China starts "combat ready" patrols in disputed seas

[Hasbara Buster]

I really can't wait to see Chinese warships near U.S. coasts doing exercises with Iran, Cuba or Venezuela.

 

[vietnamquehuongngaonghe]

Phim Ho

Chinese scholars "-shaped line" will disappear!
Management Command U.S. scholars: "The global economic cascade unitary current, the persistent so-called" Borderline 9 paragraph "is outdated and unnecessary."

The international experts talk about "the tongue"
Claims-shaped line on the East Coast is absurd
Chinese scholars reject "-shaped line"
On 14/6 last, a seminar entitled "South China Sea disputes, national sovereignty and international rules" were the Institute of Economic Research Tac Thien and electronic media organization Sina.com.

Here, Commander U.S. scholar Li (born 1946), Research Center for Chinese information oceanographer, author of more than 90 articles about the sea and maritime law published in the Chinese press, there were frank speech criticizing the wrong point on the South China Sea issue, denied so-called "ninth paragraph boundaries" (also known as "shaped line"), advocated settlement of disputes by " United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982 "and international law.


Order Flowers Before scholar Li's new moves such as the Chinese authorities declared the so-called "Sansha City", for marine Oil Company (CNOOC) invited international tenders nine lots located entirely in continental shelf and exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles from Vietnam, the United Order Management scholars continue to express their views on web forums Sina.com.
In the latest article titled "On the map border 200 miles on the South Sea (East Sea) drawn by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982", published online at 19h48 'on 03/07/2012 He has published a photo mapping the exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles (EEZ) in relation to the water around the South China Sea, which made clear the area, which China claims as so-called is "Borderline 9 paragraph" completely within the exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles from Vietnam.

The article reported: "The map is from a blogger's post. We can say, this map is a map border and continental shelf, exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles in the South Sea (East Sea) is drawn in the spirit of "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982" .

In the spirit of this Convention, each coastal state has the continental shelf and exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles wide.

In the future, governments through negotiations (with attitude) positive and friendly, after the maritime border between the countries surrounding the South Sea (East Sea) are determined, the so-called "boundary about nine the "history (also called a dotted line on the South Sea) will disappear.

After determining the international maritime boundary on the South Sea (East Sea), the surrounding water can be extensively water space, facilitate the exploitation of marine resources, marine environment protection and scientific research.

Everyone gets richer, more prosperous China will, prosper. Meanwhile, a South Sea (East Sea) peace, cooperation and a new friendship soon became a reality. "

Earlier, on 18/06/2012, U.S. Commander Li wrote "There should not be outdated perceptions about the Borderline 9", vehemently criticizing the wrong opinion of some scholars in China.

The article reported: "Professor Li Kim Minh at Xiamen University has written several articles on the South Sea (East Sea) published in the newspapers and magazines in the country, said about" Path of History "(ie" Road 9 the border ").

Many of his opinion explaining the South Sea (East Sea) is vague and outdated. I think Kim Ly Minh confirmed that so-called "Borderline 9 the" negative and ambiguous "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982" is completely wrong.

Traditional maritime boundary of China, as Ly Quoc Hung Professor at Shanghai Jiaotong University said - "it does not have experience, specific latitude, there is no legal basis.

If confirmed, "The boundaries ninth paragraph" the Chinese government is not necessary to determine and declare the basics and the territorial sea baseline; as no need to prepare a statement on the territorial basis points 2nd do "...

2011 Annual Meeting of the China Law of the Sea in Lushan meeting 8/2011 has big mistake on the orientation, see generally the problem of determining the territorial basis points, even in states that are also on "the Borderline 9."

The book "The Practice of international law and the case China" by State Department officials published in 2011 (Shen Jie Long-editor) has asserted ambiguity "ninth paragraph boundaries", said the basic path too long a ... cause unnecessary confusion for marine research and marine planning in China.

Every night on Central Television in China after the news program is repertory Weather, all appear "Borderline 9 paragraph" on the map South Sea (East Sea). But everyone knows, it was just a surreal way.

Worldwide, all bordering on land or at sea are all practical ways. In the current global economic operators unitary current that persisted in the "ninth paragraph boundaries" then it is outdated and unnecessary ". /.

According to Pioneer

 

[vietnamquehuongngaonghe]

You are very rude to speak a Peace. We have to take legal arguments and to talk

 

[Sanchez]

I really can't wait to see Chinese warships near U.S. coasts doing exercises with Iran, Cuba or Venezuela.

Don't worry! We'll nail down the ducks one by one...

 

[gambit]

I really can't wait to see Chinese warships near U.S. coasts doing exercises with Iran, Cuba or Venezuela.

Not going to happen. Cuba is on the way to being an unofficial VOLUNTARY American colony. Venezuela will get rid of Chavez soon. And Iran will have no navy worth leaving sight of land.

 

[ahfatzia]

China is Cuba's top trading partner after Venezuela, with bilateral trade worth $1.8 billion a year. And even before Thursday's announcement, China had been a vital source of credit for the cash-strapped communist island.

The countries' close relationship dates back to 1960 when Cuba formally recognized communist rule in Beijing.

Ties grew even closer after the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, which precipitated Cuba's downward economic spiral from which the country is still trying to recover.

China is Cuba's main supplier of rice, a staple food item on the island. Bilateral trade totaled $269 million in 2010, according to official statistics.

China pledges financial aid to Cuba's Castro - Channel NewsAsia

 

[Viet]

Maybe the Vietnamese men can marry the Philippine girls once they return home from their contract as maids.

no thanks. Personally I find chinese girls are better, especially those from Shanghai. They are beautifull, taller and have lighter skin.

 

[EastSea]

China is Cuba's top trading partner after Venezuela, with bilateral trade worth $1.8 billion a year. And even before Thursday's announcement, China had been a vital source of credit for the cash-strapped communist island.

The countries' close relationship dates back to 1960 when Cuba formally recognized communist rule in Beijing.

Ties grew even closer after the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, which precipitated Cuba's downward economic spiral from which the country is still trying to recover.

China is Cuba's main supplier of rice, a staple food item on the island. Bilateral trade totaled $269 million in 2010, according to official statistics.

China pledges financial aid to Cuba's Castro - Channel NewsAsia

In cold war, from 1979 years China has been insulting Cuba. and called Vietnam as Eastern Cuban to get favor of new daddy Uncle Sam. He he.
Chinese changed his idea very quickly

 

[terranMarine]

no thanks. Personally I find chinese girls are better, especially those from Shanghai. They are beautifull, taller and have lighter skin.

So you are saying Vietnames girls are ugly, dark and short? You might find Chinese girls better but i wonder if they find Vietnamese guys better LOL. BTW that's not so nice of you talking that way about your own people is it?

 

[ahfatzia]

In cold war, from 1979 years China has been insulting Cuba. and called Vietnam as Eastern Cuban to get favor of new daddy Uncle Sam. He he.
Chinese changed his idea very quickly

I like to see how you going to backup what you just said, or you're trolling.

On topic.

China, Philippines did sign UNCLOS but with so many special conditions on either side, that it would render itself practically useless from a legal point of view to interpret properly, let alone judge.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

I like to see how you going to backup what you just said, or you're trolling.

On topic.

China, Philippines did sign UNCLOS but with so many special conditions on either side, that it would render itself practically useless from a legal point of view to interpret properly, let alone judge.

Read this:

Chinese assertion based on historical claims must be substantiated by a clear historic title. It should be noted that under public international law, historical claims are not historical titles. A claim by itself, including historical claim, could not be a basis for acquiring a territory.

Under international law, the modes of acquiring a territory are: discovery, effective occupation, prescription, cession, and accretion. Also, under public international law, for a historical claim to mature into a historical title, a mere showing of long usage is not enough.

Other criteria have to be satisfied such as that the usage must be open, continuous, adverse or, in the concept of an owner, peaceful and acquiesced by other states. Mere silence by other states to one’s claim is not acquiescence under international law. Acquiescence must be affirmative such that other states recognize such claim as a right on the part of the claimant that other states ought to respect as a matter of duty. There is no indication that the international community have acquiesced to China’s so-called historical claim.

In relation to name-giving and maps, name-giving (or names in general), and placing of land features on maps, these are also not bases in determining sovereignty. In international case law relating to questions of sovereignty and ownership of land features, names and maps are not significant factors in the determination of international tribunals’ determination of sovereignty.

 

[ahfatzia]

^^^

You could say the same to the Philippines' claims as I seen a few Spanish maps here in the forum the Huangyan Island wasn't on them. At least the Chinese claim went back far in history where as the new Filipino republic didn't put the islands on her map until the 90s when oil was a possibility in the area.

 

[WuMaoCleverbot]

^^^

You could say the same to the Philippines' claims as I seen a few Spanish maps here in the forum the Huangyan Island wasn't on them(you can't find Huangyan Island because it's called Bajo de Masinloc in Philippine-Spanish map). At least the Chinese claim went back far in history(but China can't identify the specific historical document, don't have also the 1270 map, and Chinese historical claim is not recognized in international law )where as the new Filipino republic didn't put the islands on her map(Philippine-Spanish map and the 1903 US Philippine territorial map shows scarborough is part of the Philippine Islands)until the 90s when oil was a possibility in the area.

Our claim is backed by international law(UNCLOS), China's historical claim is NOT recognized by international law.

Read this:

The basis of Philippine sovereignty and jurisdiction over the rock features of Bajo de Masinloc is not premised on the cession by Spain of the Philippine archipelago to the United States under the Treaty of Paris. The matter that the rock features of Bajo de Masinloc are not included or within the limits of the Treaty of Paris as alleged by China is therefore immaterial and of no consequence.

Philippine sovereignty and jurisdiction over the rocks of Bajo de Masinloc is likewise not premised on proximity or the fact that the rocks are within its 200-NM EEZ or CS under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Although the Philippines necessarily exercise sovereign rights over its EEZ and CS, nonetheless, the reason why the rock features of Bajo de Masinloc are Philippine territories is anchored on other principles of public international law.

As decided in a number of cases by international courts or tribunals, most notably the Palmas Island Case, a modality for acquiring territorial ownership over a piece of real estate is effective exercise of jurisdiction. Indeed, in that particular case, sovereignty over the Palmas Island was adjudged in favor of the Netherlands on the basis of “effective exercise of jurisdiction,” although the said island may have been historically discovered by Spain and historically ceded to the U.S. in the Treaty of Paris.

In the case of Bajo de Masinloc, the Philippines has exercised both effective occupation and effective jurisdiction over Bajo de Masinloc since its independence.

The name Bajo de Masinloc (translated as “under Masinloc&#8221 itself identifies the shoal as a particular political subdivision of the Philippine province of Zambales, known as Masinloc.

One of the earliest known and most accurate maps of the area, named Carta Hydrographical y Chorographica De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murillo Velarde, SJ, and published in 1734, included Bajo de Masinloc as part of Zambales.

The name Bajo de Masinloc was a name given to the shoal by the Spanish colonizers. In 1792, another map drawn by the Alejandro Malaspina expedition and published in 1808 in Madrid, Spain, also showed Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory. This map showed the route of the Malaspina expedition to and around the shoal. It was reproduced in the Atlas of the 1939 Philippine Census.

The Mapa General, Islas Filipinas, Observatorio de Manila, published in 1990 by the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey, also included Bajo de Masinloc as part of the Philippines.

Philippine flags have been erected on some of the islets of the shoal, including a flag raised on an 8.3-meter high flagpole in 1965 and another Philippine flag raised by Congressmen Roque Ablan and Jose Yap in 1997. In 1965, the Philippines also built and operated a small lighthouse in one of the islets in the shoal. In 1992, the Philippine Navy rehabilitated the lighthouse and reported it to the International Maritime Organization for publication in the List of Lights (currently, this lighthouse is not operational).

Bajo de Masinloc was also used as an impact range by Philippine and U.S. Naval Forces stationed in Subic Bay in Zambales for defense purposes. The Philippines Department of Environment and Natural Resources, together with the University of the Philippines, has also been conducting scientific, topographic, and marine studies in the shoal. Filipino fishermen have always considered it as their fishing grounds, owing to their proximity to the coastal towns and areas of Southwest Luzon.

In 2009, when the Philippines passed an amended Archipelagic Baselines Law that is fully consistent with the Law of the Sea, Bajo de Masinloc’s was classified under the “Regime of Islands” consistent with the Law of the Sea.

Section 2. The baseline in the following areas over which the Philippines likewise exercises sovereignty and jurisdiction shall be determined as “Regime of Islands” under the Republic of the Philippines consistent with Article 121 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS):

a) The Kalayaan Island Group as constituted under Presidential Decree No. 1596; and

b) Bajo de Masinloc, also known as Scarborough Shoal.

 

[ahfatzia]

^^^

Your two maps are unclear as where the Scarborough Shoal is and on the second map, the international line drawn by an unknown cartographer living 10,000 miles away, centuries ago, is ridiculous. Your article, probably written by a blogger or some so called Filipino expert, has no link and if I, or you, want I can search the Global Time archive and find many more opinion pieces to counter your argument.

One fact that's international recognized is Philippines did not include the islands in her maps before the 90s and the flag you mentioned was planted on 1997. Didn't China claimed she erected something on Huangyan that was removed?

Here's something you should look at (The first link has one of your map). I'm not here to argue with you because I'm an outsider and my interest is not as intense as yours or the Chinese, however I did look into Global Time and other sites months back and read some of their legal arguments and they seemed much stronger than your unlinked piece.

According to Treaty of Paris(1898) between the United States and Spain, Treaty of Washington(1900) between Spain and the United States, Treaty between Great Britain and the United States(1930), Constitution of the Philippines (1935), Republic Act No. 3046 "Act to Define the Baselines of the Territorial Sea of the Philippines"(1961), and all the maps published by Philippines official until 1990s, 118th degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich is the territorial limit line of Philippines. Scarborough Shoal is obvious outside this limits, and Philippines has never made claim or put dispute on Scarborough Shoal, which is internationally recognized as territory of China. But in the following years, Philippines made an unilateral decision to include Scarborough Shoal as its territory, ignoring China's opposition.

Most Philippines maps published by Spain and United States in 18th and 19th century does not show Scarborough Shoal or show it as foreign territory, for example, in the same color as Malaysia and China.

Several Spanish Maps predate in 1734 and 1900 showing the Scarborough Shoal not the Philippine Territory http://www.zamboanga.net/murillomap3.jpg (there is no Scarborough Shoal in this map) and http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa281/manileno/panatag.jpg (the color of Scarborough Shoal is white, the same as Malaysia and China, thus the foreign territory.)

(The piece is from Wikipedia)

 

[Viet]

So you are saying Vietnames girls are ugly, dark and short? You might find Chinese girls better but i wonder if they find Vietnamese guys better LOL. BTW that's not so nice of you talking that way about your own people is it?

relax. well, I see a lot of chinese guys with postings about viet girls. just thinking may be the time to post a comment about chinese girls. I work here in a area where you can see some from Shanghai. They come to work every morning, and these girls are really hot.
anyway what I said it´s just a personal preference.