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China starts to build second large cruise ship, in show of rising large cruise ship shipbuilding capability

Isn't it so simple to say, because China's rise is too fast and actually he hasn't broken into large cruiseship building

LOL! Don't you think the opposite should be true?

Chinese shipwright engineers and designers should be offering core hull designs to cruiseship companies not the other way around.

Does China even design any of the largest ships they build?

I know almost all of the tallest skyscrapers in China involved Western architectural/engineering firms...now I'm beginning to think the same about your largest ships.

When some company needs a tall office building in China they don't design it all by themselves. They bring in a building engineering/architectural firm and tell them what they need and sit down with them to work out the details. When the building plans are finalized they then hire some construction company to build it.

Same with a cruiseship company. They bring in a shipbuilding engineering/architectural firm and tell them what they need. They then hand it off to some ship construction company.

With all the ships China makes a year there must be tons of local ship engineering/architectural firms who are ahead of everybody else in the world.
 
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I know almost all of the tallest skyscrapers in China involved Western architectural/engineering firms...now I'm beginning to think the same about your largest ships.
LoL, How many skyscrapers in China do you know, China has the world most skyscrapers. of course you can claim that everything China built was a copy, like China's space station, China's carriers and type 055, type 075, China's Mars rover, J-20, J-35.... China's Beiduo global positioning system.... but your claims won't help you and you still lose your capability of building lots of things over time, this trend still persists, one day it will spell doom for US.
 
I know almost all of the tallest skyscrapers in China involved Western architectural/engineering firms...
LoL, How many skyscrapers in China do you know, China has the world most skyscrapers. of course you can claim that everything China built was a copy,

List of tallest buildings in China​



Which American companies were involved in designing China's top tallest skyscrapers:

#1 Shanghai Tower
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Gensler

Sited adjacent to the neighboring Jin Mao Tower and Shanghai World Financial Center in the heart of the Lujiazui Finance and Trade Zone, the 632-meter Shanghai Tower, designed by Gensler, ranks as China’s tallest building.



#2 Ping An Finance Center,

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Kohn Pedersen Fox
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KPF’s design for the world’s tallest office building creates an iconic presence for the world’s top ranked insurance brand and a centerpiece to the burgeoning city of Shenzhen.



#3 (tied) Guangzhou CTF Finance Centre,
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Kohn Pedersen Fox
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As one of China’s tallest structures, the Chow Tai Fook (CTF) Finance Centre demonstrates the alignment of supertall design with cultural, environmental, and contextual sensitivity.



#3 (tied) Tianjin CTF Finance Centre
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Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
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Tianjin CTF has been designed to LEED Gold standards, with a range of sustainable strategies, including a high-performance envelope, optimized daylighting, and green landscaping. The tower breaks norms with its rigorous integration of engineering and architectural development to achieve the highest efficiencies in material performance.



#5 China Zun,
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Kohn Pedersen Fox:

https://www.kpf.com/project/citic-tower
Located at the core of Beijing’s new 30-hectare central business district, CITIC Tower is the tallest building and a new icon of the capital.



#6 Shanghai World Financial Center,
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Kohn Pedersen Fox
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One of KPF’s most highly recognized and award-winning projects, the Shanghai World Financial Center has stood as a symbol of commerce and culture since its completion in 2008.



#7 International Commerce Centre
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Kohn Pedersen Fox
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KPF’s 118-story tower accommodates offices, a 360 degree observation deck, and one of the world’s highest hotels, The Ritz-Carlton Hong Kong. The tower is the centerpiece of the Union Square reclamation project, establishing a new urban center with office, retail, hotel and recreation spaces, as well as a new transportation hub, Kowloon Station, which connects to Central, Hong Kong, the International Airport and mainland China via a network of high speed rail, subway, buses, and ferry terminals.



#8 Wuhan Greenland Center
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Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill:
Wuhan Greenland Center features a uniquely streamlined form that combines three key shaping concepts—a tapered body, softly rounded corners and a domed top—to reduce wind resistance and vortex action that builds up around supertall towers. The building’s extremely efficient aerodynamic performance will allow it to minimize the amount of structural material (and the associated embodied carbon) needed for construction.


#9 International Land-Sea Center
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Kohn Pedersen Fox
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International Land-Sea Center
As the centerpiece of the 3.6 million-square-meter Chongqing Tian Di Master Plan, a major redevelopment of a downtown core area, Chongqing 100 provides office, residential, retail, and entertainment space to bring energy, activity, and value to the site.
Inspired by the sailing ships that once crowded the waters of the surrounding Yangtze and Jialing Rivers, the development’s light and elegant form is anchored by a simple tower alongside low-rise residential and office towers and a retail podium.



That's the top 9 out of the top 10 tallest buildings in China were designed by American companies.




I'm now beginning to wonder who is the real designers of your biggest ships.

Your rail system has 80,000 kilometers of 1,435mm rail gauge only because Roman chariots had that as a standard width. You (and much of the world including the US) are following some standard of measurement that is basically meaningless in modern times.

Time to think out of the box and do something new instead of following some "standard of measurement" when it comes to cruiseships/buildings.
 
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They need the Western Masters to hold their hand first and show them how to build one of their designs first so they can then leverage that Western knowledge later as a basis to build one themselves without going through 100 years of trial&error.

That's exactly what the West did when knowledge transfer happened between Muslims and Europe of Dark Ages!

According to your thesis, Muslim masters held your hands back then and taught you all they knew.

Your ancestors were the wildlings of Europe when the civilised and modern world was the Muslim lands. It's us who groomed you wildlings.

Just as you overtook Muslims in knowledge, Chinese are taking over you. History is full of it. You can btag about it now but your/West beginnings were in crap literally and you learnt from others too.
 
Just 4? I think you said all you know, it seems you really don't know much.

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LOL! Just four...that's the top 8 out of 10 of the tallest buildings in China had
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engineering/architectural firms involved.

I didn't even bother looking up #9 and #10 because things were getting so laughable.

China...LOL..always needing a Western master to hold your hand.
 
LOL! Just four...that's the top 8 out of 10 of the tallest buildings in China had American engineering/architectural firms involved.

I didn't even bother looking up #9 and #10 because things were getting so laughable.

China...LOL..always needing a Western master to hold your hand.
But they are all in China, why they are not in US? China bosses can hire employees from all over the world to serve China, any problems with it?

Maybe Chinese subway station designs also involve some American designers, but it won't change anything in New York's trash filled, rats infested subways
 
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But they are all in China, why they are not in US? China bosses can hire employees from all over the world to serve China, any problems with it?

hahahaha!!!!
I don't remember any tall US buildings needing Chinese companies in their design/engineering.

Remember all that talk about how we supposedly forget how to do things?

I love it how when future generations of Chinese look up at your tallest buildings and say "Wow China sure has smart people who can think of beautiful buildings like this!" and the reply is "Actually they were designed by Americans".

:omghaha:

That's exactly what the West did when knowledge transfer happened between Muslims and Europe of Dark Ages!

I suppose Europe brought them in to design all the Cathedrals, palaces, castles, and their sailing warships.
 
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hahahaha!!!!
I don't remember any tall US buildings needing Chinese companies in their design/engineering.

Remember all that talk about how we supposedly forget how to do things?

I love it how when future generations look up at your tallest buildings and say "Wow China sure has smart people who can think of beautiful buildings like this!" and the reply is "Actually they were designed by Americans".

:omghaha:



I suppose Europe brought them in to design all the Cathedrals, palaces, castles, and their sailing warships.
Haha, US infras are falling apart but your government doesn't care, even you have designers , they have to work for other countries with their expertise, isn't it a tragedy for US?
 
Haha, US infras are falling apart but your government doesn't care, even you have designers , they have to work for other countries with their expertise, isn't it a tragedy for US?

LOL! But what about your poor people....what about 2+2 = 4?
 
What? you mean your homelss bunch roaming US cities like true zombies?

But what about all the poor in China? Haven't you thought about that? Think of all the people who have horribly STARVED to death in the last 75 years!
 
How about in the last 300 years? how about black slaves and the natives whom you wiped out? what do you really want to say?

Yes, what about them. How does all your whataboutism have to do with this thread?
 
Yes, what about them. How does all your whataboutism have to do with this thread?
What whatatoutism? You are bring something really strange to this thread, I don't know what you are really talking about here. you just came into this thead to troll, didn't you?
 
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