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It is not particularly about the economy or losing men.

It is just not China's business. Those who created this mess are responsible to clear it off.


The Syrian situation would have been solved much earlier had there not been a specific NATO+Gulf effort to import, train, feed, and equip foreign Jihadists to fight in Syria.

ISIS has evolved from Al Nusra. And, before ISIS, al Nusra was the hardliner terrorist in US book. The FSA was the moderate.

FSA is gone. Now, al Nusra is the moderate and the ISIS is the target.

Why they think they try to fool?

It's everyone's business, leaving it for someone else is not the mature thing to do or the responsible thing to do. America didn't have to help China after WW2, they did anyways(nationalists), did they get benefits? Yes, but it's not like we would walk in there with nothing to show for it.

The blame game is only fun if you are poor and weak, for China, a world leader, the blame game is boring and counter productive as our interests in the ME is not small.

@Nihonjin1051 @SvenSvensonov

agree with the combat and peace keeping thing, and the combat death, I would say we probably won't respond well.



@Nihonjin1051 I agree with @Genesis - though not for the same reasons. With its own insurgency problems and reputation for suppressing Muslim rights, the last thing China needs is to start doing what the US is doing and exacerbate its problems at home and internationally in the Muslim community. The act of bringing the fight to ISIS will massively increase the incentive of insurgents to attack China and this benefits no one at all - though perhaps it can bring China and the US closure in military cooperation. Still, the risks are too high.

Also, China isn't use to military related deaths, who knows how the general public will react to videos, pictures and stories of Chinese soldiers being killed? Even in a highly restrictive media environment, rumors tend to find their way to people ears and eyes. For a nation that isn't used to or experienced with war, we can't predict how the people of China are going to react to the deaths of their citizens. Can China afford the protests and civil unrest, can it afford to crackdown hard on any dissent? Or would it lets these situations simmer? Perhaps China would end up like the US in Vietnam and its intervention would fail due domestic pressures?

I don't see China's economic transition as justification to continue its path of non-interference (I consider this an oxymoron), I believe the risks are too great for China considering its own already poor reputation abroad and its problems at home.

China can make a difference in this fight, I don't think it should put itself in a position that would further increase its problems with militancy and insurgency in its territory.

Also, what happens if China fails badly - being a bit hypothetical here, but China doesn't exactly have an experienced military... at least not a military with any real world conflicts (training doesn't replicate war no matter how hard you train). What if it turns out China can't make the difference or impact the US can? What does this do to China's military, international perception - especially among its SCS rivals and neighbors and in the US? Can China afford any military failures on an international stage?

Seeing as how NATO response and effect is nothing, I can't see how we can do worse than that.

The insurgency problem is overblown, it's real and it exist, but they are not really a threat.

Think about it logically, why would a normal person want anything to do with terror, they want a good life, what does it matter who the government is. The Western government underestimates our achievements and how desirable the effects are. They fail to see we are the shinning light abroad or domestically.

Only it appears dark because you guys are much better, but drink from a puddle a few times and see how you would see China now.

Our problems at home are overblown, you see HK rising and you think damn China is done, what they don't tell you, or one dude did but is apparently a CCP bot, typical..... We don't like HKers, if we were planning a protest and HK were to, just to spite them we would stay home.

Nobody in China supports them, well not nobody, nobody that matters or in numbers.


So in conclusion, trouble at home over blown, fear of failure(only the fear of death due to inexperience, can't really fail other ways, I mean what more can go wrong), non existent, economy yes, death obviously.
 
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We have enough with US's Asian pivot, we should concentrate our force to consolidate our strenght to set a smooth sail with our "peacefull rising" while let Americans budge with ISIS...they made the mess on this world, let them carry this burden while we sit on the hill and watch ->坐山观虎斗 :D

Very well said.

US does not want the ISIS to be destroyed, after all.

If it really wanted, it would not train al Nusra terrorists in Turkey.

You really want to end ISIS? Ask Turkey to seal of the border. ISIS will be finished.

It is not that the Iraqi and Syrian Armies are not killing these terrorists. But, the human flow is greater than the number of terrorists killed.

Why do you think the ISIS now improved a double-suicide bomber strategy? Because it has manpower.

To kill the ISIS off, you need to cut the chicken's head. You know what I mean.

If the US is really sincere to fight ISIS, then, it should have said a few words to Israel who killed an Iranian commander that happened to fight the ISIS.

Again, China won't under any condition, be involved in the particular US proxy war other than seeking a UN-mandated political solution.
 
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I don't see China's economic transition as justification to continue its path of non-interference
The problem sir as I see it is that you look at China from the western mindset. What you need to do is look at it from the point of view of China.
  • The Chinese way has always been extreme patience. They will never rush into a war nor will they go so far away to fight one.
  • they have this belief that the United States is one of the primary reasons that the region is in such disarray and they expect them to fix it themselves.
  • they will not go is because the same country (US) which asks for their help is always criticizing them and provoking them with supplying weapons to Taiwan.
  • Lastly they do not trust the United States.
 
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It's everyone's business, leaving it for someone else is not the mature thing to do or the responsible thing to do. America didn't have to help China after WW2, they did anyways(nationalists), did they get benefits? Yes, but it's not like we would walk in there with nothing to show for it.

The blame game is only fun if you are poor and weak, for China, a world leader, the blame game is boring and counter productive as our interests in the ME is not small.

It is not everybody's business. Cut short the history lesson. This is not WWII situation. This is a terrorist organization whose main source of manpower is across the Turkey-Syria border.

China as a responsible nation fights terrorism at home and busts networks that provide fake passports to terrorists that wish to join ISIS.

That's responsible enough.

Enemy's enemy is our friend.No reason to fight ISIS.

It is definitely not a friend. But, also none of China's business. ISIS is a branch of al Nusra, which later outgrew it. al Nusra is now the moderate terrorists that the US feeds, equips and trains.

Who knows, in the future, they will ask China to responsibly fight al Nusra.
 
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It is not everybody's business. Cut short the history lesson. This is not WWII situation. This is a terrorist organization whose main source of manpower is across the Turkey-Syria border.

China as a responsible nation fights terrorism at home and busts networks that provide fake passports to terrorists that wish to join ISIS.

That's responsible enough.



It is definitely not a friend. But, also none of China's business. ISIS is a branch of al Nusra, which later outgrew it. al Nusra is now the moderate terrorists that the US trains.

Who knows, in the future, they will ask China to responsibly fight al Nusra.
But ISIS is US's enemy,and The US is our Enemy,so ISIS should be our friend.Just like the US supported Al Kaeda to fight Soviet Union.What part don't you understand?It's just Chinese don't have the guts and don't care about ISIS,but that doesn't change the fact that ISIS should be our friend.
 
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to the world interest? Yes, of course, almost most definitely, to Chinese interest? No.

First of all, ISIS is a global problem, you have to dislodge your enemy before they settle in an area. ISIS is jow currently settle in Iraq and Syria border and potentially spilled over Turkey, Iran and even as far as afghanistan. Which if you look at it like this, they are at the gateway of Central Asia.

Any delay in dislodging ISIS mean fanning it grow, the only way you can make sure it would have never exist is by killing it when the Idea is still in infancy, meaning, now.

However, on the Chinese prospective, they dont want another mess with radical muslim, already have to deal with uyghur in their north west province, the last thing Chinese want to do is to have the problem expand. Seems like not touching ISIS now would mean you stay out of their way and they stayed out yours. Not involving may seems like a good idea for Chinese

However at this point, ISIS grew strong simply because they bet on inactiveness of other government and they keep winning on that bet. Before ISIS were beaten offf to Syria border, they bet on Iraq will not care about them anymore and start grewing in Syria, they bet on Iraqi would think this is a syria problem, then when they get back to Iraq timing precisely after the US left, they bet on Iran wont do a thing and think this is a Iraqi problem. And they did. Sames goes with Kurdish and turkey, Turkey will think its the kirx problem, while the kurd supposed think Iraqi supposed to protect them...

It worth notice that China, although safe for now, is uncomfortably close to the whole mess, And ISIS is only going to presist until somebody have a substancial army start challenging it, and China would still betting on "This is somebody's else problem" until it suddently appear in Chinese western border.

The real question is, how many time chinese think "its someone's else problem" before ISIS start knocking on Chinese door step. And would it be too late by then?

A very interesting analysis, Gary. The issue of the radicalization of some cells in Xinjiang is a real threat, albeit the fact that the majority of Uighyurs in China are integrating, some are being radicalized from abroad , where they are influenced by Salafist Jihad Doctrines. In fact, the same problem is affecting Pakistan's own northwestern Khyber region where Taliban --- through support from abroad--- continue to be a problem for Pakistan's own internal security. In fact there was a thread started by @Horus --- which inquired about the possibility of Pakistan contributing to the fight against ISIS. It seems -- to me that is-- that many countries in ASIA, including Pakistan, China, now Japan and many others have their national security at stake due to the possibility of ISIS supporters crossing intO our borders.
 
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ISIS is Sunni Arabs' nation building initiative and such task is definitely a dirty job. Instead of a terrorist organization, ISIS resemble more like a state providing public service.

The USA are helping ISIS to the extend of nearly going to war with Assad. USA and GCC still help by funneling arms and help to chameleon FSA, pretending not knowing that many of ISIS cell and factions were former FSA.

However, in the meantime, USA strike ISIS if she go overboard for example, if ISIS attacks Kurdistan,
 
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What can China & Japan do, where even the US failed to accomplish after spending a decade in that region? Even neighbouring powers like KSA, Turkey, Iran, etc have not fully put their boots on the ground so to speak.

The ultimate issue is still one of battle of the minds & hearts. The fact that many nut cases are making their way there, has boolstered ISIS twisted reputation as the place to be if you want to do something for Islam against the world of unbelievers, not to mention the place to highlight their own agenda as a cause for "Islamic action". Even the local decent Sunnis are seen as not fit to be in the eyes of the prophet, what reaction will they make/get when unbelievers like China or Japan enters the fray?

The last thing we need is for the scums to use foreign actors as the catalyst to make a global jihad, like what the Crusade did in the middle ages. Already Europe is suffering & gets dragged deeper into the hole, perhaps we will see a unfortunate Crusade 2.0?

IMHO, the one to lead any campaign in this mess, should be a Muslim country, one that can stand as a beacon of Islam righteousness, the true opposite to ISIS's sinister image. Sanctioned for action under the UN mandate & gather a great host including both Islamic & non-Islamic countries, you don't need many troops, but you want many participants, then we can truely crush ISIS with a balanced frame of mind, where no one can point fingers & find fault in action & deeds.

And then we will have to worry all over again how to maintain peace & stability after that. Thinking about it gives one unending headaches.

Just my 2 cts.
 
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Enemy's enemy is our friend.No reason to fight ISIS.

This what Americans are doing in Asia, trying to stir up trouble knowing that Japan and some other south Asians countries don't get along well with China. We can very well reciprocate by helping ISIS, Iran and other American's foe in south America but I think China don't want to use up options vis-a-vis US (打草惊蛇) but be patient and study further American imperialism behavior and their agressiveness pattern on war fighting so we can prepare ourself better when time to settle some scores.
 
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The ISIS is so sophiscated that she even provide an annual report of investment and expenditure. ISIS is not simple insurgencies, she has brought insurgencies to a new level of accountability and corporate responsibility. ISIS is the brainchild of patriotic reactionary Sunni with full support of technocrat.

People who think that ISIS as a shitbag terrorist need to have their brain check.

Why intervene Sunni Arabs' nation building.

http://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/al-binc481-magazine-1.pdf


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Actually, China didn't deploy their combat troops 70kilometers away from their border for over 60 years for a war.
They didn't make sure they could join such a war.

The problem sir as I see it is that you look at China from the western mindset. What you need to do is look at it from the point of view of China.
  • The Chinese way has always been extreme patience. They will never rush into a war nor will they go so far away to fight one.
  • they have this belief that the United States is one of the primary reasons that the region is in such disarray and they expect them to fix it themselves.
  • they will not go is because the same country (US) which asks for their help is always criticizing them and provoking them with supplying weapons to Taiwan.
  • Lastly they do not trust the United States.
 
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