China starts "combat ready" patrols in disputed seas

[WuMaoCleverbot]

Tell me who is aggressive? .

In March 1988, Chinese troops killed 70 Vietnamese troops and occupied Johnson South Reef (six kilometers away from Vietnam’s Collins Reef) in the Spratly Islands.

In April 2001 a Chinese jet fighter collided with an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft 60 miles off Hainan Island.

On June 11, 2009, a Chinese submarine deliberately cut the cable of a sonar array being towed by the USS John McCain in international waters about 140 miles northwest of Subic Bay, Philippines.

In 2009 alone, Chinese had seized 433 Vietnamese fishermen in the West Philippine Sea.

In Feb 25, 2011, Chinese warship fired at Filipino fishing boat(MV Maricris 12)

In March 2011, Philippine-commissioned seismic vessel was harassed in Reed Bank in western Palawan by the Chinese

In August 2011, Chinese naval vessels confronted an Indian Navy ship that was transiting between two Vietnamese ports.

In February 2012, armed Chinese vessels prevented Vietnamese fishing boats from seeking refuge in Paracel Island during a storm and reportedly tried to rob its crewmembers.

In the summer of 2010, a Chinese “fishery management vessel” described as a “repurposed heavy gunboat” threatened to fire at Indonesian patrol vessels confronting illegal Chinese fishermen in its EEZ near Natuna Island.

In April 2012, two Chinese surveillance vessels prevented the Philippine Navy frigate BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting illegal Chinese fishermen and poachers in Panatag Shoal (also known as Scarborough Shoal).

In June 2012, Indian Navy vessels sailing in the West Philippine Sea received an unscheduled escort by a People's Liberation Army Navy frigate for 12 hours (John J. Tkacik, Jr., Testimony for the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, March 28, 2012 and Territorial disputes in the South China Sea)

Taiwan is one of Chinese province, received the island "Itu Aba Island" (or Tai-Ping Island or Peace Island) from UN as a returning package of SCS,

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Another fabricated Chinese history. Where's your proof???

I really do not want to look down upon you. Well, show us how many ASEAN countries will stay with you at the same boat against CHINA???

A number of Asean countries already confidentially expressed support to our gov't against Chinese aggression in Scarborough shoal. If China really wants to find out, she could just declare war against us and see how many countries support us and how alone China will fight this war.

In 1958, the People's Republic of China (PRC) issued a declaration defining its territorial waters within what is known as the nine-dotted line which encompassed the Spratly Islands.

The Republic of China (ROC) named 132 of the South China Sea Islands in 1932 and 1935. In 1933, ROC government logged official protest to the French government after its occupation of Taiping Island.[5] After World War II, ROC government occupied the islands earlier controlled by the Japanese. In 1947, the Ministry of Interior renamed 149 of the islands. Later in November, the Secretary Department of Guangdong Government was authorized to publish the Map of the South China Sea Islands.

We are talking about sovereignty. As for sovereignty, its not discovery and naming. It's history, use/occupation and control/jurisdiction. China claims to have discovered it and has a history over it, used it for a multitude of uses but he never had control and jurisdiction over it. China never controlled the area. China never managed the area, never had the Chinese government in the area. So ergo, CHINA DO NOT HAVE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE AREA. The Chinese government merely claims jurisdiction in these areas but they do not have effective jurisdiction as required for sovereignty. China has to prove indisputable sovereignty before he can rightfully claim the islands. Without this, this action is as pointless as just drawing a map with China's name on it.

200BC around – China firstly discovered the Spratly Islands

The Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that China discovered Spratly Islands in 200BC??? I BET YOU CAN'T.

220 – Nansha (Spratly) Island was settled by Chinese monks, building up a monastery on that island.

Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Chinese monks build a monastery in Spratly Island in 220AD??? I BET YOU CAN'T.

789 – The Tang Dynasty, China included the Nansha Islands into its administrative map

Have you seen the MAP??? I BET YOU DID'T. Can you post the map here??? I BET YOU CAN'T. BUT WE CAN SHOW YOU OUR MAP.

Philippine Maps:

http://i45.tinypic.com/oqjb6u.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/4kbp1y.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/33feyvl.jpg


Official maps of the Yuan Dynasty and Ching
Dynasty, including but not limited to Da Qing Zhi Sheng Quan Tu
(published in 1862) and Huang Chao Yi Tong Yu Di Zen Du (published in
1894), show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands

[Huang chao zhi sheng yu di quan tu] /


“La Relación del suceso de la venida del tirano chino del gobernador Guido de Lavezares 1575 Épica española en Asia en el siglo XVI" - states it well - as well as a recognition by a Ming Dynasty emisary of the Philippines then known as Las Islas Filipinas; as 'Beyond China's realm' and they also exchanged maps and bounderies, which showed China had no claims south of islands of the Formosa

990 – Spratley Islands became a part of the Northern Song area in Hainan

Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Spratly Islands became part of the Northern Song in 990AD??? I BET YOU CAN'T.

1121 – Kublai Khan controlled most of the islands during China’s Yuan Dynasty

Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Kublai Khan controlled most of the islands during China’s Yuan Dynasty??? I BET YOU CAN'T.



China was asked to provide the 1279 map………………and the CCP hasn’t been able to do so! China was also asked to provide the exact coordinates that prove the 9 or 11 dash line ownership according to ancient Chinese claims………..and the CCP also wasn’t able to produce any documentation to support their claims!

The fact that the CCP can’t show anyone these Yuan Dyanasty maps is most revealing!

If your government treats you like idiots who would believe anything they say, don't put the rest of the world at the same level that you are on.

The rest of the world relies on EVIDENCE. Not just whatever BS spouting out of the mouths of you Chinese.

China can't prove Spratlys claim

MANILA, Philippines - Chinese authorities have failed to identify specific historical evidence backing Beijing's claims that it owns disputed islands in the West Philippine Sea, a confidential US embassy cable published by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said.

Cable 08BEIJING3499, sent to Washington by the US embassy in Beijing in September 9, 2008, said a Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) official and a local scholar could not identify specific historical records to justify China's "Nine Dashes" claim that covers the whole Spratlys and areas within other countries' exclusive economic zones (EEZs).

MFA Department of Treaty and Law Oceans and Law of the Sea Division Deputy Director Yin Wenqiang told a US embassy political officer on August 30, 2008 that "China has indisputable sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea and the adjacent waters."

However, the US official said "Yin admitted he is not aware of the historical basis for the 'Nine Dashes'" and only mentioned unspecified "Chinese historical documents" that indicate the basis for China's claims on territory west of the Philippines, according to the cable.

The US official also talked to Beijing University Asia scholar Yang Baoyun about China's claims.

Yang said China's claims "date back to ancient times, prior to the development of the modern nation-state."

"Neither MFA's Yin nor Beijing University's Yang could specify a historical document that indicated the basis for the demarcation of the 'Nine Dashes'," the cable added.

Yang referred to a 2000 MFA "white paper" on the Spratlys. "However, the white paper devotes little attention to the history of the "Nine Dashes," providing, for example, only vague references to areas frequented by Chinese fisherman from Hainan," the memo said.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

PNoy wants US spy planes over West PHL Sea

Philippine President Benigno Aquino said on Monday he may ask the United States to deploy spy planes over the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) to help monitor the disputed waters, a move that could worsen tensions with its giant neighbour China.

The two countries only recently stepped back from a months-long standoff at Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal, a horseshoe-shaped reef near the Philippines in waters they both claim. The United States has said it is neutral in the long-running maritime dispute and China has warned that "external forces" should not get involved in the dispute.

"We might be requesting overflights on that," Aquino told Reuters in an interview, referring to U.S. P3C Orion spy planes. "We don't have aircraft with those capabilities."

Last month, Aquino pulled out a lightly armed coast guard ship and a fisheries boat due to bad weather around Panatag Shoal, a group of rock formations about 140 miles (225 km) w es t of the main Philippine island of Luzon.

The West Philippine Sea is potentially the biggest military flashpoint in Asia, and tensions have risen since the United States adopted a policy last year to reinforce its influence in the region. At stake is control over what are believed to be significant reserves of oil and gas.

China said last week it had begun "combat-ready" patrols in waters it said were under its control in the South China Sea, after saying it "vehemently opposed" a Vietnamese law asserting sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/263877/news/nation/pnoy-wants-us-spy-planes-over-west-phl-sea

 

[grandmaster]

In March 1988, Chinese troops killed 70 Vietnamese troops and occupied Johnson South Reef (six kilometers away from Vietnam’s Collins Reef) in the Spratly Islands.

are you afraid to tell every one which aggressive side fired gun first? Vietnam?

In April 2001 a Chinese jet fighter collided with an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft 60 miles off Hainan Island.

Are you afraid to tell people why that aircraft flew within china water and did spying? because people will question your inclination?
On June 11, 2009, a Chinese submarine deliberately cut the cable of a sonar array being towed by the USS John McCain in international waters about 140 miles northwest of Subic Bay, Philippines.

why USS did some thing thousand miles away from its territory and in china EEZ? telling this will unveil your hypocritical and unreasonable character?

In 2009 alone, Chinese had seized 433 Vietnamese fishermen in the West Philippine Sea.
you are wrong by saying "west phipipine sea", agressive nature of filipino!
In Feb 25, 2011, Chinese warship fired at Filipino fishing boat(MV Maricris 12)
In March 2011, Philippine-commissioned seismic vessel was harassed in Reed Bank in western Palawan by the Chinese
why did those boats were in china water? how dare and aggressive?

In August 2011, Chinese naval vessels confronted an Indian Navy ship that was transiting between two Vietnamese ports.
why dont you tell people that indian navy ship got through china water? does that unveil you are liar?
In February 2012, armed Chinese vessels prevented Vietnamese fishing boats from seeking refuge in Paracel Island during a storm and reportedly tried to rob its crewmembers.
why were those fishing boats in china's water? did vietnam or filipino govement tell them to go there during the storm and claimed its territory? who is aggressive?
In the summer of 2010, a Chinese “fishery management vessel” described as a “repurposed heavy gunboat” threatened to fire at Indonesian patrol vessels confronting illegal Chinese fishermen in its EEZ near Natuna Island.
even if this is true, then it is china-indonesia business. not the business for aggressive country like philippine which is like to dictate on others
In April 2012, two Chinese surveillance vessels prevented the Philippine Navy frigate BRP Gregorio del Pilar from arresting illegal Chinese fishermen and poachers in Panatag Shoal (also known as Scarborough Shoal).
no chinese knows Scarborough but Huangyan Dao in stead! these chinese people fished in china water, it is its legal responsibilty to protect its citizens and water from pinoy invaders. the philippine illeagally arrested chinese people in china water, the philippine navy was illegal and aggressive.
In June 2012, Indian Navy vessels sailing in the West Philippine Sea received an unscheduled escort by a People's Liberation Army Navy frigate for 12 hours (John J. Tkacik, Jr., Testimony for the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs, March 28, 2012 and Territorial disputes in the South China Sea)
it is the host reponsibilty to escort an invited guess to ensure china's guess is safe. who never know, the filipino would fire at china's guess and blame china did! that can't be interpret in the evil way like the filipino did but it is for indian navy safety and respect!





Another fabricated Chinese history. Where's your proof???




A number of Asean countries already confidentially expressed support to our gov't against Chinese aggression in Scarborough shoal. If China really wants to find out, she could just declare war against us and see how many countries support us and how alone China will fight this war.




We are talking about sovereignty. As for sovereignty, its not discovery and naming. It's history, use/occupation and control/jurisdiction. China claims to have discovered it and has a history over it, used it for a multitude of uses but he never had control and jurisdiction over it. China never controlled the area. China never managed the area, never had the Chinese government in the area. So ergo, CHINA DO NOT HAVE SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE AREA. The Chinese government merely claims jurisdiction in these areas but they do not have effective jurisdiction as required for sovereignty. China has to prove indisputable sovereignty before he can rightfully claim the islands. Without this, this action is as pointless as just drawing a map with China's name on it.




The Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that China discovered Spratly Islands in 200BC??? I BET YOU CAN'T.



Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Chinese monks build a monastery in Spratly Island in 220AD??? I BET YOU CAN'T.




Have you seen the MAP??? I BET YOU DID'T. Can you post the map here??? I BET YOU CAN'T. BUT WE CAN SHOW YOU OUR MAP.

Philippine Maps:

http://i45.tinypic.com/oqjb6u.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/4kbp1y.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/33feyvl.jpg


Official maps of the Yuan Dynasty and Ching
Dynasty, including but not limited to Da Qing Zhi Sheng Quan Tu
(published in 1862) and Huang Chao Yi Tong Yu Di Zen Du (published in
1894), show that the southernmost extent of China ends at Hainan islands

[Huang chao zhi sheng yu di quan tu] /


“La Relación del suceso de la venida del tirano chino del gobernador Guido de Lavezares 1575 Épica española en Asia en el siglo XVI" - states it well - as well as a recognition by a Ming Dynasty emisary of the Philippines then known as Las Islas Filipinas; as 'Beyond China's realm' and they also exchanged maps and bounderies, which showed China had no claims south of islands of the Formosa





Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Spratly Islands became part of the Northern Song in 990AD??? I BET YOU CAN'T.




Can you identify specific historical evidence supporting that Kublai Khan controlled most of the islands during China’s Yuan Dynasty??? I BET YOU CAN'T.



China was asked to provide the 1279 map………………and the CCP hasn’t been able to do so! China was also asked to provide the exact coordinates that prove the 9 or 11 dash line ownership according to ancient Chinese claims………..and the CCP also wasn’t able to produce any documentation to support their claims!

The fact that the CCP can’t show anyone these Yuan Dyanasty maps is most revealing!

If your government treats you like idiots who would believe anything they say, don't put the rest of the world at the same level that you are on.

The rest of the world relies on EVIDENCE. Not just whatever BS spouting out of the mouths of you Chinese.

China can't prove Spratlys claim

MANILA, Philippines - Chinese authorities have failed to identify specific historical evidence backing Beijing's claims that it owns disputed islands in the West Philippine Sea, a confidential US embassy cable published by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said.

Cable 08BEIJING3499, sent to Washington by the US embassy in Beijing in September 9, 2008, said a Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) official and a local scholar could not identify specific historical records to justify China's "Nine Dashes" claim that covers the whole Spratlys and areas within other countries' exclusive economic zones (EEZs).

MFA Department of Treaty and Law Oceans and Law of the Sea Division Deputy Director Yin Wenqiang told a US embassy political officer on August 30, 2008 that "China has indisputable sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea and the adjacent waters."

However, the US official said "Yin admitted he is not aware of the historical basis for the 'Nine Dashes'" and only mentioned unspecified "Chinese historical documents" that indicate the basis for China's claims on territory west of the Philippines, according to the cable.

The US official also talked to Beijing University Asia scholar Yang Baoyun about China's claims.

Yang said China's claims "date back to ancient times, prior to the development of the modern nation-state."

"Neither MFA's Yin nor Beijing University's Yang could specify a historical document that indicated the basis for the demarcation of the 'Nine Dashes'," the cable added.

Yang referred to a 2000 MFA "white paper" on the Spratlys. "However, the white paper devotes little attention to the history of the "Nine Dashes," providing, for example, only vague references to areas frequented by Chinese fisherman from Hainan," the memo said.

you have been brainwahed in the dirty way by pinoy goverment. your learning of the truth is defected by absorbing only wrongly biased opinions from your goverment.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

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There is no argument in Chinese ownership of SCS.
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China's claim is pure BS. China has not proven the authenticity of her historical documents, in fact, China can't even identify specific historical evidence backing Beijing's claims that it owns the disputed islands


In a war with China, will the U.S. fight on the side of the Philippines?


They doubt that a Han Dynasty map indicating ownership of Philippine and other countries’ territories actually exist but that more likely than not, its supposed existence is just being used as a convenient excuse to grab oil and marine resources that belong to the Philippines and other neighboring countries.
China did not have this heightened interest in Philippine waters until it was discovered that these areas contained a tremendous amount of oil.


In a war with China, will the U.S. fight on the side of the Philippines? | Philippines Today US


The China Bull In The Ring: Scarborough Shoal – Analysis


The Philippines claims to have exercised effective jurisdiction and effective occupation of the shoal since its independence. In international law this is a well recognised practice. And therefore it is no surprise that China is loathe to test its case before the ICJ.


Eurasia Review


China will not bring the Spratly issue to UN


Based on applicable international maritime and related laws, China knows that if she petitions the United Nations International Court of Justice or the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea to affirm her dubious claim that she owns everything in the South China Sea aka West Philippine Sea — her chances of winning are about as likely as having a snowfall in the Sahara desert.

China will not bring the Spratly issue to UN | Qatar Living

The Asian economies will only suffer if a war takes place. It's best for Vietnam and Philippine not to provoke a war with China, this is a friendly advice so take it.

Philippines never threatened war but China did, I will be clear about that. And the Philippines has no capacity to win a war ALONE. China's the one who is threatening Philippines with war...ratcheting up the spectre of war so that China can negotiate into something that legally it has no rights to.


China is a warmonger and a landgrabber.

you have been brainwahed in the dirty way by pinoy goverment. your learning of the truth is defected by absorbing only the nice things about your goverment.

Which of our country has a free press and uncensored internet??? It's obviously not you, therefore you are the one who have been brainwashed by your gov't.

 

[grandmaster]

Which of our country has a free press and uncensored internet??? It's obviously not you, therefore you are the one who have been brainwashed by your gov't.[/QUOTE]
because of the free press, the filipino press does not reflect the truth, but in the evilly biased way. see, just like the way you PR for your philippine goverment all above, your reasoning hides many truth in order to reach your biased conclusions. that is the way the press of the philippne does!

 

[eachus]

In March 1988, Chinese troops killed 70 Vietnamese troops and occupied Johnson South Reef (six kilometers away from Vietnam’s Collins Reef) in the Spratly Islands.

Yes, Chinese troops killed them, that was at Vietnam invading Chinese occupied islands, not what you said Chinese were aggressive and not a prove of aggressive. Chinese was on defense side. Those Vietnamese should send to hell by invasion.
the others on your message were just BS.



On internet, you dont need to believe and agree anyone,
I just found some info indicated how other powers is thinking, at lease, you dont find any US creditable source with document
to prove your claim. If China, US, UN said the islands in SCS belongs to China, what your opinion is meaningless. believe or not is up to you.

 

[eachus]

Good job. Thank you very much.
If China use his super power on land and sea, maybe, I say, maybe, Vietnamese is concerned a bit. If China use argument, ..ha... ha...sure, China lose 101%.
Chinese, use your big muscle, don't ever never ever use argument...because you have no argument, no reason, no evident, nothing to argue. All of yours are fake one or nonsense.
And when China use muscle to talk, of course, somebody, US for instant, will be very glad to use up her storage of weapon. Vietnamese hate bully-guys and are never afraid to sacrifice ( you've known this very clearly from thousands of years, haven't you )

that map is not a complete map, he just cut a small portion to prove himself was a liar.

PNoy wants US spy planes over West PHL Sea

Philippine President Benigno Aquino said on Monday he may ask the United States to deploy spy planes over the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) to help monitor the disputed waters, a move that could worsen tensions with its giant neighbour China.


China said last week it had begun "combat-ready" patrols in waters it said were under its control in the South China Sea, after saying it "vehemently opposed" a Vietnamese law asserting sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly islands.

PNoy wants US spy planes over West PHL Sea | GMA News Online | The Go-To Site for Filipinos Everywhere

we will see, I hope all sides dont back up. who have the right to win will eventually win.

 

[Rechoice]

Yes, Chinese troops killed them, that was at Vietnam invading Chinese occupied islands, not what you said Chinese were aggressive and not a prove of aggressive. Chinese was on defense side. Those Vietnamese should send to hell by invasion.
the others on your message were just BS.



On internet, you dont need to believe and agree anyone,
I just found some info indicated how other powers is thinking, at lease, you dont find any US creditable source with document
to prove your claim. If China, US, UN said the islands in SCS belongs to China, what your opinion is meaningless. believe or not is up to you.

Islands belong to Vietnam from long time in the past. Nguyen Dynastry of Vietnam has been taken official control Islands with out any debate with Qing Dynastry in China.
China robbed 1974, 1988. China has to respect laws world wide accepted and himself signed UNCLOS and turn it back to Vietnam.

 

[Rechoice]

that map is not a complete map, he just cut a small portion to prove himself was a liar.

we will see, I hope all sides dont back up. who have the right to win will eventually win.

Read here:
The Zhongguo Dilixue Jiaokeshu (Manual of geography of China) compiled in 1905 and published in 1906 says in the chapter Generalities: "In the South at 18°13 latitude North, the terminus being the coast of Yazhou, island of Hainan;

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...ground-vs-bullying-china-3.html#ixzz1zWNKwCl1

Chinese stating it in offical document of China.

Who is the liar today with nine dash with hilarious lies.

 

[Fil Pacifist]

because of the free press, the filipino press does not reflect the truth, but in the evilly biased way. see, just like the way you PR for your philippine goverment all above, your reasoning hides many truth in order to reach your biased conclusions. that is the way the press of the philippne does!

You must have been hypnotized by your Chinese masters . We have different media organizations in the Philippines, in fact some even publish pro-China propaganda which the Chinese 50 centers post here to support their ridiculous claim. There is no way for the government to control these media organizations, so there is no way these media organization sing the same tune to sway public opinion.
Your idea of logic is BS, probable effect of licking the a*s of your Chinese masters .

 

[Fil Pacifist]

Me, too. Just by reading the following:


List of terrorist incidents in the Philippines

Terrorism in the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice shot false flagger. Many countries experience terrorism, even the US did have 9/11.
Even your country have it:

Terrorism in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The difference is that we don't harbor and sponsor terrorism, unlike your love child:

Pak created and nurtured militants: Zardari - World News - IBNLive

 

[Yeti]

Philippines looks to US spy planes to contain Chinese aggression - Telegraph

 

[eachus]

Philippines looks to US spy planes to contain Chinese aggression - Telegraph

that is a nice game to watch.
Philippine backed off, ask US to send more spy planes,
and China will send more ships over there.
they push China to tighten the control over SCS.

 

[grandmaster]

You must have been hypnotized by your Chinese masters . We have different media organizations in the Philippines, in fact some even publish pro-China propaganda which the Chinese 50 centers post here to support their ridiculous claim. There is no way for the government to control these media organizations, so there is no way these media organization sing the same tune to sway public opinion.
Your idea of logic is BS, probable effect of licking the a*s of your Chinese masters .

you admitted that your goverment did not control philippine press. that is why philippine press likes to say innosense people about china in the way they want, of course they are liar and biased, they wont be responsible, fined or critized for misleading people! just see the way you guys filipino discuss reflect what you have learnt from your press. totally biased, misleading and hiding the truth! that is why your press is BS. stupid filipino wont be smart enough to aware of the truth!

 

[Yeti]

that is a nice game to watch.
Philippine backed off, ask US to send more spy planes,
and China will send more ships over there.
they push China to tighten the control over SCS.

the US Pacific Command made an initial offer to deploy the P3C Orion spy planes to the Philippines and help monitor disputed areas in the South China Sea after China increased its presence and activities near Reed Bank, part of the western Philippines Palawan island group.


US needs to sell them P8 instead like it did with India