China’s military advantage over India vanishing

[aimarraul]

where are the firecrackers

 

[hack]

This survey is out-dated, biased but here it is. Also from analyzing the poll this is mostly a by-product of mass media hysteria. Why do White Nationalists create an entire category for Hindus/Indians while they lump rest of Asians together?!













March 3, 2008
Americans’ Most and Least Favored Nations
Canada and Great Britain remain the most popular allies
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Of 22 countries rated in Gallup's 2008 World Affairs survey, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, and Japan win favor with at least 80% of Americans, while Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, North Korea, and Iran are viewed favorably by no more than 20%.

Canada and Great Britain have topped Gallup's country rankings each of the 12 times since 1989 that both countries have been measured, although in most cases Canada has led Great Britain by a few percentage points. The only other country to approach 90% favorability over the years has been Australia. On each of the three occasions it was included in Gallup's country list, including last year, it ranked just as high as Great Britain.

Altogether, 10 countries rated in the Feb. 11-14, 2008, poll are viewed favorably by a majority of Americans. Following the top four, Israel receives a 71% favorable rating, similar to the 69% for both India and France. About 6 in 10 Americans have a favorable view of Egypt, South Korea, and Mexico.

Americans are about equally divided in their views of Russia and Kenya, with a fairly large percentage (21%) having no opinion of Kenya.

Ten countries are viewed unfavorably by at least half of Americans. Of these, Iran, North Korea, the Palestinian Authority, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Cuba are viewed more negatively than positively by a greater than 2-to-1 margin. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and China have somewhat more moderately negative images.

Notable Differences

Gallup finds some significant generational and partisan gaps in favorability toward some countries.

* Israel, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq are all viewed more favorably by Republicans than by Democrats.
* France, Mexico, China, Venezuela, and Cuba are all viewed more favorably by Democrats than by Republicans.
* Two of the starkest demographic distinctions in survey ratings are age differences in perceptions of Russia and China. About 6 in 10 young adults (those aged 18 to 34) have a favorable view of these countries, compared with no more than half of middle-aged adults and only about a third of those 55 and older.
* Younger adults are also more likely than those 55 and older to have favorable views of France, Egypt, Mexico, Kenya, Venezuela, Cuba, the Palestinian Authority, North Korea, and Iran.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,007 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Feb. 11-14, 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Of course Gallup does not know how to do a poll...but you do?

As usual your theory lies on the roadside...pretty clear the Han are not as liked as you think.

 

[hack]

Here you go another gallup poll from this year...ooops,The Han lose again!!

Canada Remains Americans? Most Favored Nation

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Here you go another gallup poll from this year...ooops,The Han lose again!!

Canada Remains Americans? Most Favored Nation

How about we do a better 'poll' that actually allows people free expression, say videos on India vs. Pak vs. China vs. USA vs. Russia vs. France vs UK.

There's tons of comments you can go through.

 

[hack]

How about we do a better 'poll' that actually allows people free expression, say videos on India vs. Pak vs. China vs. USA vs. Russia vs. France vs UK.

There's tons of comments you can go through.

So are Indians disliked the most? I think I will stay with gallup,the premier polling agency in the world.

You are too easy.

 

[EjazR]

@SinoIndus

Whilst I appreciate your concern of illegal Indians in various countries, the article has nothing to do with that. Neither does it have anything to do with China or Indians popularity in the west. Stop derailing the thread and either contribute something on TOPIC, or create a NEW thread to discuss this

To others, DON'T feed the troll. Stick to the topic!

 

[DaRk WaVe]

China?s military advantage over India vanishing - upiasia.com

Toronto, ON, Canada, — The difference between China’s official words and actual deeds could lead to another conflict with India similar to the one in 1962.

First, China does not prefer India’s emerging status as a global power. Second, it is paranoid that if India completes its planned military purchases in the next five years, conquering and humiliating it would remain a distant dream. Third, China wants to grab the town of Tawang, birthplace of the current Dalai Lama, on the Indian side of the Tibet border. This is a symbolic Chinese ploy to let the Tibetans know who their real masters are.

China began a massive military exercise in mid-August called “Stride 2009,” deploying 50,000 troops in areas far from their home bases for live-fire drills. According to analysts, the exercise shows China’s readiness to respond quickly to unrest in any part of the country. It also demonstrates the effectiveness of China’s infrastructure, which allows the quick deployment of troops hundreds of miles away. The program culminates on Oct. 1, China’s 60th anniversary.

China maintains 30-40 divisions of reserve forces in its central provinces. But Tibet and the Indian border are outside this area of quick deployment, linked by a single rail line built on permafrost. While the exercise sheds lights on China’s reserve force, it is not India-specific yet. Still India, lately busy on the Pakistan border, may need to alter its defense posture.

China’s former leader Deng Xiaoping put the border dispute with India on the back burner in 1978. But he made an agreement with India that both countries would maintain a standstill in the Himalayas and avoid military build-up.

The promise held until 1998, when China began improving its military infrastructure in the Himalayas and building multiple missile bases. But it did not increase its ground forces, which stood at 200,000 soldiers.

India also kept its bargain and did not add a single soldier to its 30,000 in the east and 20,000 in the west. India even held off building new roads and improving infrastructure in its border areas. In hindsight that was a mistake.

Recently, China’s building of an intercontinental missile base at Delingha, north of Tibet, has set alarm bells ringing. Most of Russia and India are within its missile range, and being far from Taiwan keeps it sheltered from the U.S. gaze.

In the past 30 years India has held 13 high-level talks with China on the demarcation of the border, the last one in July this year. Each proved fruitless. China wants the Tawang tract and will not talk about vacating the Akash Chin plateau in Kashmir.

To make its point it has begun building more roads, missile bases and airfields in addition to its existing military infrastructure. It is also encouraging Nepal to enter into a free trade treaty, giving the Chinese an excuse to add more roads and possibly a rail link to bring them closer to India.

Tibet has become more restive in the past ten years. Last year’s pre-Olympic riots blew the lid off China’s tight security when its 200,000 force had to be split between law and order and border guard duties. While China marginally increased the force during the riots, India augmented its force only slightly. Now its military strength in Tibet is insufficient to conquer India or the Tawang tract, although border skirmishes remain a possibility.

India has its own evaluation of the China threat. A decision to engage China through diplomatic channels between 2001 and 2005 produced no results, so India decided to go for a military build-up. Eight mountain divisions trained to fight in the Himalayas will be augmented by two more, and an additional 60,000 ground troops will be sent to the east closer to Tawang and to the state of Sikkim. Also, some 20,000 additional troops will be added to the current strength in the west in Ladakh.

Three airfields lying derelict in the east and three in the west have been activated. A major airbase only 200 miles from the Tibetan border will be upgraded to serve India’s premier Sukhoi fighter. This airfield is a major threat to China’s rail link. India has also initiated other road-building activities. One will connect Ladakh with the rest of India via Manali-Rohtang. Another will connect Itanagar, capital of Arunachal Pradesh state, with neighboring Assam.

These developments could effectively neutralize China’s current advantage. Besides, Indian troops are much more capable in jungle and mountain warfare than they were in 1962. India’s conflict with Kashmir in Kargil in 1999 has presumably shown China that Indians cannot be beaten on the ground as easily as they were in 1962.

China won the 1962 battle with India by indulging in classic Chinese warfare tactics – confusing the enemy with conciliatory signals. On the ground, India had incompetent generals leading a brave bunch of soldiers. Additionally, Chinese soldiers had an advantage with their Soviet copies of German-designed submachine guns called “burp guns.” The rapid-fire submachine guns overwhelmed the Indians, who were carrying World War II Lee Enfield rifles.

Things have now changed; India’s current assault rifle is comparable to China’s and India’s generals have learned the art of war.

India will receive new military hardware in the next five years. Its newly commissioned nuclear submarine will be fully operational by 2012 or 2013, and the Russian aircraft carrier on order is expected to join the Indian navy. Indian-made light combat aircraft and imported medium combat aircraft will be operational in squadron strength.

All this hardware, plus ultra-light artillery fit for action in the Himalayas, will soon become operational. By 2014 India will have twice its current firepower and ten times that of 1962.

So China is planning a new strategy that includes cruise-missile attacks on the Indian heartland and confrontation on the high seas. The biggest threats to India are missiles launched from Tibet and China’s naval armada in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese cruise missiles with a range of 1,500 miles launched from Tibet and intermediate-range ballistic missiles launched from Delingha are big threats. India’s industrial heartland and military bases lie within their range, and new guidance systems make the missiles highly accurate. There is no known defense against a massed attack by some 200 cruise missiles. India’s only hope is that they would miss their targets after traveling 600 miles over the Himalayas.

China is depending most on its naval armada in the Indian Ocean. It has a surveillance station off the Myanmar coast and a newly built naval port in Gawdar, Pakistan. Both are militarily significant. But India counters this advantage with its naval base at the western mouth of the Gulf of Malacca on Andaman Island.

If an overconfident China decided to test Indian resolve by creating an incident, India could retaliate by capturing China’s surveillance base off the Myanmar coast. This could escalate hostilities, but China would risk losing its oil supplies if it stepped up the conflict.

It is pointless for China to wage war with India. Instead, the two countries should engage in greater trade and business, which can bring more prosperity. An unsuccessful invasion of India would be a terrible loss for the Chinese.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)

What a stupid article, is this guy from BR
whole article is if India is the only "victim" for god sake man, hvae some sense, Indians are already occupying places and look at the way he projecting 'victimized' image of India, btw can i know who started the mis adventure of 1962??
No one had got dreams of Humiliating any one, its just that India feels that every one is looking at it & it gets uncomfortable, they are stock piling weapons from every corner of globe & still projecting it self as a victim...
yeah one air field of MKI will counter whole of PLAAF, i totally agree with it,Chinese are sitting ducks & sleeping & according to the writer it can effectively neutralize China's capability
and btw will any one tell me which 'ultra light artillery' writer is talking about?
now look at this line "There is no known defense against a massed attack by some 200 cruise missiles. India’s only hope is that they would miss their targets after traveling 600 miles over the Himalaya" good keep on hoping & moreover Chinese are not that stupid that they will loose their "oil supply" this writer seriously needs a doctor & in the end see the conclusion

 

[praveen]

Attacking in the himalayas is not exactly easy for China

a)Tibet is a huge plateau hence the chinese aircraft cannot carry much payload so they must take-off from chengdu region.They cannot do sorties deep into Indian territory
b)They have to accilimatise their soldiers .
c)Not all the 200,000 soldiers cannot be used for offense who is going to watch over Tibet.
d)What if India sends SFF into Tibet
e)They have to be wary over the joint naval command at Andaman

Do they have leaders of Mao and Deng Xao Pings caliber.Can the current generation of leaders have the same hold over people as the long march generation.

India will never be an agressor in the scenaoriur OPOBJ will only be giving them a bloody nose.

India's worries

We have to watch the 9th artillery regiment

 

[EjazR]

As the article points out, the most crucial period is the next five years. India will have to strategically use its governance, diplomacy and military to prevent any major combat from happening.

Diplomatic:
(1) Keep China engaged to improve climate change, education and research, cultural, trade relations. Insist on peaceful resolution of border issues but not make it a stumbling block for other things
(2) Involve Russia, Japan and east Asian countries like Taiwan and South Korea in defense co-operation and exchanges on top of existing relations.

Military:
(1) Improve infrastructure like roads, rail and air links
(2) Use of UAVs, satellites, thermal and infrared scanners to keep track of movement in border regions
(3) Establish forward missile bases if not present in the NE-region to act as deterrent for the Chinese Tibetean base.

Governance:
(1) Provide special development packages to Ladakh, Sikkim and NE region to bring prosperity to the people.
(2) Insist on army, para-military and police to follow the law and not indulge in human rights abuse. "encounter killings" just create more discontent that can be exploited
(3) State government should fight any corruption and smuggling as a priority so that development funds don't get squandered.

 

[praveen]

As the article points out, the most crucial period is the next five years. India will have to strategically use its governance, diplomacy and military to prevent any major combat from happening.

Diplomatic:
(1) Keep China engaged to improve climate change, education and research, cultural, trade relations. Insist on peaceful resolution of border issues but not make it a stumbling block for other things
(2) Involve Russia, Japan and east Asian countries like Taiwan and South Korea in defense co-operation and exchanges on top of existing relations.

Being done Ejaz ,Shinzo Abe even propose a coalition of democracies in south asia similar to NATO.The combined excercises in the Bay of Bengal last year rattled the Chinese

Military:
(1) Improve infrastructure like roads, rail and air links
(2) Use of UAVs, satellites, thermal and infrared scanners to keep track of movement in border regions
(3) Establish forward missile bases if not present in the NE-region to act as deterrent for the Chinese Tibetean base.

Being done as far as I know

Governance:
(1) Provide special development packages to Ladakh, Sikkim and NE region to bring prosperity to the people.
(2) Insist on army, para-military and police to follow the law and not indulge in human rights abuse. "encounter killings" just create more discontent that can be exploited
(3) State government should fight any corruption and smuggling as a priority so that development funds don't get squandered.

Don't know much about this part

 

[leonblack08]

@ Ejaz

I hope you did find "ultra-nationalistic" touch to the article by the author.Since that is the case,the article lost its quality.

Just want to give a reminder,as India has been spending money on defence,so is China.The good thing for China is that it has successfully surrounded India,with friendly countries like Pakistan,Myanmar,Sri Lanka and may be Bangladesh.

So having better equipment does not always help.Strategically China is indeed in a better position.

So the term "vanishing" seems like a term from a fanboy.The author is to be blamed for that.

 

[Gabbar]

@ Ejaz

I hope you did find "ultra-nationalistic" touch to the article by the author.Since that is the case,the article lost its quality.

Just want to give a reminder,as India has been spending money on defence,so is China.The good thing for China is that it has successfully surrounded India,with friendly countries like Pakistan,Myanmar,Sri Lanka and may be Bangladesh.

So having better equipment does not always help.Strategically China is indeed in a better position.

So the term "vanishing" seems like a term from a fanboy.The author is to be blamed for that.

I dont think the edge vanishing but slowly India is trying to catch up to them. China's defence budget is way bigger that India's. India is making headways and finally is waking up to the lack of indigneous weapons in defence sector. China started on this path way earlier. China indeed is a beast to be reckon with, even US has to think about it before doing anything stupid. Just compare this decade of defece sector in India to 90s. India is moving ahead but we started late.

 

[leonblack08]

I dont think the edge vanishing but slowly India is trying to catch up to them. China's defence budget is way bigger that India's. India is making headways and finally is waking up to the lack of indigneous weapons in defence sector. China started on this path way earlier. China indeed is a beast to be reckon with, even US has to think about it before doing anything stupid. Just compare this decade of defece sector in India to 90s. India is moving ahead but we started late.

Exactly.China has a head start on India regarding this.In addition China spends more in its military,which is natural as it is a huge country with huge economy and it can afford to do so.

I do agree India is trying to catch up,but the difference is far from vanishing.

 

[Patriot]

This Hari Sud is the same guy who said Ereyeie awacs are at best compareable to DRDO awacs and one squad of SU30MKI can take care of whole China's Air Force.

 

[leonblack08]

This Hari Sud is the same guy who said Ereyeie awacs are at best compareable to DRDO awacs and one squad of SU30MKI can take care of whole China's Air Force.

Well if that is the case,then I think we are wasting our time reading and discussing this article (no offence to Ejaz).