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Bussard Ramjet

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As every one knows, the anti-corruption movement is going strong.

One thing that China could have avoided by necessary measures by simply learning from India was the condition of policy paralysis.
What happens is that officials are very willing to work extra hard when they are given a free hand, decision making power, and special incentives (here in the form of bribes) when they are doing so. It is just human tendency, which nothing can change.

In anti-corruption purges like these, a special incentive is lost. Not only this, officials and enforcers become extra worried. It is a natural result of anti-corruption purges. Just imagine, when you someone is watching you over the house and is suspecting you, even threatening you with every decision that you take. Obviously you can't take every decision to be as efficient as possible. You hear, that your neighbor was shot in his house, by the watching eye, because instead of buying vegetables for $1 / kg, he bought them at $1.2/kg. This is standard recipe for policy paralysis.

This same thing happened to India. India was growing at a comfortable 8-9%, before 2009, but then suddenly two things happened. The general gloomy international environment, and the strings of anti-corruption movements by various political and civil groups. This led to complete policy paralysis. COMPLETE!

The fear in some officials was so high, that after the new Government came to power, the PM was even forced to give his word that he wouldn't let any official to be unfairly targeted, will allow them space for policy implementation etc.

China should have learned from purges. There are essentially these issues that need to be addressed:
1. How to avoid Policy Paralysis?

A sample piece:

Reliance Communications 's talks to sell undersea cable assets to China's Citic Telecom International Holdings Ltd. for more than $500 million have stalled, four people with knowledge of the matter said.

Citic Telecom is losing interest after Lin Zhenhui, the former chairman of China Mobile Ltd.'s Hong Kong wireless arm, took office as its new chief executive officer last month, one of the people said. Talks floundered in part because the new CEO wasn't keen to pursue a deal so early in his tenure at the government-controlled firm, the person said, asking not to be identified as the information is private.​

How great a deal that would have been! Not only strategically, but economically!

India has around 250 million internet users, and is the fastest growing by users in any major economy. It is simply because of the base, we are starting from a smaller base, where China already has reached 750 million users.

And mind you, this deal was being done by Reliance, because it was in debt overall. The telecommunications sector in India is a very profit making business, and the Reliance firms are deeply politically connected -- so they are very stable. They won't allow anything to happen to themselves.

2. How to institutionalize the anti Corruption movement?

Generally in western nations, people deal with corruption by using these things --
Freedom of Speech and Press
Rule of Law
Independent Judiciary
Independent Anti-Corruption and Auditing Bodies

How is China going to institutionalize (i.e. make it inherent in the system) anti-corruption?

3. How to create an environment where the best are joining the Civil Services and Bureaucracy?

It is the most important thing. It is a basic human tendency to chose comfortable pay and incentives, regardless of patriotism of people. You must have a system that attracts the best of the people. Earlier it was done by lavish lifestyle of Officers, and deep monetary benefits. Every top college had numerous kids who wanted to join Bureaucracy.

What about now? You must raise base pay at least 5 times, but also create strong incentives for good performance. When the system is wide open and attractive enough for everyone to enter, the corruption also decreases. If the official gets decent pays and good bonuses, like corporates, many people are attracted.
 
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buhahaha here we go china now should learn from india ????? as if india is a role model of some kind for all the neighboring countries .....
@Shotgunner51 @AndrewJin @hexagonsnow @Yizhi @xudeen @Keel
Well, you know, people have their claims and no need to hurt them. I think better thing we can learn from India is like having better English education. But really cannot agree with @Bussard Ramjet. Sir, these things are truly some aspects where China shall do better. But...don't get me wrong, I don't really think it's India that China should learn these things from.

China society works different than India
You are right. China is still China no matter a so-called communist government or else. The model is based on and only suitable for China.
 
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Well, you know, people have their claims and no need to hurt them. I think better thing we can learn from India is like having better English education. But really cannot agree with @Bussard Ramjet. Sir, these things are truly some aspects where China shall do better. But...don't get me wrong, I don't really think it's India that China should learn these things from.

Well said bro.

@waz I didn't see any tag alert from @Pomegranate ... system error?
 
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There are a lot of pilot programs other developing countries are doing that have been quite successful on the local or regional level, and provinces/cities could learn a lot through exchange here. It's not wise to dismiss India or Brazil's efforts.
 
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There are a lot of pilot programs other developing countries are doing that have been quite successful on the local or regional level, and provinces/cities could learn a lot through exchange here. It's not wise to dismiss India or Brazil's efforts.
It's not about dismissing,bro, just different developmental models, one thing is good for A, doesn't mean is also good for B. Like different clothes for different persons
 
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It's not about dismissing,bro, just different developmental models, one thing is good for A, doesn't mean is also good for B. Like different clothes for different persons

Yes that's true. But if you look at the local, state, regional, city level there are lot of ideas out there. People are literally fighting for their lives in developing regions across the world and some have come up with creative local solutions that would be very helpful to smaller administrations in China.

Even when these programs are not successful they are useful as case studies. China has generally been pretty good at learning from other countries and their failures, but I think it's best to keep in mind that almost any country has lessons for others to learn.
 
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Yes that's true. But if you look at the local, state, regional, city level there are lot of ideas out there. People are literally fighting for their lives in developing regions across the world and some have come up with creative local solutions that would be very helpful to smaller administrations in China.

Even when these programs are not successful they are useful as case studies. China has generally been pretty good at learning from other countries and their failures, but I think it's best to keep in mind that almost any country has lessons for others to learn.
That's what i said we have something to learn from India. Agree with what u've pointed out, but now what this thread pointed out. Chinese are pragmatists as opposed to ideology preachers.
 
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That's what i said we have something to learn from India. Agree with what u've pointed out, but now what this thread pointed out. Chinese are pragmatists as opposed to ideology preachers.

Basically I'm in complete concurrence with Truth here.

I am not asking you to adopt Indian system in any shape or form.

I am just saying that had you been studying India, you would know that while doing your own anti-corruption thing, policy paralysis should be avoided.
 
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Nothing to learn from filthy and corrupt India. India is good for China only to ignore.

We do not simply care what they have been doing down there. We are not to be dictated by a country with miserable humanitarian conditions.

So I advice this member to stop the anti-China rant. This cheap Indian troll even started a racist thread where he shared anonymous social media posts from some delusional individuals.

And I kindly urge the members to completely ignore this troll along with his/her disgusting posts.
 
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China is a lot cleaner in politics than India. Do we need "look for" a lesson to learn from dirtier Indian politics? It sounds weird...

Thats what I'm saying, it takes a great person to learn from every man, both above and below him.

I accept that India is overall below China.
 
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