China starts "combat ready" patrols in disputed seas

[ahfatzia]

You never know. FDR promised the American people not to bring their boys to war yet he wanted to get involved in fighting Hitler. Who knows what the next President or current President thinks when viewing the danger of China ruling all of Asia. What are the consequences of getting involved in a war between China and other countries of Asia and what consequences of not doing anything?

In China's view, I believe, the US will not interfered and since China is not going to fire the first shot, any skirmish will have to instigated by VN or PI. If such scenario arises, China will not hesitate to eliminate their forces in lighting speed because she is the defender and has world opinions on her side. By the time the US realizes what's going on, since her naval armories are not at the scene, it'll be too late for her to make any issues because such issues are not worth it after the facts.

You can't compare the Germany case in WWII to China here because Hitler was making huge offensive moves across Europe and FDR had his own public opinions on his side. In the case of SCS Obama will not get the full supports of his people, especially his forces are still tying up in the Middle East and with economical stagnation at home.

 

[QSeon]

not for that specific role no.. but us has missiles that are just as accurate and can knock out enemy ships anyway..

their ships also have guns with much greater distance then chinas too lol


sino... usa is just waiting for china to start a war.. it gives them the excuse, and they will get public support for war...they are waiting for the right time

Hi mate, what makes your being so cranky here? Did you or your parents immigrate from US or Vietnam or shining India? This is not Australians business. Does Chinas fall do any good for australiaa?

 

[ao333]

Compared to their land and air capabilities, communists are known to have crappy navies, which was also true for the Soviets. Let's see how this "unsheathing" unfolds.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I believe China's attitude and move are attributed to the US's Asia Pivot policy plus Aquino's 'on your face' challenges and Vietnam's 'step by step' moves against China. China can not back down now for if she does she'll lose all the readabilities at home and aboard, especially dangerous scenario in the former. She'll not fire the first shot however she'll challenge the US's every move with diplomacy to back them up. She's almost, in a way, telling the US this is what I'm going to do, the choice is yours.

I quite understand that there are moves being made by the US, the Philippines and by Vietnam, which are of concern to China. The question is, when we talk about a response by China, when you mention that "China cannot back down now", what are the legitimate actions open to China? Nobody will deny China the right to take steps to guard against international intervention. Everybody gets jittery when the steps China takes are on the fringes of violent action.

It is this distinction between what is permissible and what is not that appears to be different at different places.

You will readily understand from this that the outcome to fear is if one side thinks it is within the bounds of legitimacy, while the other believes that it is faced by the first stages of an attack, shortly to increase in momentum and intensity. All the ingredients for war are then present.

The US understand that because they both communicate with each other frequently and such message, I'm sure, has been transmitted. My take is the US, if any skirmish does happen, will stay on the sideline screaming fouls, but will not involve with her sailors. China will not fire the first shot and staying on the present status quo indefinitely while buying more time to upgrade her navel capacities.

 

[Killswitch]

If China uses force its intentions will be exposed.

Every single person who was called a "war monger" for warning of the massive military buildup in the PRC will be proven right.

There are many nations in Asia that will be almost forced into a military alliance against China, as it would be the only alternative to giving into Chinese territorial demands.

If the politburo wants the islands in the South China Sea it can take them by force, but there will be major costs involved.

I don't think the people running China are fools. They do not want most of Asia uniting (almost certainly with American assistance) against the PRC.

 

[ahfatzia]

I quite understand that there are moves being made by the US, the Philippines and by Vietnam, which are of concern to China. The question is, when we talk about a response by China, when you mention that "China cannot back down now", what are the legitimate actions open to China? Nobody will deny China the right to take steps to guard against international intervention. Everybody gets jittery when the steps China takes are on the fringes of violent action.

It is this distinction between what is permissible and what is not that appears to be different at different places.

You will readily understand from this that the outcome to fear is if one side thinks it is within the bounds of legitimacy, while the other believes that it is faced by the first stages of an attack, shortly to increase in momentum and intensity. All the ingredients for war are then present.

China's position, for years, was clear for the members that are involved in the SCS disputes, " come to the table and we'll talk one on one and find solutions peacefully", meaning joint developments. China, even right after Apr 8 Scarborough Shoal incident, did not and have not sent a single warship to the area and urged Aquino repeatedly to use diplomatic solutions rather than internationalized the matter. Aquino went the other way and pushed for the US helps. The US is using these invitations to parade her warships and submarine around and pushing nations in the area for military alliances. At the same time Vietnam also comes in for the fun.

The success of Aquino's PR war and western medias' bias put China in a bully position. How would you or anyone expect China to react? Swallow the bitter pill and retreat? What would the US do if she is in China's shoes? The logical conclusion is the hawk elements in the ruling party will take over and defend what they perceived are theirs with all the might.

 

[ahfatzia]

The US will stress "engagement and cooperation" with China at security talks next month in Southeast Asia, where nations are wary of getting caught up in a superpower rivalry, Kurt Campbell, assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, said on Wednesday.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/717851.shtml


My hope is the US be able to push her so called 'allies' to negotiate with China. Any war now is not the best of interest for anyone.

 

[eachus]

--"Based on Australia's war with Japan in WW2 I think its great. Would China like to be part of that as well?"

I dont know if Australia was part of WW2 alliance. the whole world know UN 5 powers were the winner and alliance in WW2. they are USA, China, Russia, France and UK.



--"There are many nations in Asia that will be almost forced into a military alliance against China, as it would be the only alternative to giving into Chinese territorial demands."

Daydreaming is very common amount Indian members. You dont want to know the facts but other countries is aware and have to consider the facts. China spends $150+B/year in defense and grows fast, each dollar China spent on defense has power equals 3 dollar Indian spent. Think about India is only 1/4 of the size compare to China, China ignores Indian so far. Even India united all those Asian countries together, they are still much smaller in power and size. without economic bound, such alliance is weak and groundless. India maybe interested to join other counties against China, yet China has its solution make the cost too high for India. such alliance does not exist and will not exist.

 

[26-K]

Come on no need to spam Navy pics. Were only talking about Vietnam and PH here, this is overkill.

 

[tvsram1992]

Come on no need to spam Navy pics. Were only talking about Vietnam and PH here, this is overkill.

When PH and Vietnam brothers go defensive , the damage that China can do is far little . That is the same same technique which Pakistan does , first they attack us , when they are losing they go defensive and think saving themselves is winning war . Of course damage will be high on both sides .

 

[beijingwalker]

When PH and Vietnam brothers go defensive , the damage that China can do is far little . That is the same same technique which Pakistan does , first they attack us , when they are losing they go defensive and think saving themselves is winning war . Of course damage will be high on both sides .

they dont even have a navy ,dont know how can they cause damage to us??

 

[NiceGuy]

China's position, for years, was clear for the members that are involved in the SCS disputes, " come to the table and we'll talk one on one and find solutions peacefully", meaning joint developments. China, even right after Apr 8 Scarborough Shoal incident, did not and have not sent a single warship to the area and urged Aquino repeatedly to use diplomatic solutions rather than internationalized the matter. Aquino went the other way and pushed for the US helps. The US is using these invitations to parade her warships and submarine around and pushing nations in the area for military alliances. At the same time Vietnam also comes in for the fun.

Why china doesn't come to international court of justice and talk instead ??

The success of Aquino's PR war and western medias' bias put China in a bully position. How would you or anyone expect China to react? Swallow the bitter pill and retreat? What would the US do if she is in China's shoes? The logical conclusion is the hawk elements in the ruling party will take over and defend what they perceived are theirs with all the might.

Of course china is bullier, no one can't see any isl from her map in Qing dynasty.So, she has No rights to take that shoal from Phil
.

 

[hoangsa]

when China just planing, don't act. Vietnam pay attention and worry. Other nations are easily cheated by sweety beautiful statements from Chinese leaders. People belive but Vietnam never believe in her greedy neighboor, we smile and prepare for a big combat in future.

When China act more than planning. Vietnam don't worry and verry glad to say to the world " You see, that is real face of China ". The other nations are no more cheated by so called " peaceful rising ", then thay will have the right actions. Vietnam is always well prepared for the worst case : invasion from her North neighboor

 

[trinity]

Now when Vietnam call for our help everybody will be like US stop sticking your nose it other countries affairs.

No problem for the US......just make sure Vietnam makes it public and ask the US to intervene, then it will qwell ppl's accusations.

 

[beijingwalker]

it's going to be a sea battle and it wont last long,we don't have land diputes.

No problem for the US......just make sure Vietnam makes it public and ask the US to intervene, then it will qwell ppl's accusations.

they did in 1974,and US was treaty bound to help S.Vietnam,but the fact is that US 7th fleet just sat there from some distance and watched their beloved ally sink to the bottom.