China says no to Moscow, Beijing, Delhi trilateral defence ties

[shjliu]

We humans can finally move forward in the Human evolution of progress if we can reach peace with China once and for all.

ain't we at peace with China now?

 

[Stuttgart001]

Well you are the one who said the following in post #16 while Your response above clearly demonstrates that China is bidding its time to takeover Mongolia and Far East Russia.

Do not act like a time traveller from WWII.
Even USA could not strike Russia directly because that is a mutual assured destruction. There are nothing of Russia which is so attractive that seduces China into a mutual destruction war.

As for Mongolia, do some research , the statigic value of Mongolia is its location near the Serbrian railway which an artery linked to far east.
The railway is vital for transporting army and supply to frontline in a war of industrial age when the max range of firepower is only tens of miles ,nevertheless in 21st when the ICBM and SLBM could fight over oceans and continents and there is actually no frontline , it is obvious of little importance millitary.
In regard to economy, Mongolia is a poor country and its people is fit to be sheep keeper not hard worker. China prefer to do business with them rather than to feed them.

When it comes to far east Russia the most part of which is covered by forest and frozen earth except the coastal part，the relationship between far east Russia and northeast China is similar like Canada and USA.

Stop these old school delusion full of deceiving and betrayal about great powers strugglling each other.
It's been 70 years since WWII's over and the cold war was 30 years ago.
Now,USA is aimming at the Mars and China is on its heels.
In 50 years, perhaps human will have immigrate to other planet.
People should lift up his head and watch the wide unniverse not the small patch of land under his feet.

 

[xyxmt]

Absolutely.

It is very clear that the center of gravity is moving towards China and world is preparing to live under the sole leadership of China.

I have seen many intelligent Caucasians who have started to encourage their kids to learn Chinese.

This is where I admire the sagacity of Pakistan.

Pakistan has the knack of sensing the transfer of power. Prior to Independence they sided with the British instead of fighting against the British rule and then they sided with US after the Independence.

As soon as they sensed that the center of gravity is moving from US to China they have dumped the US and started to align with China.

Hats off to the Pakistan's foreign policy planners.

the best part, they sensed it in the 50s

 

[StraightShooter]

Do not act like a time traveller from WWII.
Even USA could not strike Russia directly because that is a mutual assured destruction. There are nothing of Russia which is so attractive that seduces China into a mutual destruction war.

As for Mongolia, do some research , the statigic value of Mongolia is its location near the Serbrian railway which an artery linked to far east.
The railway is vital for transporting army and supply to frontline in a war of industrial age when the max range of firepower is only tens of miles ,nevertheless in 21st when the ICBM and SLBM could fight over oceans and continents and there is actually no frontline , it is obvious of little importance millitary.
In regard to economy, Mongolia is a poor country and its people is fit to be sheep keeper not hard worker. China prefer to do business with them rather than to feed them.

When it comes to far east Russia the most part of which is covered by forest and frozen earth except the coastal part，the relationship between far east Russia and northeast China is similar like Canada and USA.

Stop these old school delusion full of deceiving and betrayal about great powers strugglling each other.
It's been 70 years since WWII's over and the cold war was 30 years ago.
Now,USA is aimming at the Mars and China is on its heels.
In 50 years, perhaps human will have immigrate to other planet.
People should lift up his head and watch the wide unniverse not the small patch of land under his feet.

If Chinese ICBM's can take care of everything in 21st century, what is the value of Tibet or China's claim on India's Arunachal or Ladakh when compared to Mongolia or Far east Russia.

Do you think people will fall for this duplicity?

 

[idune]

If this is is true, Russians definitely taken wrong step not considering what india did and doing with its neighbors and teaming up with US. But india has constant conflict with China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, SriLanka - how could Russia not considered such conflict ridden indian position in the region. Have Russians done this on their own or with indian influence that is something important to know.
As far as China and Russia go, they have aligned their military and strategic goals over last few years. In terms of regional security, Russian, Chinese, Pakistani and Iranian goals have common grounds and more to achieve.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

If Chinese ICBM's can take care of everything in 21st century, what is the value of Tibet or China's claim on India's Arunachal or Ladakh when compared to Mongolia or Far east Russia.

Do you think people will fall for this duplicity?

Lol are you trying to say that China should back down claim on South Tibet and Ladakh since we dropped our claim on Mongolia and Russia far east , doesn't work this way.

 

[Stuttgart001]

If Chinese ICBM's can take care of everything in 21st century, what is the value of Tibet or China's claim on India's Arunachal or Ladakh when compared to Mongolia or Far east Russia.

Do you think people will fall for this duplicity?

Again, your statement reveals your shortage of historical knowledge.

Tibet and South Tibet belong to China, and China Qing Dynasty and Republic of China and People's Republic of China staked the claim.

There is not any a treaty inked be any Dynasty or government that stated China gave up South Tibet which was just cut off to British India by the British colonist in private.

As for Mongolia and far east Russia , Qing Dynasty and ROA did signed treaties that acknowledge Mongolian independence and far east land belonging to Imperial Russia, although they are unfair to China.

The treaty does matter in international affairs.
That is why imperial Russia pushed Imperial China to admit Russia's ownership of the land, after its pioneer colonists had invaded far east land for dozens of years.

Do some research and study .
Stop comparing two different things that makes look like a uneducated kid .

 

[patman]

Both Russia & India have territorial disputes with China, so obviously. China won't join.

 

[ashok321]

China says no to Moscow, Beijing, Delhi trilateral defence ties

Why?
Because the China has a territorial claim against India's Arunachal Pradesh.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Both Russia & India have territorial disputes with China, so obviously. China won't join.

Again,swallow historical knowledge.
China has resolved all the territorial dispute with Russia in 1990s.
So do not drag Russia in.

What history? What is so special about Qing dynasty? Since 1000 BCE how years was Tibet part of Chinese kingdoms? In 3000 years Tibet was part of Chinese Kingdoms for only 300 years i.e only 10% of the time.

If India starts applying such weird logic India can claim land from Syria to Central Asia to Vietnam based on Mittani, Maurya and Champa kingdoms.


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So what?
You mean all the countries could only claim the land their ancestors owned 1000 years ago?
Donn't be silly.
Tibet has been under China's rule for hundreds of years, which is the the real situation of land.
If you do not understand , buy a American history book and learn how US got its territory.

Be a civilised human.
In a civilised world, the border between two countries should be adimited by both.

China says no to Moscow, Beijing, Delhi trilateral defence ties

Why?
Because the China has a territorial claim against India's Arunachal Pradesh.

It is not the reason.
China won't join any millitary league right now.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

What history? What is so special about Qing dynasty? Since 1000 BCE how years was Tibet part of Chinese kingdoms? In 3000 years Tibet was part of Chinese Kingdoms for only 300 years i.e only 10% of the time.

If India starts applying such weird logic India can claim land from Syria to Central Asia to Vietnam based on Mittani, Maurya and Champa kingdoms.


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Lol I should remind you that India only exist in 1947...LMAO

 

[StraightShooter]

So what?
You mean all the countries could only claim the land their ancestors owned 1000 years ago?
Donn't be silly.
Tibet has been under China's rule for hundreds of years, which is the the real situation of land.
If you do not understand , buy a American history book and learn how US got its territory.

Be a civilised human.
In a civilised world, the border between two countries should be adimited by both.

It is China which keeps using flimsy historical references and usurping and/or claiming territories of the others.

Tibetans for most part of History have never been part of Chinese kingdoms and that is fact.

China is claiming Tibet based on what is advantageous to them.

PRC Chinese Red army talking about civility in this world? Oh what an irony. May Gold bless this world.

Again,swallow historical knowledge.
China has resolved all the territorial dispute with Russia in 1990s.
So do not drag Russia in.

If so why does PRC China maintain strategic silence on the Treaties of Aigun and Peking with Russia?

Why doesn't PRC China come out and overtly recognize and back these agreements?

The answer is simple. PRC China is looking for an opportune time to back stab Russia and claim these far east Russian regions.

I am pretty sure PRC would then use Yuan dynasty maps to claim Mongolia and far east Russia.

Lol I should remind you that India only exist in 1947...LMAO

And China existed only for a brief period between 1912–1949.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

The Chinese Civlisation abhors war or agression of any kind. Alliances are seen as limiting factor by the PRC because it hinders the freedom of diplomatic movement.

China awards great significance to flexibility and win-win paradigm.

Sadly, the Chinese flexbility and desire for a win-win approach is seen by the indians as sign of weakness. This is the resaon we see so much provocation and troublemaking by the indians of late.

South Tibet is integeral part of China. Always was and always shall be. Without South Tibet China will remain vulnerable to troublemakers designs and provocations.

By using the Dalai card india in South Tibet in the manner it did leaves no doubt of its future designs.

indians need to understand that China's benevolance is not out of weakness but from deep cultural and dialectic ethos to avoid conflict and seek a peaceful co-existence.

War is stupid. Only indians can rejoice in it.

 

[Stuttgart001]

It is China which keeps using flimsy historical references and usurping and/or claiming territories of the others.

Tibetans for most part of History have never been part of Chinese kingdoms and that is fact.

Totally stupid!

The human history is about 40000 years, so you mean every nation should not own their land, because all their land are not theirs in most of human history.

PRC Chinese Red army talking about civility in this world? Oh what an irony. May Gold bless this world.

Much much civiliser than Indian army which is extremlily good at raping.

If so why does PRC China maintain strategic silence on the Treaties of Aigun and Peking with Russia?
Why doesn't PRC China come out and overtly recognize and back these agreements?

The answer is simple. PRC China is looking for an opportune time to back stab Russia and claim these far east Russian regions.

I knew you will ask such stupid questions which reveals you an uneducated kid with little dipomatic common sensus.
This is the last time I would educate you about how the treatis and agreements between nations are inherited.

The treaty is inked by governments which are the representives and their nations.

When a nation changes its government, the new government has the obigation to discuss with other governments the current treaties or agreements ,the content of which relate to the duty and debt and division of territory. etc.
Then in the end , there will be one or a series new treaties inked by the new government to replace the old treaties.

In a word, there will be an update of the treaty when the nation of any contract party change its government.

A series of treaties including the Treaties of Aigun and Peking inked by Russian Empire and Qing Dynasty had be replaced by new treaties signed by Soviet Union and ROC.
Then PRC replacing ROC signed a new treaty to replace the old.
After Soviet collapsed, PRC signed a series new treaty with Russian Republic and other middle asian nations ,which is an replacement of treaties inked by Soviet.

So, it is no need for PRA to recognize these old treaties.
PRA and Russian Republic had come out of a few treaties which define the border between two counties in 1990s.

And China existed only for a brief period between 1912–1949.

Stupid！
Let along ancient China.
Even Qing Dynasty was recognized as the representive government of the sovereignty of China by international society in 19th centuries, and established formal diplomatic relations with all the civilised nations including British Empire, which was the owner of indian subcontinent.

You have no idea of the difference about nation, government,sovereignty.
Please stop talking something nonsense that is a humilliation to your nation.
Actually, I am sure there are lots of indian people not as ignorant as you.
If you really want to defence your national pride, do study hardly or ask your countrymen educated to argue with me; if not, do not quote me, i am too tired to talk with a silly.