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By Jian Junbo

SHANGHAI - At the Sino-European Union (EU) summit in Prague last week, Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao rejected the concept of a Group of Two (G-2) comprising China and the United States, saying "it is totally ungrounded and wrong to talk about the dominance of two countries in international affairs".

It was the first time a Chinese leader has publicly commented on the notion of a G-2, though Wen and a number of Chinese officials and think-tanks had cast doubt on the practicability of past notions of a "Chimerica".

The idea of a G-2 was first forwarded by US academic circles in 2006, but it was raised again by Zbigniew Brzezinski, an influential specialist in international relations and national security advisor to former US president Jimmy Carter, in Beijing in January as the two countries celebrated the 30th anniversary of establishing formal diplomatic ties.

Similar to "Chimerica", which would put the US and China at the forefront of international affairs, the idea of a G-2 grouping has attracted wide attention, especially as Brzezinski was an advisor to President Barack Obama during the presidential elections.

In the Group of 20 (G-20) summit in London last month, the G-2 was floated again in the Western media and academic circles. Then after several weeks, on the eve of this month's just-concluded 11th Sino-EU summit, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband predicted that over the next few decades, China would become one of the two "powers that count".

He said, "China was becoming an indispensable power in the 21st century in the way [former US secretary of state] Madeleine Albright said the US was an indispensable power at the end of the last century". He also argued it would be up to Europe if it wanted to change the G-2 into a G-3.

While widely discussed, the concept of a G-2 has not been clearly defined. According to Brzezinski, G-2 described the current reality, yet for Miliband, G-2 was a possibility in the foreseeable future.

The exact structure of the proposed G-2 is also unclear. A G-2 would seem to imply that the group would have the strength, capability and will to set the agenda for international affairs. It could be argued, as only two countries are involved, that this would resemble world hegemony.

China has neither the capacity nor the desire to become a member of a G-2. It is true that China has the world's third-largest economy, is the biggest creditor to the world's sole superpower - the United States, and is one of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security council, and China indeed seems a big power.

However, with its huge population and wealth and development gaps, China can also be seen as a poor, underdeveloped country - its per capita GDP was ranked 104th globally last year by the World Bank. China is still a developing country, and by comparison the US is far more advanced in almost all economic sectors and in soft power and military strength. At this stage and in the foreseeable future, there is no match between China and the US in terms of overall strength.

The responsibility of a G-2 member to jointly shape the world's economy and international affairs is too far beyond China's ability and ambitions. It is unwise for a country, like a person, to commit itself to something beyond its ability. That is why when Western commentators discuss the G-2, China is inevitably suspicious of their intentions. Many Chinese scholars fear that under a G-2, China could be enmeshed into a structure built by the US, and required to make more contributions to world economic and social development than it can afford.

A G-2 would also imply a need for China to overhaul domestic governance. As a member of G-2, China would need to be a leader in both foreign and internal affairs, and this has raised fears of Western intervention in China's domestic affairs.

The grouping also goes against core principles of China's foreign policy such as multilateralism and the desire for a multipolar world order. For example, Wen stressed on at the Prague Sino-EU summit the importance of China's relations with the EU.

Another major reason for China to reject a G-2 is that it is would not be legitimate international structure. If G-2 was built with the help of the US, then the question is who can empower or authorize the US to do that? We can imagine the G-2 would be refused by most countries if taken to a global referendum. No other country, except for US, wants to see the emergence of "pax-Chimericana". The rejection of a G-2 does not mean China will shirk its global responsibilities. China has welcomed the increased role it and other big developing countries enjoy through the G-20 framework.

Even if a G-2 became a reality, it could never replace the power, function and authority of the UN as the sole international organization recognized by the majority of states in the world. Although there are many problems that the UN faces in regard to its effectiveness and accountability, it is still the best platform for the international community to peacefully deal with issues of common interest.

As the US became the target of anti-Americanism in the world after former president George W Bush started the Iraq war in 2003, G-2 one day could also be the target of anti-hegemony or anti-imperialist movements, affecting China's global image.

Another reason is related to the rise of civil society as an increasingly important factor in international governance, especially since the end of the Cold War. Without the participation of transnational non-government organizations (NGOs), many international issues can not be resolved successfully. Yet if G-2 was accountable for international governance it could be a threat to global civil society because as a hegemonic structure it could limit the function and ability of other actors including other countries, the UN and lots of NGOs.

It is self evident that a G-2 would not be good for other countries and powers, especially rising industrial stars like India, Russia and Brazil. All of these nations have the ambition to compete for influence and power with both US and China in the international arena. The idea of a G-2 is based neither upon the realities of international politics nor on the willingness of China and the rest of the world.

Dr Jian Junbo is assistant professor of the Institute of International Studies at Fudan University, Shanghai, China.

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This is an excellent article!

A vivid demonstration of typical Chinese mentality and wisdom. It reminds us a story in the famous book <<The Romance of Three Kingdoms>>:
&#8230; an envoy had come with letter from Wu, and it ran like this:

"Thy servant, Sun Quan, has long seen destiny indicates Your Highness as master of all, and looks forward with confidence to your early accession to the dignity of the Son of God. If you will send your armies to destroy Liu Bei and sweep rebellion from the two River Lands, thy servant at the head of his armies will submit and accept his land as a fief."

Cao Cao laughed as he read this, and he said to his officers, "Is this youth trying to put me on a furnace?"

:lol:
 
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Had America said this about India.You'd find millions of Indians boasting about this on internet :lol:.Indians would be like lets join G-2 and finish China and Pakistan.
 
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Had America said this about India.You'd find millions of Indians boasting about this on internet :lol:

Buddy, when the Chinese say something with 50% confidence, you might as well put 100% trust; when the Indians say something with 100% confidence, your boldness would be astonishingly insane if 50% is bet.

No offence but just my observation.
 
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Had America said this about India.You'd find millions of Indians boasting about this on internet :lol:

No no, saadahmed, even before the Yanks remotely having a clue about the concept of G2, countless Indians would volunteer by constantly reminding them "You Yankee Sir, why not choose the world's biggest democracy - shining India to make something called G2 "? :P

:rofl:
 
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No no, saadahmed, even before the Yanks remotely having a clue about the concept of G2, countless Indians would volunteer by constantly reminding them "You Yankee Sir, why not choose the world's biggest democracy - shining India to make something called G2 "? :P

:rofl:

No thanks bro. Go ahead, be a member of G-2. Oh wait, weren't you member of G-2 acting as US pawn against Russia dancing to its tune? :usflag::cheers::china:


What US sowed in 20th century owing to its "cowboy policies" will hunt them for whole 21st century.
 
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Had America said this about India.You'd find millions of Indians boasting about this on internet :lol:.Indians would be like lets join G-2 and finish China and Pakistan.

Fortunately or unfortunately, this is true for most parts.

Some of this is because of Deng Xiaoping's idea that "China shall never lead", and China being happy to let US or other countries take the lead. That has a strong influence on Chinese voiced opinions. India on the other hand is still recovering from the "Hindu rate of growth" and is still figuring out its place in the world.

Another reason is that Indian opinion represents the voice of the people, not the government. Indians have much less restriction on the internet. There is no censorship and anyone can post whatever they want. Indians also understand more English, so even people who are less knowledgeable about foreign affairs get online. In China, the English speakers are usually also educated in other fields, so the voices you hear on the internet are from mostly educated people. If you go to a Chinese forum (and use babelfish to translate into English), you'll hear more divergent voices.

There might also be a cultural factor, but I see this more when I talk to Japanese than any other people. I certainly am no expert on the cultural differences.


Anyway, let us leave India out of a China-America discussion. It will lead the thread offtopic.
 
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No thanks bro. Go ahead, be a member of G-2. Oh wait, weren't you member of G-2 acting as US pawn against Russia dancing to its tune? :usflag::cheers::china:


What US sowed in 20th century owing to its "cowboy policies" will hunt them for whole 21st century.


When China and US co-operated against USSR or Vietnam, the relationship was entirely different. Now US and China are as interdependent as an addict and a crack-dealer. US is the consumer and China the producer and world subsidizes all the US imports by buying up US currency.
US needs their currency to be dominant (that way world subsidizes US) and China needs a place to export their stuff. If this cycle stops, US economy will grind to a stop when they are unable to import stuff. Since US constitutes about half of world's imports, China will then be affected. On top of that the Chinese cache of US bonds will immediately lose value.

This sort of absolute inter-dependence has not happened between such large economies for a long time. Now, since the whole world needs to agree to prop the US dollar up, it might be beneficial for China and US to together prop up the dollar. But I think Chinese solution is to diversify into other currencies - not sure how well that will work, but we'll see.
 
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When China and US co-operated against USSR or Vietnam, the relationship was entirely different. Now US and China are as interdependent as an addict and a crack-dealer. US is the consumer and China the producer and world subsidizes all the US imports by buying up US currency.
US needs their currency to be dominant (that way world subsidizes US) and China needs a place to export their stuff. If this cycle stops, US economy will grind to a stop when they are unable to import stuff. Since US constitutes about half of world's imports, China will then be affected. On top of that the Chinese cache of US bonds will immediately lose value.

This sort of absolute inter-dependence has not happened between such large economies for a long time. Now, since the whole world needs to agree to prop the US dollar up, it might be beneficial for China and US to together prop up the dollar. But I think Chinese solution is to diversify into other currencies - not sure how well that will work, but we'll see.

Even though the relationship between China and US is not as simple as the way you have put it, but it is close enough with such short description. There is even a name for it, Chimerica that was invented by Niall Ferguson.
Not two countries, but one: Chimerica
Team 'Chimerica'

Back to the original article, the main idea of the article is that China does not want to join hands with the US to shape the world order unilaterally as what US did for the past 50 years. US proposed this idea is because it still want to continue its unilateralism with China as it partner, since it know that it can no longer deny the emergence of the multilateral world orders by itself.
 
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Had America said this about India.You'd find millions of Indians boasting about this on internet :lol:.Indians would be like lets join G-2 and finish China and Pakistan.

What can we expect from an enemy that's hell-bent on destruction.
 
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The world should and will be multi-polar. China will never seek to dominate, and this fact has been reiterated many a times.
 
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since G2 was raised , most Chinese thaink G2 is just Yankee's tricks to isolate China from most countries...

the achievement of Chinese is there.

we didn't get frustrated when west blah " CHina to collapse".
we should not get faint and lost ,either, when west flatters China as "G2".

just dance according to our thythm,we will surely be accomplish the great reemergence of CHina.
 
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it's good to see that Chinese leaders keep a clear mind when dealing with countries like US. US will never see China as a trustful ally and neither will it like to see the increase of China's influences in the world. There is only one reason for US to brag about this Chinamerica concept at this moment: to make Chinese keep buying US treasury bond.
 
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When China and US co-operated against USSR or Vietnam, the relationship was entirely different. Now US and China are as interdependent as an addict and a crack-dealer. US is the consumer and China the producer and world subsidizes all the US imports by buying up US currency.
US needs their currency to be dominant (that way world subsidizes US) and China needs a place to export their stuff. If this cycle stops, US economy will grind to a stop when they are unable to import stuff. Since US constitutes about half of world's imports, China will then be affected. On top of that the Chinese cache of US bonds will immediately lose value.

This sort of absolute inter-dependence has not happened between such large economies for a long time. Now, since the whole world needs to agree to prop the US dollar up, it might be beneficial for China and US to together prop up the dollar. But I think Chinese solution is to diversify into other currencies - not sure how well that will work, but we'll see.

US may be addicted to the Gov Loan from China, but does China really depends greatly on the US import? I think Americans did a good job to convince some ppl (including some Chinese government official) that false illusion
 
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US may be addicted to the Gov Loan from China, but does China really depends greatly on the US import? I think Americans did a good job to convince some ppl (including some Chinese government official) that false illusion

No, China does not depend on imports from US, but China does need US market for its exports. 19.1% of China's 1.4 trillion exports are destined to US and some of 15.1% via HK to US as well. Do you know how many jobs that translates to?

Until you can replace the jobs of those exports orientated manufacturers, you can not say that China does not depend on US.
 
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