China targets ordinary Uighurs with beards, burkas

[Developereo]

You're right of course, the underlying issue still remains.

However these Western politicians and NGO's trying to get a bit of "political capital" by lecturing us, are actually doing a huge disservice to people and interest groups within China that are trying to solve the problem.

When the "West" backs a certain side (like the Ukrainian government or pro-democracy demonstrators), then that side becomes viewed as Western loyalists, i.e. traitors. And everyone has seen how the West has universally backed the Uyghur "dissenters", which makes their job that much harder.

People on the ground are trying to push through meaningful reforms, and their efforts are destroyed every time the Western politicians and NGO's decide to open their big mouths.

There are many players involved: external agitators will try to empower Uyghur troublemakers, and Urghur thugs and power grabbers will try to ratchet up the emotions.

On the other side, Chinese authorities need to win hearts and minds to reassure the wider Uyghur community that any legitimate concerns are addressed. They also need to make sure negative racial stereotypes are managed among majority Han population.

That's why these actions are unfortunate, since they have negative consequences. They feed the claims of agitators that China is against Muslim and Uyghur culture, and they reinforce negative stereotypes among the Han that anyone of Uyghur appearance is a terrorist.

 

[anyrandom]

What's wrong with it....its simple statistical probability. People with big beards and burkhas are more likely to be terrorists so doesn't it makes sense to go after them?

I wish India could do the same!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Who exactly are these external agitators?

The goal of the USA is to maintain their global hegemony, and a strong and rising China is a threat to that goal.

They have previously admitted (openly) to having played games with Tibetan and Uyghur separatists in China, it's not a great leap to think that they are still looking for opportunities to do so.

There are many players involved: external agitators will try to empower Uyghur troublemakers, and Urghur thugs and power grabbers will try to ratchet up the emotions.

On the other side, Chinese authorities need to win hearts and minds to reassure the wider Uyghur community that any legitimate concerns are addressed. They also need to make sure negative racial stereotypes are managed among majority Han population.

That's why these actions are unfortunate, since they have negative consequences. They feed the claims of agitators that China is against Muslim and Uyghur culture, and they reinforce negative stereotypes among the Han that anyone of Uyghur appearance is a terrorist.

The problem is that the Chinese government (which is normally favorable to minorities) is facing huge and unprecedented public outrage from within China itself.

I mean who thought the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang could get this bad? We haven't been helping America with their wars in the Middle East, why are we getting so much terrorist violence? (While ironically America gets nearly zero terrorist attacks nowadays).

It's not like the Middle East where people have been desensitized to this sort of stuff, this is China. People are pissed, and that's putting huge pressure on the Chinese government to clamp down on this sort of extremism.

 

[my2cents]

The goal of the USA is to maintain their global hegemony, and a strong and rising China is a threat to that goal.

They have previously admitted (openly) to having played games with Tibetan and Uyghur separatists in China, it's not a great leap to think that they are still looking for opportunities to do so.



The problem is that the Chinese government (which is normally favorable to minorities) is facing huge and unprecedented public outrage from within China itself.

I mean who thought the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang could get this bad? We haven't been helping America with their wars in the Middle East, why are we getting so much terrorist violence? (While ironically America gets nearly zero terrorist attacks nowadays).

It's not like the Middle East where people have been desensitized to this sort of stuff, this is China. People are pissed, and that's putting huge pressure on the Chinese government to clamp down on this sort of extremism.

I can imagine what you guys are going through. Unfortunately it is a delicate balance to work out security interests with profiling. In my personal opinion you are not treating cause of the symptoms but tearing up the social fabric of Uyghur people.

 

[general_yermolov_stalin]

I can imagine what you guys are going through. Unfortunately it is a delicate balance to work out security interests with profiling. In my personal opinion you are not treating cause of the symptoms but tearing up the social fabric of Uyghur people.

uighur are not our concern and are China's internal issue.

 

[my2cents]

uighur are not our concern and are China's internal issue.

We do have right to voice our opinions when we see inhuman treatment being meted to fellow human beings. Punish the extremists and terrorists but why target general people.

 

[Sergi]

Has to be done. Enforcing burkas was a trend in the past on Muslim women in the name of religion. We have to give freedom to them by banning burkas now. There is no other way

Are you Chinese ???

Actually I dont have anything to add or say on subject. I was just poking CD

 

[Sahasranama]

I mean who thought the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang could get this bad? We haven't been helping America with their wars in the Middle East, why are we getting so much terrorist violence? (While ironically America gets nearly zero terrorist attacks nowadays).

It's not like the Middle East where people have been desensitized to this sort of stuff, this is China. People are pissed, and that's putting huge pressure on the Chinese government to clamp down on this sort of extremism.

Seriously ?

I take it china does not learn from history or understand islam/muslims very well.

 

[general_yermolov_stalin]

Seriously ?

I take it china does not learn from history or understand islam/muslims very well.

China has understood it well .Thats why they contained its waves for centuries and captured xingiang.But the maoist experiment has caused memory loss it seems.

 

[liall]

Are you Chinese ???

Actually I dont have anything to add or say on subject. I was just poking CD

I wish. I love everything Chinese

 

[Pak_Sher]

Not true, I have had countless arguments with Pakistani members like KingMamba, and Pak_Sher who for example said this just recently:



And this was my response:

I strongly disagree with your opinion. I understand that China's thirst for oil and gas inspired it to capture East Turkistan and rename it to Xinjiang, but that is occupied land and not part of mainland China. Settling more Hans Chinese's and calling the locals terrorists will never bring lasting peace. My Chinese roommate in college acknowledged the fact that Xinjiang is way backward then the rest of China. USSR had to eventually give up the occupied Muslim and Christian countries. Latvia, Georgia, Luthinia etc were all Christians and Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc were all Muslims. China will have to come to terms with the reality internally to have equal rights for all people within its territory otherwise it will continue to have issues. History repeats itself.

 

[TejasMk3]

dont have a stellar record of protecting minorities themselves, including India

This is a very uninformed statement at best. I guess your idea of protecting minorities would be passing stuff like the communal violence bill?

 

[general_yermolov_stalin]

I strongly disagree with your opinion. I understand that China's thirst for oil and gas inspired it to capture East Turkistan and rename it to Xinjiang, but that is occupied land and not part of mainland China. Settling more Hans Chinese's and calling the locals terrorists will never bring lasting peace. My Chinese roommate in college acknowledged the fact that Xinjiang is way backward then the rest of China. USSR had to eventually give up the occupied Muslim and Christian countries. Latvia, Georgia, Luthinia etc were all Christians and Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc were all Muslims. China will have to come to terms with the reality internally to have equal rights for all people within its territory otherwise it will continue to have issues. History repeats itself.

Strange .Because tajikistan and kgyrgizstan were begging russia for a ussr type union.

and considering how pakistan has mass murdered and ethnically cleansed the hindu,sikh,ahmadi muslim ,baloch minority ,Pakistanis should refrain from lecturing China.

@Chinese-Dragon

 

[T-123456]

“It’s because they have been incited by others to do so,” Ma said, noting that traditional dress of Uighur women is multicolored. “Those clothes that are all black are a sign of influence from foreigners like in Turkey and have to do with extremist thinking.”

Never been to Turkey?
He should look at the Gulf states,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Iran for those black clothes.
How dìd Ma Yangfen get his job as director of the propaganda office @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 ?
@Horus ,why Chinese members never answer when tagged,this is the third time i tagged them and asked a question,why dont they answer?
Always talking about China this and China that but never answer a simple question,do they feel embarrassed?

 

[tonyget]

I strongly disagree with your opinion. I understand that China's thirst for oil and gas inspired it to capture East Turkistan and rename it to Xinjiang, but that is occupied land and not part of mainland China. Settling more Hans Chinese's and calling the locals terrorists will never bring lasting peace. My Chinese roommate in college acknowledged the fact that Xinjiang is way backward then the rest of China. USSR had to eventually give up the occupied Muslim and Christian countries. Latvia, Georgia, Luthinia etc were all Christians and Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc were all Muslims. China will have to come to terms with the reality internally to have equal rights for all people within its territory otherwise it will continue to have issues. History repeats itself.

If every single ethnic group establish own country, there should be tens of thousands of countries in the world instead of less than 200.