China temporarily bans Wildlife trade

[Yankee-stani]

PLA of that time was different and quite rigid (don't know about nowadays).

He interacted with them while deployed at KKH, the regimental center and a few other places. He had some fun stories but I don't want to stereotype.

However, what I can say is that they have helped us develop the base/foundation of many of our strategic orgs (apart from help in PAC/HIT e.t.c) and still help us in many forms that any other country would never do (strategically).

I would regret the day our interests diverge because they know of many of key capabilities inside and out.

I would love to hear more stories has ever been to the PRC, and doubt interests diverge any time soon Pakistan might be poor third world nation but its sits on what China see as a major trade route and for their expansion as a world power it will prop up Pakistan when needed it wont let it fail or CPEC fail the question for Pakistanis and Pakistani politicians is how take advantage of the geopolitical situation and not be a lame duck and rentier as usual

 

[tower9]

Meanwhile Vnese keep eating Rats to celebrate the year of Rat .

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Poor Cantoness bros. CN govt ban ur favourite food for No real reason

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Hunt "special" Rats that eat Ginseng in Ngoc Linh mountain news in 26th-Jan

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26-01-2020 15:41:29

https://doisongvietnam.vn/san-chuot-quy-toc-an-sam-tren-dinh-ngoc-linh-83253-3.html

Gross. That's your problem in Vietnam.

As for China, it is time for Beijing to step down and civilize these Southern savages and their disgusting eating habits.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Gross. That's your problem in Vietnam.

As for China, it is time for Beijing to step down and civilize these Southern savages and their disgusting eating habits.

U cant prove that bat/rat/snake etc spread corona now.

Btw, my post is just for fun. Just ban whatever u can in CN now, we also worry and dont know when Cnese transmit the virus to us. We also dont wanna die

 

[tower9]

U cant prove that bat/rat/snake etc spread corona now.

Btw, my post is just for fun. Just ban whatever u can in CN now, we also worry and dont know when Cnese transmit the virus to us. We also dont wanna die

Coronaviruses have been traced to bats. Obviously the wildlife trade is the cause of these viruses being passed to humans, whether it is by unsanitary handling or consumption. This trade needs to be banned period. It is a small minority of disgusting and selfish people who are endangering the whole world.

 

[Zulfiqar]

I would love to hear more stories has ever been to the PRC, and doubt interests diverge any time soon Pakistan might be poor third world nation but its sits on what China see as a major trade route and for their expansion as a world power it will prop up Pakistan when needed it wont let it fail or CPEC fail the question for Pakistanis and Pakistani politicians is how take advantage of the geopolitical situation and not be a lame duck and rentier as usual

His interaction was in Pakistan. Most stories were w.r.t the eating and living habits so I did not want to stereotype and go off topic. Similarly we also different have habits of our own like for example our neighbor who lived in china with the family was told by their chinese neighbors that Pakistanis waste a lot of water.

As for my other comment w.r.t our interests. Yes, they are common for now but we should have some more diversification in or supply/process chain (which we hopefully will have with our partnership with Turks and others).

Coming back to topic, we need to work with their medical agencies to prevent its outbreak in Pakistan.

There are more chinese that come to Pakistan in flights (rather than other way around).

 

[Yankee-stani]

His interaction was in Pakistan. Most stories were w.r.t the eating and living habits so I did not want to stereotype and go off topic. Similarly we also different have habits of our own like for example our neighbor who lived in china with the family was told by their chinese neighbors that Pakistanis waste a lot of water.

As for my other comment w.r.t our interests. Yes, they are common for now but we should have some more diversification in or supply/process chain (which we hopefully will have with our partnership with Turks and others).

Yeah I am all for diversification with ties as well but at the present moment we need to get as much advanatages from PRC asap for that to trully occur

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yeah. Maybe one silver lining out of all this is that China's government bans the wildlife trade permanently and upgrades sanitation standards at local provincial wet markets. They just need to send experts to Japan and see what world class sanitation standards should be.

Secondly, I hope this pandemic turns Chinese society completely hostile to the gross motherfuckers who continue to eat disgusting shit and eat all kinds of wildlife for their own enjoyment and curiosity. These people need to be socially ostracized and shamed.

Japan wraps everything in plastic and dumps trash into Africa. Nty.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Coronaviruses have been traced to bats. Obviously the wildlife trade is the cause of these viruses being passed to humans, whether it is by unsanitary handling or consumption. This trade needs to be banned period. It is a small minority of disgusting and selfish people who are endangering the whole world.

I told u, Vnese eat wild animals like Southern Cnese, but no one got Sars from bat/civet but from Cnese instead.

So, banning wildlife trade is not enough cos it may not the main cause of these virus. But its true that Northern Cnese sufferred much worse than tropical pple like Vnese, Pinoy, Malay.

If u read the history again, u will see that many Mongol-Manchus and even Han soldiers died when invading VN not bcs being killed but bcs of tropical disease and had to withdraw cos they could not survive under tropical weather.

The world is getting hotter and become more tropical, so global warming could be the main cause for this epidemic.

 

[tower9]

Japan wraps everything in plastic and dumps trash into Africa. Nty.

I am talking about basic sanitation practices with food handling. Japan is world class in this regard considering that one of their top food products is sushi, which is handled raw. China has much to learn from Japan. Just compare how most Chinese restaurants are run compared to how most Japanese restaurants are run, it is night and day.

I told u, Vnese eat wild animals like Southern Cnese, but no one got Sars from bat/civet but from Cnese instead.

So, banning wildlife trade is not enough cos it may not the main cause of these virus. But its true that Northern Cnese sufferred much worse than tropical pple like Vnese, Pinoy, Malay.

If u read the history again, u will see that many Mongol-Manchus and even Han soldiers died when invading VN not bcs being killed but bcs of tropical disease and had to withdraw cos they could not survive under tropical weather.

The world is getting hotter and become more tropical, so global warming could be the main cause for this epidemic.

I can't stand tropical and muggy weather. I like the cold breeze in the morning.

Anyways, diseases do come from eating civets in the case of SARS and from bats in the case of the coronavirus. Either way, this is a good opportunity to stamp out the barbaric eating practices that should've been banned a long time ago.

 

[Paul2]

This needs to be a permanent ban. Hopefully this crisis will force the entire nation to socially ostracize and punish those who are engaged in the trade and consumption of wildlife.

https://apnews.com/d59f43a911996a729cdf8636f5aa4ce4

Hunting wildlife is forbidden by law, no new hunting licenses been issues for over a decade, but for some reason selling wildlife for food is still ok if you don't "hunt" it...

You are right that in Northern China, dog meat is primarily only eaten by ethnic Koreans. However in the South, there are some sub-cultures in Guangdong/Guangxi who eat dog, hence the disgusting Yulin festival, which I hear is disappearing, which is good.

Wet markets and the consumption of wildlife is a major threat to the health of the whole world but primarily to the developing world, especially in Africa and Asia, where they exist en masse. These markets should be heavily regulated or banned to promote public health.



I can't understand the mentality of people who eat strange animals. Must be some kind of selfish thrill eating a weird animal. I hate these people.

Eating weird things is not that much a tradition per se, most of that is rather new nouveau riche cravings.

A century ago, the yuck at the choice of protein in China was usually directed the other way around. The wealthy South never had a problem with protein access.

 

[FedererExpress]

Hopefully China permanently bans eating wildlife and exotic animals.

 

[tower9]

Hunting wildlife is forbidden by law, no new hunting licenses been issues for over a decade, but for some reason selling wildlife for food is still ok if you don't "hunt" it...


Eating weird things is not that much a tradition per se, most of that is rather new nouveau riche cravings.

A century ago, the yuck at the choice of protein in China was usually directed the other way around. The wealthy South never had a problem with protein access.

Yeah so basically selfish and sick people. **** em. They should all be executed.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

I told u, Vnese eat wild animals like Southern Cnese, but no one got Sars from bat/civet but from Cnese instead.

So, banning wildlife trade is not enough cos it may not the main cause of these virus. But its true that Northern Cnese sufferred much worse than tropical pple like Vnese, Pinoy, Malay.

If u read the history again, u will see that many Mongol-Manchus and even Han soldiers died when invading VN not bcs being killed but bcs of tropical disease and had to withdraw cos they could not survive under tropical weather.

The world is getting hotter and become more tropical, so global warming could be the main cause for this epidemic.

Agree with @Viva_Viet it's a smoke screen!

This case seems to perfectly match the most infamous Sverdlovsk anthrax outbreak of 1979.

Where then Soviet officials also blamed it to consumption of contaminated meat.

And the deaths was then even higher with some 66 to 100, according to sources!

Abstract

In April and May 1979, an unusual anthrax epidemic occurred in Sverdlovsk, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Soviet officials attributed it to consumption of contaminated meat. U.S. agencies attributed it to inhalation of spores accidentally released at a military microbiology facility in the city. Epidemiological data show that most victims worked or lived in a narrow zone extending from the military facility to the southern city limit. Farther south, livestock died of anthrax along the zone's extended axis. The zone paralleled the northerly wind that prevailed shortly before the outbreak. It is concluded that the escape of an aerosol of anthrax pathogen at the military facility caused the outbreak.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7973702
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Anthrax genome reveals secrets about a Soviet bioweapons accident

By Kai KupferschmidtAug. 16, 2016 , 9:45 PM

Some call it the “biological Chernobyl.” On 2 April 1979, a plume of anthrax spores was accidentally released from a secret bioweapons facility in the Soviet city of Sverdlovsk. Propelled by a slow wind, the cloud drifted southeast, producing a 50-kilometer trail of disease and death among humans and animals alike. At least 66 people lost their lives, making it the deadliest human outbreak of inhalation anthrax ever.

Now, 37 years later, scientists have managed to isolate the pathogen's DNA from the bodies of two human victims and piece together its entire genome. The study, under review at the journal mBio and released today on the preprint server bioRxiv , answers one of the many remaining questions about the Soviet Union's clandestine biowarfare program by showing that scientists hadn't tinkered with the anthrax strain to make it more resistant to antibiotics or vaccines. If they had, the Soviet bioweapons would have become even more lethal.
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During the Cold War, the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union all had biowarfare programs. The Biological Weapons Convention, which took effect in 1975, was supposed to end that, but in the Soviet Union, a massive clandestine program continued to produce anthrax spores and several other bioagents.

Questions about the outbreak in Sverdlovsk—which today is called Yekaterinburg and part of Russia—still linger. The Soviet Union at first blamed contaminated meat from an animal outbreak. In 1992, when Boris Yeltsin was president, a team led by Harvard University molecular biologist Matthew Meselson was allowed to visit the area to investigate the incident. In a paper published in Science in 1994, they concluded that the geographic pattern of the outbreak clearly showed that it was caused by an aerosol that had escaped from a facility known as Military Compound 19. “Bad meat does not go in straight lines 50 kilometers long, but wind can do that,” says Meselson, whose wife and fellow team member Jeanne Guillemin wrote a book about the investigation. Many other issues, such as exactly how the cloud was released, remain mysterious.

To fill in a few more pieces of the puzzle, anthrax scientist Paul Keim of Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, and colleagues attempted to sequence the B. anthracis genome from two samples taken from victims. Russian pathologists who investigated the outbreak as it was occurring had collected the samples and later shared them with Meselson during his trip to the Soviet Union. The tissue had been fixed in formalin and embedded in paraffin, and the DNA was badly degraded, Keim says. Still, the researchers managed to piece together the entire sequence and compare it with hundreds of other anthrax isolates.

The team didn't see any evidence that Soviet engineers had tried to grow a strain that was resistant to drugs or vaccines, or that they had genetically engineered the bacteria in any way. “It is very closely related to other domesticated strains that have been used by the Soviets and Chinese as vaccine strains,” Keim says.

"This is a perfectly ordinary strain,” Meselson agrees. The paper suggests that the Sverdlovsk strain "was one found in the environment which the Russians picked up and used for whatever they were doing there,” he says. “But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t nasty. It was extracted from people who were killed by it.”

It was not unreasonable to suspect that the Soviets would have tried to create a superstrain, Meselson says. "They certainly could have made it resistant to penicillin," he says—such resistant strains even exist in nature. And since 1979, others have engineered B. anthracis to be resistant to antibiotics as well as certain vaccines.

What is most surprising is how few changes there are in the genome, Keim says. Only 13 base pairs differ between the Sverdlovsk strain and its likely common ancestor with the vaccine strains. B. anthracis evolves very slowly; during the many years it spends buried as a spore, its evolution is essentially on hold. But evolution speeds up as generation after generation is grown in the laboratory. Apparently, scientists in Sverdlovsk prevented this from happening, Keim says: “I think that the Soviets were meticulous in maintaining master spore stocks and avoiding extensive lab growth.”

Russia officially agreed (again) to end its bioweapons program in 1992. But there are lingering doubts about whether the country has completely followed through, and security analysts have raised the prospect that Soviet bioweapons could have fallen into the wrong hands. Keim's study should allow scientists to tell whether any future anthrax outbreak came from a leftover Soviet weapon or some other source, Grunow says. “If this strain appears again anywhere in the world, we would be able to identify it unequivocally.”


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...eals-secrets-about-soviet-bioweapons-accident
http://archive.ph/jJX42​

 

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https://www.ccn.com/scientists-pinpoint-2-causes-behind-chinas-deadly-coronavirus-theyre-both-shocking/

look like it’s bats and snakes. Thailand will have to ban snake eating ?

 

[Rasengan]

Yeah so basically selfish and sick people. **** em. They should all be executed.

They should be executed publicly so fear can come into the minds of those who wish to continue this insane practice. The minority are affecting the majority in China with these eating habits.