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[jhungary]

We are talking about network infrastructure and the large-scale commercial roll of same。

Samsung is not even an infrastructure player，Its speciality will be in handsets making use of 5G network。

As a matter of fact，Huawei had completed an in-house demonstration at 5Gbps throughput：

Light Reading - Huawei Sets Out Its 5G Stall

Do you know what's "throughput" mean in your article?

"Tong said Huawei was advanced in prototyping a device and had completed a demo at 50Gbit/s throughput"

according to this

Throughput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In communication networks, such as Ethernet or packet radio, throughput or network throughput is the average rate of successful message delivery over a communication channel. This data may be delivered over a physical or logical link, or pass through a certain network node.

That mean the article you refer to only point out that Huawei are testing the theoretical "LIMITS" of 5G network. By no mean they are putting them in a WCDMA network and try them (Which Samsung did already) otherwise you will have the same figure gave out like Samsung do (a term of Speed over a distance)

Samsung have an Exact prototype of 5G device and they are testing it at the moment, not over a Throughput....

and what you say Samsung is not an Infrastructure player is really laughable.....Have you heard this kind of news before??

Black & Veatch : Sprint Network Vision | Infrastructure Upgrade
Samsung Network Infrastructure to Complement Sprint Network Vision with LTE Small Cell Deployment Program Award | Business Wire
About Samsung - Samsung

Just you never heard of Samsung do infrastructure does not mean they are not a Infrastructure player...

Don't want to say much more but just please compare your reference article to this artice from the same site and you will know what the heck am I talking about

http://www.lightreading.com/blog/re...nstitutes/samsung-inching-toward-5g/240154774

 

[cirr]

Do you know what's "throughput" mean in your article?


according to this

Throughput - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



That mean the article you refer to only point out that Huawei are testing the theoretical "LIMITS" of 5G network. By no mean they are putting them in a WCDMA network and try them (Which Samsung did already) otherwise you will have the same figure gave out like Samsung do (a term of Speed over a distance)

Samsung have an Exact prototype of 5G device and they are testing it at the moment, not over a Throughput....

and what you say Samsung is not an Infrastructure player is really laughable.....Have you heard this kind of news before??

Black & Veatch : Sprint Network Vision | Infrastructure Upgrade
Samsung Network Infrastructure to Complement Sprint Network Vision with LTE Small Cell Deployment Program Award | Business Wire
About Samsung - Samsung

Just you never heard of Samsung do infrastructure does not mean they are not a Infrastructure player...

Don't want to say much more but just please compare your reference article to this artice from the same site and you will know what the heck am I talking about

Light Reading - Samsung: Inching Toward 5G?

I will just ask you one question：

Waht's Samsung‘s infrastructure revenue in Q1 2013？

Just by Samsung，not some silly joint venture in America where Huawei is what you know。

 

[jhungary]

I will just ask you one question：

Waht's Samsung‘s infrastructure revenue in Q1 2013？

Just by Samsung，not some silly joint venture in America where Huawei is what you know。

Samsung Engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, just because you never heard of it, does not mean they don't exist.

Samsung Engineering have a Revenue 8.4 billion USD in 2011, if you want Q1 2013, you probably need to check the corporate info for it. they list their field of business are Hydrocarbon and Industrial and Infrastructure.

Samsung also have a construction branch, which builds domestic infrastructure (shopping mall, apartment building and so on) They are responsible for domestic Infrastructure.

I am not saying Samsung have anything "Compare" to Huawei in term of Telecommunication Infrastructure, but they DO infrastructure, this is what I was saying

But when you compare Samsung and Huawei, there are nothing to compare as one is a pure Telco (Huawei) while Samsung are a multi-polar company, while Samsung Group last year revenue reaches 241 Billions USD, Huawei is only reaching 35 Billions USD revenue.

 

[cirr]

No freaking Indian maker in the top-10 list？

How is that even possbile? India no longer shining?

Chinese smartphones strengthen foothold in Q2 top 10

Summary: Shipments of China-branded smartphones Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo and Coolpad, increased 44 percent compared to last year, with most sales coming from emerging markets.

By Ellyne Phneah | July 23, 2013

Chinese-branded smartphones, led by Huawei, have made headway in the global smartphone shipments due to their strong brand image and channel support, despite Samsung and Apple's dominance.

According to TrendForce data released Tuesday, smartphone shipments for Q2 2013 hit 221 million units, an increase of 6.6 percent from the previous quarter, and a 31.4 percent increase from the same period a year ago.

It was also found the shipment of Chinese-branded smartphones--Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo and Coolpad--had increased 44 percent compared to the same quarter last year 2012, and also made it to the top ten in terms of global smartphone shipments.

Among Chinese vendors, Huawei had retaken the market lead from Lenovo, shipping a total of 14 million smartphone units, with 30 percent of those devices directed at emerging markets including India, Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe.

Both Lenovo and Coolpad were also able to ship more than 10 million smartphone units, more than what some global manufacturers were able to accomplish, due to their strong brand image and local channel support.

Global smartphone shipments in Q1 2013 and Q2 2013 (Source: TrendForce)

"Having made it to the global top ten, the potential of China's top four smartphone brands—Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, Coolpad--should not be taken lightly," Trendforce observed.



Samsung maintains leadership due to mid-tier smartphone success

Samsung's phone shipments continued to dominate and hit about 71 million units in the second quarter this year, a record high for the company. This is largely due to its shipment and sales performance in the mid-end sector.

Samsung's channel and brand marketing campaign efforts have so far paid off especially well in rapidly emerging markets such as China, where the South Korean electronics giant is a widely recognized global smartphone brand, TrendForce noted.

Its latest Galaxy S4 however, ended up falling short of expectations, but the research firm said South Korean giant had shipped 23 million Galaxy S4 handsets.

"Even if Samsung is unable to meet expectations with its newest flagship device, the growing sales of its mid-entry level handsets could still help it maintain a dominant position within the global smartphone stage," TrendForce said.

In comparison, Apple managed to ship only 22 million iPhone 5 units this quarter. Even though its entire iPhone line, ended at 27 million units, it was a 30 percent decrease quarter-on-quarter, while the company's worldwide market share fell to 12.1 percent.

If the release of new Apple smartphones are delayed in the next quarter, Apple's second quarter sales performances are in danger of worsening, TrendForce said.

Chinese smartphones strengthen foothold in Q2 top 10 | ZDNet

 

[cirr]

Samsung Engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, just because you never heard of it, does not mean they don't exist.

Samsung Engineering have a Revenue 8.4 billion USD in 2011, if you want Q1 2013, you probably need to check the corporate info for it. they list their field of business are Hydrocarbon and Industrial and Infrastructure.

I am not saying Samsung have anything "Compare" to Huawei, but they DO infrastructure, this is what I was saying

What has Sansumg Engineering got to do with network infrastructure sales?

Was it not Samsung Engineering & Construction before? I bought a Samsung apartment in Seoul built by Samsung E & C Co. back in 1999. Has it gone bankrupt and since become Samsung Engineering Co.？

Give me the sales figure for Q1 2013.

 

[jhungary]

What has Sansumg Engineering got to do with network infrastructure sales?

Was it not Samsung Engineering & Construction before? I bought a Samsung apartment in Seoul built by Samsung E & C Co. back in 1999. Has it gone bankrupt and since become Samsung Engineering Co.？

Give me the sales figure for Q1 2013.

Dude, 1999? Samsung Construction and Engineering have been renamed Samsung C&T group in 2007

Samsung C&T Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get with time will ya??

And as for What have Samsung Engineering have to do with Network Infrastructure...First of all, you need to define what count as Network Infrastructure, basically a pile of copper wire underground that carry the packet to a router they were all network infrastructure, Samsung Engineer lay underground copper wire for Telco service in Abu Dubai and Saudi Arabia, and Samsung Communication design router for network gateway and finally Samsung make those Galaxy Phone to use the service and hence completing the infrastructure. Need I say more??

And strangely enough Samsung Engineering does not release Q1 2013 figure yet, their 2012 revenue is standing at 8.9 billions USD.

 

[474474]

Well, I am just pointing out the Article does not have the UPDATED information, Samsung MADE 5G May this year and the Tested Speed for 5G is 1.056 Gbps over 2KM, rebuttal welcome


Well, as they say they are still testing the 5G capability, the range could be extended and/or speed may be dialled back for a longer lambda frequency, who knows.

But one thing for sure, 100MBps is 4G speed, not 5G speed.

In theory, 4G speed can reach 672 Mbps on paper, the fastest actual 4G network is LTE-Advance standard, claim was 1Gbps peak download and 500Mbps peak upload but actually they can do 300 Mbps downstream and 50Mbps upstream

LTE Advanced - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2 km will be more than the usual LAN/WAN usage, a standard land size (front) in Australia is 10 meter per house, 2 Km would have cover 200 household (without road) and the Australian standard is already the largest. There are no point connecting LAN/WAN with 2 Km range.

Also, cell tower often have less than 2Km range in metro city anyway so it is for mobile internet (Standard Metro Tower range in Sydney is 1.5 km), not LAN or WAN or even Wifi

For example, the current 802.11n Wifi frequency have an indoor range of 70 meter.

IEEE 802.11n-2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean a WAN for a big company premise, they usually use Ethernet cables so Wifi is not a comparison, it could save money in cabling and be more efficient

 

[jhungary]

I mean a WAN for a big company premise, they usually use Ethernet cables so Wifi is not a comparison, it could save money in cabling and be more efficient

You do know WAN is already Gigabit right? so it is unreasonable for Samsung to:

1.) Announce that they have create a Gigabit LAN/WAN configuration, which have been done LONG AGO....
2.) Unless the big company you supposed using the Wifi network is more than 2 Kilometre in dimension, said product could not be marketable. Think about this, how many company you know have the office for more than 2 Square Kilometer? That require said Gigabit LTE Network? How profitable your product is going to be if you can only target those company?? It will be a marketing nightmare. Because your product can only sell to handful of company, almost like exclusive.......

Hence I said it is not reasonable for Samsung to apply said product into Wifi or WAN/LAN but mobile boardband.

 

[474474]

You do know WAN is already Gigabit right? so it is unreasonable for Samsung to:

1.) Announce that they have create a Gigabit LAN/WAN configuration, which have been done LONG AGO....
2.) Unless the big company you supposed using the Wifi network is more than 2 Kilometre in dimension, said product could not be marketable. Think about this, how many company you know have the office for more than 2 Square Kilometer? That require said Gigabit LTE Network? How profitable your product is going to be if you can only target those company?? It will be a marketing nightmare. Because your product can only sell to handful of company, almost like exclusive.......

Hence I said it is not reasonable for Samsung to apply said product into Wifi or WAN/LAN but mobile boardband.

Yes, but we have a huge complicated class about wired ethernet, it's really complcated so this could simplify things

 

[jhungary]

Yes, but we have a huge complicated class about wired ethernet, it's really complcated so this could simplify things

So you are saying Samsung is making a 2KM gigabit wireless Mobile internet for big company that have a 2 Sq Km office only, but those are not 5G. Well......good one

 

[474474]

So you are saying Samsung is making a 2KM gigabit wireless Mobile internet for big company that have a 2 Sq Km office only, but those are not 5G. Well......good one

I'm not saying anythign about their intentions, I'm suggesting where it could help

 

[jhungary]

I'm not saying anythign about their intentions, I'm suggesting where it could help

You do know Samsung is doing it on a Cell tower, so you are suggesting big company erect their own cell tower inside their properties is cheaper than laying ultra fast cable?

because if you are suggesting that those company used existing Cell tower network for that device, that will make that device 5G....You do understand this right??

 

[474474]

You do know Samsung is doing it on a Cell tower, so you are suggesting big company erect their own cell tower inside their properties is cheaper than laying ultra fast cable?

because if you are suggesting that those company used existing Cell tower network for that device, that will make that device 5G....You do understand this right??

Now I do, I just didn't know you'd need a cell tower.

 

[jhungary]

Now I do, I just didn't know you'd need a cell tower.

From the beginning to the end it is suggest that Samsung is testing with Microwave device (with Cell tower) how else do you suppose they did the transfer up to 2 KM?

Hence you need a microwave tower...........

It's not land line, nor Wifi, they are talking about Mobile Boardband

 

[Armstrong]

So @jhungary , you're a bouncer, a barman, an entrepreneur, a cavalry soldier, a womanizer, a citizen of the world with more nationalities than the hair on McCain's scalp & now you're a Telecom Engineer or a Specialist as well !

I'm thinking of using my connections & having you sent to Pakistan so that you can work as my Right-Hand Man as I take over 'My Country & build it in my Image' !

And yes the perks that come with that include - A Personal Harem full of the most exotic belly dancers that the world has ever produced !

But No Alcohol or Pork & if you're caught with either - You might go through a painful process for you but delightful & entertaining for the rest of us that sees you becoming the eunuch guarding the same Harem you used to Party in before !