evidence need not be disclosed for that, only probable cause)....and she happens to be in a country with extradition treaty to the US.

Formal charges (next stage) will be laid once she gets to the US (Canada has nothing to do with that)....should Canadian judge uphold the arrest (i.e probable cause) and that it is an extraditable crime (covered under the treaty with US) and proceed with extradition. Her legal team has every opportunity to argue (and even appeal) against all of this at all points.

 

[airmarshal]

You do not know that.

She freely chose to go to Canada and so Canada is well within it's rights to arrest her. Whether the charges are flimsy remains to be seen.

What right Canada has to arrest her?Did she commit any crime in Canada?

Canada is playing toady to Americans all the time. The problem is geopolitical not crime related. Huawei is giving serious competition to western tech companies. Its cellular equipment & cellphones are very competitive and its encroaching on the turf of Americans and its western allies.

She will have her day in (US) court + best legal representation she can afford.... and thats when evidence + arguments (from both sides) enters the picture.

Right now this is the arrest stage (and evidence need not be disclosed for that, only probable cause)....and she happens to be in a country with extradition treaty to the US.

Formal charges (next stage) will be laid once she gets to the US (Canada has nothing to do with that)....should Canadian judge uphold the arrest (i.e probable cause) and that it is an extraditable crime (covered under the treaty with US) and proceed with extradition. Her legal team has every opportunity to argue (and even appeal) against all of this at all points.

Ok. Thats great! So you accept American imperialism and want to live under this kind of slavery.

Canada has no right to arrest her on American behalf. And what kind of crime she has committed? Is she a global terrorist?

Formal charges (next stage) will be laid once she gets to the US (Canada has nothing to do with that)....should Canadian judge uphold the arrest (i.e probable cause) and that it is an extraditable crime (covered under the treaty with US) and proceed with extradition. Her legal team has every opportunity to argue (and even appeal) against all of this at all points.

Thats a fantastic line of thinking. You know when you have mentally accepted slavery, then there is nothing left to free you from it.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

She will have her day in (US) court + best legal representation she can afford.... and thats when evidence + arguments (from both sides) enters the picture.

Right now this is the arrest stage (and evidence need not be disclosed for that, only probable cause)....and she happens to be in a country with extradition treaty to the US.

Formal charges (next stage) will be laid once she gets to the US (Canada has nothing to do with that)....should Canadian judge uphold the arrest (i.e probable cause) and that it is an extraditable crime (covered under the treaty with US) and proceed with extradition. Her legal team has every opportunity to argue (and even appeal) against all of this at all points.

So there is no evidence to prove that she provides technology to Iran.

I remember a few years ago, an Indian female diplomat was arrested by American police at the airport. Now find evidence?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

China ban Apple from China market?

 

[Nilgiri]

What right Canada has to arrest her?Did she commit any crime in Canada?

Canada is playing toady to Americans all the time. The problem is geopolitical not crime related. Huawei is giving serious competition to western tech companies. Its cellular equipment & cellphones are very competitive and its encroaching on the turf of Americans and its western allies.



Ok. Thats great! So you accept American imperialism and want to live under this kind of slavery.

Canada has no right to arrest her on American behalf. And what kind of crime she has committed? Is she a global terrorist?

Formal charges (next stage) will be laid once she gets to the US (Canada has nothing to do with that)....should Canadian judge uphold the arrest (i.e probable cause) and that it is an extraditable crime (covered under the treaty with US) and proceed with extradition. Her legal team has every opportunity to argue (and even appeal) against all of this at all points.

Thats a fantastic line of thinking. You know when you have mentally accepted slavery, then there is nothing left to free you from it.

Its likely you have no real fealty to Canadian legal system and govt...and thus it will likely be big waste of time entering any kind of discussion...but let me tell you my basic position anyway:

Canada has every right to have extradition treaty with any country it wants to. Same goes for any other country (incl China). If China arrests Canadian citizen in China because of its extradition treaty with a 3rd party...I would say same thing.

There is no "line of thinking" here. All that has happened is exactly what is stipulated by Canadian law. If you have a problem with that, you can make your case to the Canadian people so they elect people to change that (yes extradition treaties can be ended). There is a process here, and there should be no exceptions based on "feelings".

If you are a naturalized Canadian citizen, you should look up that oath you took again. Read and understand every single word....it matters.

So there is no evidence to prove that she provides technology to Iran.

That is for court of law to find and argue (on top of any existing evidence prosecution has to offer). But that only comes later, not right now.

If you would like China to follow a "evidence first, arrest after" policy (instead of probable cause) when it comes to law enforcement....be my guest....it can be the first country in world to do so. It can also choose to violate any extradition treaty it has signed with another country if it pleases as well. Regardless, you should make your case for China to do this all first (for its own country) before requesting it of another.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Its likely you have no real fealty to Canadian legal system and govt...and thus it will likely be big waste of time entering any kind of discussion...but let me tell you my basic position anyway:

Canada has every right to have extradition treaty with any country it wants to. Same goes for any other country (incl China). If China arrests Canadian citizen in China because of its extradition treaty with a 3rd party...I would say same thing.

There is no "line of thinking" here. All that has happened is exactly what is stipulated by Canadian law. If you have a problem with that, you can make your case to the Canadian people so they elect people to change that (yes extradition treaties can be ended). There is a process here, and there should be no exceptions based on "feelings".

If you are a naturalized Canadian citizen, you should look up that oath you took again. Read and understand every single word....it matters.



That is for court of law to find and argue (on top of any existing evidence prosecution has to offer). But that only comes later, not right now.

If you would like China to follow a "evidence first, arrest after" policy (instead of probable cause) when it comes to law enforcement....be my guest....it can be the first country in world to do so. It can also choose to violate any extradition treaty it has signed with another country if it pleases as well. Regardless, you should make your case for China to do this all first (for its own country) before requesting it of another.

Please don't talk about my country. In our country, no other country will tell us that another country citizens are criminals. Arrest her first. I'm looking for evidence.

In an unsubstantiated case, three countries were involved... This is the only one in the world.

 

[UKBengali]

Its likely you have no real fealty to Canadian legal system and govt...and thus it will likely be big waste of time entering any kind of discussion...but let me tell you my basic position anyway:

Canada has every right to have extradition treaty with any country it wants to. Same goes for any other country (incl China). If China arrests Canadian citizen in China because of its extradition treaty with a 3rd party...I would say same thing.

There is no "line of thinking" here. All that has happened is exactly what is stipulated by Canadian law. If you have a problem with that, you can make your case to the Canadian people so they elect people to change that (yes extradition treaties can be ended). There is a process here, and there should be no exceptions based on "feelings".

If you are a naturalized Canadian citizen, you should look up that oath you took again. Read and understand every single word....it matters.



That is for court of law to find and argue (on top of any existing evidence prosecution has to offer). But that only comes later, not right now.

If you would like China to follow a "evidence first, arrest after" policy (instead of probable cause) when it comes to law enforcement....be my guest....it can be the first country in world to do so. It can also choose to violate any extradition treaty it has signed with another country if it pleases as well. Regardless, you should make your case for China to do this all first (for its own country) before requesting it of another.

Chickens have come home to roost for the Chinese.
Only Pakistan will provide some support.
Rest will be on Canada's side or do not give a damn.