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http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0714/c90883-9086097.html

It will depend on 'level of threat' from others, senior diplomat says


China could set up an air defense identification zone over the South China Sea if it felt threatened, a senior diplomat said on Wednesday amid rising maritime tensions caused by the Philippines' arbitration case.

The declaration of such a zone, which would require aircraft entering the zone to identify themselves to the military, will depend on "the level of threat we receive", said Vice-Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin.

"If our security is being threatened, of course we have the right to demarcate a zone. This would depend on our overall assessment," Liu said, adding that other countries should not "take this opportunity to threaten China" and not "let it become the origin of a war".

"China's aim is to turn the South China Sea into a sea of peace, friendship and cooperation," he added.

Liu made the remarks at a news conference during which a white paper was released by the State Council Information Office. The five-chapter white paper elaborated on China's policy of adhering to "the position of settling through negotiation the disputes between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea".

The core of the disputes between China and the Philippines lies in territorial issues caused by the Philippines' invasion and illegal occupation of some islands and reefs of the Nansha Islands, the white paper says.

Liu accused the five judges of the temporary Arbitral Tribunal at The Hague, which announced its ruling in the case on Tuesday, of "making money from the Philippines", adding that "maybe other people gave them money, too".

The tribunal, which ruled that China has no "historic title" over the South China Sea, has no jurisdiction over sovereignty issues, Liu said.

A Japanese former president of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, Shunji Yanai, "manipulated the entire proceedings" from behind the scenes, Liu added.

The diplomat also questioned whether the five judges, four from EU countries and the Ghanaian chairman, a longtime resident of Europe, could understand the complex geographic politics of Asia.

"I hope you put this (arbitral) decision in the wastepaper basket, or on the bookshelf, or filing cabinet and keep it there," Liu told reporters.

China hopes that the Philippines' new government, led by President Rodrigo Duterte, will not use the arbitration results, Liu said. He added that China is willing to negotiate with its South China Sea neighbors on jointly exploiting oil and gas resources in the waters.

Guo Weimin, vice-minister of the State Council Information Office, China's top international publicity authority, said during the news conference that Chinese deem the South China Sea as their "ancestors' sea", where arbitration "could not make a wave".

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Wang Chong, deputy secretary-general of the think tank Charhar Institute, said negotiation is the most feasible and effective way to deal with maritime disputes now.

The talks must be held directly between China and the Philippines, without meddling from other countries, including the United States, he added.

Apart from making political and diplomatic efforts, China should also keep high military alert in the South China Sea in case of emergencies, said Wang Yusheng, executive director of the Strategy Research Center at the China International Studies Research Fund, a government think tank.

Meanwhile, the Japanese Coast Guard and Philippine Coast Guard started a joint military exercise on Wednesday in the waters off Manila Bay of the Philippines. They said the exercise aims to enhance the capabilities of both countries' coast guards.
 
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ADIZ over sCS should not be an option but a must.

Anyone can set up an ADIZ and the presence of such a zone does not mean that the country have
any rights whatsoever over the zone.
Military aircraft are not required to do anything special.
Civilian aircraft are requested to announce their presence, but are not obliged to do so.
The only thing an ADIZ brings is that Civilian aircraft that does announce their presence
may be left uninvestigated.
If an aircraft ignores the ADIZ, and a fighter is sent out to investigate, the fighter does not have any rights
to affect the other flight.

So big deal.... :victory::victory::victory:.
 
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It is a must, but the timing is flexible.

There is no rush. Nobody can beat us in terms of island-building in the SCS.

I agree.

So long as physical infrastructure is set, decision on ADIZ is a matter of geopolitical calculation. I believe it is better to hold it for now and concentrate on further development.

The opening of two new flight routes to Nansha was a good move. As @Beidou2020 shared today, the floating nuclear station being built has been another promising strategic move in terms of island development.
 
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I agree.

So long as physical infrastructure is set, decision on ADIZ is a matter of geopolitical calculation. I believe it is better to hold it for now and concentrate on further development.

The opening of two new flight routes to Nansha was a good move. As @Beidou2020 shared today, the floating nuclear station being built has been another promising strategic move in terms of island development.

China spends far too little on military considering the disputes China is involved in.

$10+ trillion economy that spends only $150 billion on military is disgraceful.

5% of GDP should be spent on the military.

Hopefully the problems in SCS, ECS, THAAD deployment will make the Chinese leadership realise they need to stop being an appeasing country and start to show some backbone.

The world takes China's timidness as a sign of weakness. China thinks being timid will stop problems, but it has the opposite effect where others challenge your weakness.

China's 'no-first-use' nuclear policy and the 'minimal nuclear deterrence' policy are outdated policies that don't fit with China's current geostrategic situation.

China need to start setting up foreign military bases in strategic locations to become a blue water navy.

A limited or full military alliance with Russia should also be discussed with them.

China also needs to accelerate economic and financial reform where high-tech private companies can come up with disruptive technologies that can give China an edge. Defense industry should be fully open to private firms in China where they can innovate things SOE's can't do. It has to be a combined effort of private and SOE's.

The self-imposed shackles of China in economy and military must be lifted by the Chinese leadership.
 
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:coffee: In fact it is a pretty great strategy by China.

China has just served NOTICE to all her southern neighbors that she reserved the right to set up an ADIZ and if they allowed USA to continue to breach and violated what is deemed as territorial space, China will have no choice but to set up one. Don't blame China for this decision! It is NOT her option in the first place. China has been very sensitive in NOT setting one up till today.

So now the ball is in the court of USA and Philippines, what will happen next will depend on them. Pick your choice!
 
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:coffee: In fact it is a pretty great strategy by China.

China has just served NOTICE to all her southern neighbors that she reserved the right to set up an ADIZ and if they allowed USA to continue to breach and violated what is deemed as territorial space, China will have no choice but to set up one. Don't blame China for this decision! It is NOT her option in the first place. China has been very sensitive in NOT setting one up till today.

So now the ball is in the court of USA and Philippines, what will happen next will depend on them. Pick your choice!
From the way you talk, it looks like you have no clue as to what is an ADIZ. At best, you can find out what the initials stands for, but not the ideas behind it.

In theory, China can make the entire world her ADIZ. But the problem is getting people to respect it.
 
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Civilian aircraft are requested to announce their presence, but are not obliged to do so.
The only thing an ADIZ brings is that Civilian aircraft that does announce their presence
may be left uninvestigated.
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:-) One must be pretty DUMB to concur with your comment and fly in an airline that does not complied with the ADIZ of a major power unless they have a DEATH WISH or ignorant.

As for me I will check with my airline before they do the compliance whichever nation it may be just in case of an incidence that have not to do with me.

:no: Remember the ill fated MH17 that was shot down over Ukraine after flying over a war zone, etc.

What has it got to do the blissful passengers?

From the way you talk, it looks like you have no clue as to what is an ADIZ. At best, you can find out what the initials stands for, but not the ideas behind it.

In theory, China can make the entire world her ADIZ. But the problem is getting people to respect it.

:laugh: Ignorant Americans thinks that USA has made the entire world her ADIZ and so she is justify in patroling every corner of it, right. That is the imperialistic thinking of the past cold war but sadly, USA era as a sole superpower is over.

:nono: The reckless USA Military may not bother themselves or ever need to respect ordinary lives and treat them as collateral damage but civilian airliners are different and have NO business ignoring it as they may be sue by the family of the passengers like what MAS is facing today.
 
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:laugh: Ignorant Americans thinks that USA has made the entire world her ADIZ and so she is justify in patroling every corner of it, right. That is the imperialistic thinking of the past cold war but sadly, USA era as a sole superpower is over.

:nono: The reckless USA Military may not bother themselves or ever need to respect ordinary lives and treat them as collateral damage but civilian airliners are different and have NO business ignoring it as they may be sue by the family of the passengers like what MAS is facing today.
Now we can be confident that you really do not know what is an ADIZ, other than it is a group of English alphabets.
 
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:-) One must be pretty DUMB to concur with your comment and fly in an airline that does not complied with the ADIZ of a major power unless they have a DEATH WISH or ignorant.

As for me I will check with my airline before they do the compliance whichever nation it may be just in case of an incidence that have not to do with me.

:no: Remember the ill fated MH17 that was shot down over Ukraine after flying over a war zone, etc.

What has it got to do the blissful passengers?
A country declaring an ADIZ have no more right to interfere with Civilian Aircraft than any other country.
It is still International Air Space.
If a Civilian Aircraft does not answer, then that might be an indication that it is a security risk,
and fighters can be sent out in advance to ensure quick reaction time if/when
The Aircraft enters the territory of the country declaring the ADIZ.

The country can of course shoot down the Civilian Aircraft, not responding while still in the ADIZ, but then it is a crime.

I hereby declare the whole of the Singaporean territory an ADIZ
(It may or may not be enforced)
Anyone Civilian Aircraft entering that airspace, must explain themselves in this thread on PDF.
There, will You take the chance of flying over Singapore?
 
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