China says Rohingya issue should not be 'internationalised'

[Chinese-Dragon]

Agreed on all points. Which is why imo China should still act as the mediator, and press on to resolve this matter on the basis of what actually happens to the Rohingya (the exact thing that all other sides politicking about it are ignoring). If you have the power to do the right thing, you do it. China should not - in my humble opinion - be known in the World as yet another power politicking and serving their interests to the detriment of what we all call the objective good (yes, it exists, and any person using his/her logic can find it).

And if China succeeds in this, the self-serving congratulations of uninvited extras will ring hollow. Both to the ears of the Rohingya and to that of the thinking world. And I'm saying this with a straight face, while knowing that I myself am pretty cynical as far as geopolitics are concerned.

Just my take on this. Cheers..C:

I don't think it is possible anymore, in the current climate of global condemnation, I don't see any way for Myanmar to back down without looking like they surrendered to US and Bangladeshi pressure.

Any Myanmar government that looks like it has surrendered to US or Bangladeshi pressure will be signing their own death warrant.

 

[UKBengali]

Good luck to Bangladesh and Donald Trump then.

Maybe if you are successful then everyone will forget the fact that the entire world was laughing at the USA in the UN a few days ago. Except Bangladesh I guess?

By the way, China fought directly against the USA during the 1950 Korean War, pushing them into the longest retreat in US military history. And then we fought directly against the USSR during the Sino-Soviet Split in the 1960's.

We are more than capable of fending off any invasion, I don't think Bangladesh or Myanmar can claim the same.

China and Russia are the only 2 countries in the world that can fend off an invasion by the US.

My point was that USN can bomb Myanmar to stone age and China cannot do anything about it.

I have to disagree, China successfully solved the Kokang issue in Myanmar without internationalising it. Now Myanmar recognizes the Kokang as legitimate Burmese citizens.

China is trying to do the same thing again, but there are other players in the world trying to stop it (USA + Bangladesh), by turning it into an international issue, and putting the Myanmar government in a position where they cannot back down without losing face. Which is a very stupid thing to do.

Needless to say, this approach has failed and the Rohingya are paying the ultimate price for it.

Have we not been over this before?
Only 10% of Kokang were sent to China and Myanmar never denied they were citizens.

More than 80% of Rohingya have been displaced from Myanmar and the regime refuses their citizenship rights.

Sorry but China is totally wrong to support Myanmar on this.

 

[313ghazi]

I disagree. Just because the Burmese are the dog of China, doesn't mean it shouldn't be put down when it becomes rabid. Whether someone has the ability and will to do that is a different question all together.

The people asking for justice for the Rohingya don't care for them, they want to weaken China. China doesn't care for those people either, it wants to support a proxy.

Fact is Muslims will always be looking to different step fathers to give them justice until they realise they have a common interest and a common cause.

 

[UKBengali]

I disagree. Just because the Burmese are the dog of China, doesn't mean it shouldn't be put down when it becomes rabid. Whether someone has the ability and will to do that is a different question all together.

Fact is Muslims will always be looking to different step fathers to give them justice until they realise they have a common interest and a common cause.

Let this be a lesson to all Muslims that Chinese are just as bad as the West when it comes to Muslims.

10s of thousands of Rohingya out of 1 million were killed in 2-3 months last year, and the Chinese totally support this!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

My point was that USN can bomb Myanmar to stone age and China cannot do anything about it.

Sure, so how come they aren't doing it? I mean, America is famous for loving Muslim refugees right?

China would welcome the USA getting stuck in another quagmire, and China has very pointedly refused to sign a mutual defence treaty with Myanmar. Which basically means it is open season for anyone who wants to fight Myanmar.

So, what's the hold up? Rohingya are dying as we speak, don't tell me it's all talk and no action?

 

[313ghazi]

I don't think it is possible anymore, in the current climate of global condemnation, I don't see any way for Myanmar to back down without looking like they surrendered to US and Bangladeshi pressure.

Any Myanmar government that looks like it has surrendered to US or Bangladeshi pressure will be signing their own death warrant.

Agree 100% with this. This is the root problem. Nobody involved actually cares about the Rohingya, only about political point scoring. They want to weaken a Chinese ally, China will look to defend its ally.

Let this be a lesson to all Muslims that Chinese are just as bad as the West when it comes to Muslims.

10s of thousands of Rohingya out of 1 million were killed in 2-3 months last year, and the Chinese totally support this!

I disagree with that too. The Chinese couldn't care less about what happened in Burma, only that their ally is not weakened. The West don't care either, they just want an opportunity to weaken a Chinese ally. The Americans and their allies are deliberately targeting Islam and Muslims as part of the Christian efforts against Islam. This has been the case since forever. At the same time, we've never had the same problem with the Chinese. Muslims and China have been allies and they have also fought wars, but it's been about politics and territory, not ideology.

 

[UKBengali]

Sure, so how come they aren't doing it? I mean, America is famous for loving Muslim refugees right?

China would welcome the USA getting stuck in another quagmire, and China has very pointedly refused to sign a mutual defence treaty with Myanmar. Which basically means it is open season for anyone who wants to fight Myanmar.

So, what's the hold up? Rohingya are dying as we speak, don't tell me it's all talk and no action?

Err Rohingya are not dying anymore.

Few remaining in Myanmar are in concentration camps courtesy of your Barman buddies.

Well US generally does not care about Muslims
we can all agree. At the least they helped out Muslims in former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

But just because US is bad does not give China the excuse to do the same thing as well.

Anyway why do you keep making the same analogy between Kokang and Rohingya to try to justify China's disgraceful behaviour.?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Err Rohingya are not dying anymore.

Few remaining in Myanmar are in concentration camps courtesy of your Barman buddies.

Well US generally does not care about Muslims
we can all agree. At the least they helped out Muslims in former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

But just because US is bad does not give China the excuse to do the same thing as well.

Anyway why do you keep making the same analogy between Kokang and Rohingya to try to justify China's disgraceful behaviour.?

You can do whatever you want to Myanmar, like I said China has refused to sign a mutual defence treaty with Myanmar, which means it is open season for anyone who wants to fight them.

But nobody wants to fight them, because nobody actually cares about the Rohingya. Except your new best friend Donald Trump who is just famous for loving Muslims, refugees, and non-whites (and especially Muslim refugees).

China's strategy of using bilateral influence to get Myanmar to compromise was dead the moment that the USA + Bangladesh turned it into an international issue. You have put Myanmar into a corner where they cannot back down, basically dooming the Rohingya.

Oh, and Bangladesh has also wrecked their relations with China too. Good luck in your future with the USA+India, i.e. Donald Trump and Modi. Who are both known for loving Muslims. Let's see how Donald Trump reacts if Modi turns off the water to Bangladesh, do you think he will support the Muslims or the Hindus on that one? (Don't worry, China will mediate.)

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

This is china internal matter, and I don't think any goverment can allow to challange writ of state and violent struggle.

 

[UKBengali]

You can do whatever you want to Myanmar, like I said China has refused to sign a mutual defence treaty with Myanmar, which means it is open season for anyone who wants to fight them.

But nobody wants to fight them, because nobody actually cares about the Rohingya. Except your new best friend Donald Trump who is just famous for loving Muslims, refugees, and non-whites (and especially Muslim refugees).

China's strategy of using bilateral influence to get Myanmar to compromise was dead the moment that the USA + Bangladesh turned it into an international issue. You have put Myanmar into a corner where they cannot back down, basically dooming the Rohingya.

Oh, and Bangladesh has also wrecked their relations with China too. Good luck in your future with the USA+India, i.e. Donald Trump and Modi. Who are both known for loving Muslims.

Yes, BD has "wrecked" relations with China?

That is why billions of dollars of low interest loans keep coming into BD all the time from China. Chinese industrialists are finally making billion dollar investments.

BD also has access to all weapons in the Chinese arsenal bar nuclear weapons,ICBMs, nuclear subs and some other top secret stuff like J-20 etc. But now very few weapons will be sourced from China. Next gen frigate looks like it will go to EU and BD has chosen the Turkish/Indonesian light tank.

China's leaders are not so dumb to ignore a country of 165 million people growing at 8% a year. China is not doing BD a favour after all. Both will retain relations for mutual benefits.

Despite China's very unfriendly act to BD, it still wishes China no harm. It just is not pro- China anymore.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I utterly agree. Rohingya's are actually the trouble causers. They with support of their traiterous Banglas are causing problems for Myanmar. Pakistan should stand by China like 'ironclad' brother and support Beijing to sort out these terrorist Rohingyas.

And thank you China.

Or in simple words just say "yes master" to anything China says.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Or in simple words just say "yes master" to anything China says.

There is a flip side to this. Why not say "yes masta" to every two bit ummah issue on earth and wreck Pakistan by colliding it on every rock on earth -

Rohingya - annoy China
Uighurs - annoy China
Chechens - annoy Russia
Moros Ache - annoy Philipines
Palestine - USA/Europe
etc
etc

I could go on but you get the point. By the time you have done your "yeh masta" you will have alienated every m'fer country on earth that can help Pakistan out of it's malaise. Pakistan is not a superpower. It is a economically bankrupt, politicaly fragile country that is torn at home by fissiperous tendancies and terrorism. The last thing it needs is to poke the eye of every great power.

Charity begins at home. So wake up. And smell the coffee. Get real. 200 million Pakistan's have to live there. They can't all migrate like you and me to USA and UK for the good life. Big ideals are preserve of men with full stomachs. Got it?

 

[313ghazi]

There is a flip side to this. Why not say "yes masta" to every two bit ummah issue on earth and wreck Pakistan by colliding it on every rock on earth -

Rohingya - annoy China
Uighurs - annoy China
Chechens - annoy Russia
Moros Ache - annoy Philipines
Palestine - USA/Europe
etc
etc

I could go on but you get the point. By the time you have done your "yeh masta" you will have alienated every m'fer country on earth that can help Pakistan out of it's malaise. Pakistan is not a superpower. It is a economically bankrupt, politicaly fragile country that is torn at home by fissiperous tendancies and terrorism. The last thing it needs is to poke the eye of every great power.

Charity begins at home. So wake up. And smell the coffee. Get real. 200 million Pakistan's have to live there. They can't all migrate like you and me to USA and UK for the good life. Big ideals are preserve of men with full stomachs. Got it?

Yes and no. In a world full of nations, our national leaders are responsible only for our nation and must always put the interests of our nation first. At the same time, nobody ever got anywhere behaving like a house nigga.

We have to live and act in this world within the restrictions of reality, you're 100% right. At the same time, there is a power in this world you didn't mention - that power is Allah. You do right by him and he'll do right by you. He is the only master we should have.

Nobody who works with Pakistan does so because of love for Pakistan, they do so for interest. That interest will be there regardless of Pakistan behaving like a lackey, or like an independent nation. We mustn't burn our bridges, because ultimately it's with these bridges that we will become strong enough to stand on our own two feet, but at the same time, if we don't have self respect, we won't have anyone else's respect.

 

[haidian]

Let this be a lesson to all Muslims that Chinese are just as bad as the West when it comes to Muslims.

10s of thousands of Rohingya out of 1 million were killed in 2-3 months last year, and the Chinese totally support this!

I don't think the Muslim world will answer to a Bangledashi's call that all non Muslim countries are equally bad, China ejoys good relations with every single Muslim countries which most Muslim countries don't among themselves, it's pathetic that Bangledishis working so hard to make their problems look like a problem for the whole Muslim world. Some hotheaded extremists on this forum may buy it but Muslim governments around the world won't, politics are politics, each country's own national interests always come first, be them Muslim countries or not, that's why you see Muslim countries fight Muslim countries more often than they fight others, so your calling the Muslim world being united around tiny Rohingya against China must be daydreaming.

 

[TaiShang]

China has the power to persuade both parties on a peaceful and timely resolution on this matter. The fact that Myanmar is actually a strategic partner means that China has even more powers than diplomatic persuasion towards them to solve this. It has the power to pressure the situation.

China has already offered a step-by-step peaceful solution plan to the parties -- and the parties have adopted it.

The plan aims at finding a comprehensive solution to the problem once and for all WITHOUT militarizing or internationalizing it in any manner.

So, China's plan includes, first, the end of all hostilities by both government and the insurgents. China, of course, recognizes, the legitimate right of the state to bear arms and deploy troops/security units wherever they feel necessary.

Second, the plan calls for economic development initiatives in the region. China sees the problem as inherently economic-oriented. Poverty and underdevelopment is seen as the root cause of all the problems.

Finally, China's plan suggests a regional solution in which the sides (mainly Myanmar and Bangladesh) agree on the status of the refugees.

So, yes, China leads in the political and economic realms. But, essentially, China is opposed to the following two:

1. Militarization
2. Internationalization

These will never happen under China's watch. China will stop any UNSC move on this. China does not believe for even a second that the Western countries are sincere about this issue.

If they were they would first do something about Yemen. Yet, the US has been assisting in the daily killings of the Yemenis by the Saudis.