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China?s military advantage over India vanishing - upiasia.com

Toronto, ON, Canada, — The difference between China’s official words and actual deeds could lead to another conflict with India similar to the one in 1962.

First, China does not prefer India’s emerging status as a global power. Second, it is paranoid that if India completes its planned military purchases in the next five years, conquering and humiliating it would remain a distant dream. Third, China wants to grab the town of Tawang, birthplace of the current Dalai Lama, on the Indian side of the Tibet border. This is a symbolic Chinese ploy to let the Tibetans know who their real masters are.

China began a massive military exercise in mid-August called “Stride 2009,” deploying 50,000 troops in areas far from their home bases for live-fire drills. According to analysts, the exercise shows China’s readiness to respond quickly to unrest in any part of the country. It also demonstrates the effectiveness of China’s infrastructure, which allows the quick deployment of troops hundreds of miles away. The program culminates on Oct. 1, China’s 60th anniversary.

China maintains 30-40 divisions of reserve forces in its central provinces. But Tibet and the Indian border are outside this area of quick deployment, linked by a single rail line built on permafrost. While the exercise sheds lights on China’s reserve force, it is not India-specific yet. Still India, lately busy on the Pakistan border, may need to alter its defense posture.

China’s former leader Deng Xiaoping put the border dispute with India on the back burner in 1978. But he made an agreement with India that both countries would maintain a standstill in the Himalayas and avoid military build-up.

The promise held until 1998, when China began improving its military infrastructure in the Himalayas and building multiple missile bases. But it did not increase its ground forces, which stood at 200,000 soldiers.

India also kept its bargain and did not add a single soldier to its 30,000 in the east and 20,000 in the west. India even held off building new roads and improving infrastructure in its border areas. In hindsight that was a mistake.

Recently, China’s building of an intercontinental missile base at Delingha, north of Tibet, has set alarm bells ringing. Most of Russia and India are within its missile range, and being far from Taiwan keeps it sheltered from the U.S. gaze.

In the past 30 years India has held 13 high-level talks with China on the demarcation of the border, the last one in July this year. Each proved fruitless. China wants the Tawang tract and will not talk about vacating the Akash Chin plateau in Kashmir.

To make its point it has begun building more roads, missile bases and airfields in addition to its existing military infrastructure. It is also encouraging Nepal to enter into a free trade treaty, giving the Chinese an excuse to add more roads and possibly a rail link to bring them closer to India.

Tibet has become more restive in the past ten years. Last year’s pre-Olympic riots blew the lid off China’s tight security when its 200,000 force had to be split between law and order and border guard duties. While China marginally increased the force during the riots, India augmented its force only slightly. Now its military strength in Tibet is insufficient to conquer India or the Tawang tract, although border skirmishes remain a possibility.

India has its own evaluation of the China threat. A decision to engage China through diplomatic channels between 2001 and 2005 produced no results, so India decided to go for a military build-up. Eight mountain divisions trained to fight in the Himalayas will be augmented by two more, and an additional 60,000 ground troops will be sent to the east closer to Tawang and to the state of Sikkim. Also, some 20,000 additional troops will be added to the current strength in the west in Ladakh.

Three airfields lying derelict in the east and three in the west have been activated. A major airbase only 200 miles from the Tibetan border will be upgraded to serve India’s premier Sukhoi fighter. This airfield is a major threat to China’s rail link. India has also initiated other road-building activities. One will connect Ladakh with the rest of India via Manali-Rohtang. Another will connect Itanagar, capital of Arunachal Pradesh state, with neighboring Assam.

These developments could effectively neutralize China’s current advantage. Besides, Indian troops are much more capable in jungle and mountain warfare than they were in 1962. India’s conflict with Kashmir in Kargil in 1999 has presumably shown China that Indians cannot be beaten on the ground as easily as they were in 1962.

China won the 1962 battle with India by indulging in classic Chinese warfare tactics – confusing the enemy with conciliatory signals. On the ground, India had incompetent generals leading a brave bunch of soldiers. Additionally, Chinese soldiers had an advantage with their Soviet copies of German-designed submachine guns called “burp guns.” The rapid-fire submachine guns overwhelmed the Indians, who were carrying World War II Lee Enfield rifles.

Things have now changed; India’s current assault rifle is comparable to China’s and India’s generals have learned the art of war.

India will receive new military hardware in the next five years. Its newly commissioned nuclear submarine will be fully operational by 2012 or 2013, and the Russian aircraft carrier on order is expected to join the Indian navy. Indian-made light combat aircraft and imported medium combat aircraft will be operational in squadron strength.

All this hardware, plus ultra-light artillery fit for action in the Himalayas, will soon become operational. By 2014 India will have twice its current firepower and ten times that of 1962.

So China is planning a new strategy that includes cruise-missile attacks on the Indian heartland and confrontation on the high seas. The biggest threats to India are missiles launched from Tibet and China’s naval armada in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese cruise missiles with a range of 1,500 miles launched from Tibet and intermediate-range ballistic missiles launched from Delingha are big threats. India’s industrial heartland and military bases lie within their range, and new guidance systems make the missiles highly accurate. There is no known defense against a massed attack by some 200 cruise missiles. India’s only hope is that they would miss their targets after traveling 600 miles over the Himalayas.

China is depending most on its naval armada in the Indian Ocean. It has a surveillance station off the Myanmar coast and a newly built naval port in Gawdar, Pakistan. Both are militarily significant. But India counters this advantage with its naval base at the western mouth of the Gulf of Malacca on Andaman Island.

If an overconfident China decided to test Indian resolve by creating an incident, India could retaliate by capturing China’s surveillance base off the Myanmar coast. This could escalate hostilities, but China would risk losing its oil supplies if it stepped up the conflict.

It is pointless for China to wage war with India. Instead, the two countries should engage in greater trade and business, which can bring more prosperity. An unsuccessful invasion of India would be a terrible loss for the Chinese.

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(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)
 
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Bharat and Indians AGAIN playing the "victim card" when they have been the AGGRESSOR. Whose "Forward Policy" started wars in 1950s??? Whose "Akhand Bharat" is stealing land from all around??? Who plays the "1962" victim when they got retaliated???

WHY ARE CHINESE (and "Mongoloids") LAND BEING OCCUPIED BY HINDUS???

Do you see within China any land with Indians being occupied? NO. But you do see in "Greater India" land with CHINESE ETHNIC GROUPS WHO WANT TO BE PART OF CHINA (not India).

What these pathetic Imperialistic Indians are doing is unsustainable. Too much greed will see to it that they collapse from within, without any need for outside interference. We are already seeing that happening, 40% of the land is renegading from RSS control. :woot:
 
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China?s military advantage over India vanishing - upiasia.com

Toronto, ON, Canada, — The difference between China’s official words and actual deeds could lead to another conflict with India similar to the one in 1962.

First, China does not prefer India’s emerging status as a global power. Second, it is paranoid that if India completes its planned military purchases in the next five years, conquering and humiliating it would remain a distant dream. Third, China wants to grab the town of Tawang, birthplace of the current Dalai Lama, on the Indian side of the Tibet border. This is a symbolic Chinese ploy to let the Tibetans know who their real masters are.

China began a massive military exercise in mid-August called “Stride 2009,” deploying 50,000 troops in areas far from their home bases for live-fire drills. According to analysts, the exercise shows China’s readiness to respond quickly to unrest in any part of the country. It also demonstrates the effectiveness of China’s infrastructure, which allows the quick deployment of troops hundreds of miles away. The program culminates on Oct. 1, China’s 60th anniversary.

China maintains 30-40 divisions of reserve forces in its central provinces. But Tibet and the Indian border are outside this area of quick deployment, linked by a single rail line built on permafrost. While the exercise sheds lights on China’s reserve force, it is not India-specific yet. Still India, lately busy on the Pakistan border, may need to alter its defense posture.

China’s former leader Deng Xiaoping put the border dispute with India on the back burner in 1978. But he made an agreement with India that both countries would maintain a standstill in the Himalayas and avoid military build-up.

The promise held until 1998, when China began improving its military infrastructure in the Himalayas and building multiple missile bases. But it did not increase its ground forces, which stood at 200,000 soldiers.

India also kept its bargain and did not add a single soldier to its 30,000 in the east and 20,000 in the west. India even held off building new roads and improving infrastructure in its border areas. In hindsight that was a mistake.

Recently, China’s building of an intercontinental missile base at Delingha, north of Tibet, has set alarm bells ringing. Most of Russia and India are within its missile range, and being far from Taiwan keeps it sheltered from the U.S. gaze.

In the past 30 years India has held 13 high-level talks with China on the demarcation of the border, the last one in July this year. Each proved fruitless. China wants the Tawang tract and will not talk about vacating the Akash Chin plateau in Kashmir.

To make its point it has begun building more roads, missile bases and airfields in addition to its existing military infrastructure. It is also encouraging Nepal to enter into a free trade treaty, giving the Chinese an excuse to add more roads and possibly a rail link to bring them closer to India.

Tibet has become more restive in the past ten years. Last year’s pre-Olympic riots blew the lid off China’s tight security when its 200,000 force had to be split between law and order and border guard duties. While China marginally increased the force during the riots, India augmented its force only slightly. Now its military strength in Tibet is insufficient to conquer India or the Tawang tract, although border skirmishes remain a possibility.

India has its own evaluation of the China threat. A decision to engage China through diplomatic channels between 2001 and 2005 produced no results, so India decided to go for a military build-up. Eight mountain divisions trained to fight in the Himalayas will be augmented by two more, and an additional 60,000 ground troops will be sent to the east closer to Tawang and to the state of Sikkim. Also, some 20,000 additional troops will be added to the current strength in the west in Ladakh.

Three airfields lying derelict in the east and three in the west have been activated. A major airbase only 200 miles from the Tibetan border will be upgraded to serve India’s premier Sukhoi fighter. This airfield is a major threat to China’s rail link. India has also initiated other road-building activities. One will connect Ladakh with the rest of India via Manali-Rohtang. Another will connect Itanagar, capital of Arunachal Pradesh state, with neighboring Assam.

These developments could effectively neutralize China’s current advantage. Besides, Indian troops are much more capable in jungle and mountain warfare than they were in 1962. India’s conflict with Kashmir in Kargil in 1999 has presumably shown China that Indians cannot be beaten on the ground as easily as they were in 1962.

China won the 1962 battle with India by indulging in classic Chinese warfare tactics – confusing the enemy with conciliatory signals. On the ground, India had incompetent generals leading a brave bunch of soldiers. Additionally, Chinese soldiers had an advantage with their Soviet copies of German-designed submachine guns called “burp guns.” The rapid-fire submachine guns overwhelmed the Indians, who were carrying World War II Lee Enfield rifles.

Things have now changed; India’s current assault rifle is comparable to China’s and India’s generals have learned the art of war.

India will receive new military hardware in the next five years. Its newly commissioned nuclear submarine will be fully operational by 2012 or 2013, and the Russian aircraft carrier on order is expected to join the Indian navy. Indian-made light combat aircraft and imported medium combat aircraft will be operational in squadron strength.

All this hardware, plus ultra-light artillery fit for action in the Himalayas, will soon become operational. By 2014 India will have twice its current firepower and ten times that of 1962.

So China is planning a new strategy that includes cruise-missile attacks on the Indian heartland and confrontation on the high seas. The biggest threats to India are missiles launched from Tibet and China’s naval armada in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese cruise missiles with a range of 1,500 miles launched from Tibet and intermediate-range ballistic missiles launched from Delingha are big threats. India’s industrial heartland and military bases lie within their range, and new guidance systems make the missiles highly accurate. There is no known defense against a massed attack by some 200 cruise missiles. India’s only hope is that they would miss their targets after traveling 600 miles over the Himalayas.

China is depending most on its naval armada in the Indian Ocean. It has a surveillance station off the Myanmar coast and a newly built naval port in Gawdar, Pakistan. Both are militarily significant. But India counters this advantage with its naval base at the western mouth of the Gulf of Malacca on Andaman Island.

If an overconfident China decided to test Indian resolve by creating an incident, India could retaliate by capturing China’s surveillance base off the Myanmar coast. This could escalate hostilities, but China would risk losing its oil supplies if it stepped up the conflict.

It is pointless for China to wage war with India. Instead, the two countries should engage in greater trade and business, which can bring more prosperity. An unsuccessful invasion of India would be a terrible loss for the Chinese.

--

(Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. ©Copyright Hari Sud.)

Another war-mongering Hindu Fanatic. :hitwall: Amazing how they are in the wrong (i.e. occupied Chinese & Myanmar land) yet they "pretend" to be the victim. :disagree:

Any nation that has unchecked over-population and imperialistic aspirations is a threat to the entire world. In the past Europe's population exploded and this lead to massive poverty and tribal wars. The "solution" they found lead to the horrible Imperialist actions of the past few centuries. Well now Europe is getting its fair share of immigrants.

The largest minority in UK is Hindu, and this is not including the estimated hundreds of thousands of illegals. London has already started cracking down on this, did it a few years ago but India make a large stink of the matter. What was happening was many folds. Some came on tourist visas but never returned. Others faked their credentials to immigrate based on the point system. Hundreds of thousands are sponsored by body-shoppers as "highly (un)skilled workers/fraudsters" and these scam their way in. Still others sneak onshore by paying a transit fee. Then from England, being part of EU they find their way to continental Europe.

South Africa, EAU (incl. Dubai), Saudi, China, Japan, Canada, Oz, USA are full of illegal Indians. Fact of the matter is that Indians are within the top 3 illegal immigrants in most nations. And this is because of over-population and perverse corruption creating and adding to Ahkand Bharat -- that is, instead of solving the root of the problems at home (poverty, ignorance, violence, corruption, lack of resources) the omni-potent leaders in Congress find it easier just to invade neighboring countries and illegal entering overseas countries to flood them with Indians (meaning displacing locales and in case of NE ethnic cleansing). :sniper:
 
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Yes says the guy whose country has equal amount of people and when Chinese are more in numbers than Indians in almost every part of the world.Legal as well as illegal population.

Talk about throwing stones sitting in glass houses!!
 
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India is acquiring the huge hardware to deter both China and Pakistan.. even together.
 
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Brits hate Pakistan the most, remember the swear that Prince harry used on a pakistan origin soldier in his unit. he said "you Paaki.." It a considered as abusive word in Englad to call some one "Pakki"
 
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Yes says the guy whose country has equal amount of people and when Chinese are more in numbers than Indians in almost every part of the world.Legal as well as illegal population.

Talk about throwing stones sitting in glass houses!!

Most Chinese are welcomed immigrants, not illegals like in India's case. Secondly, most nations that have Chinese are ancestral (e.g. ancient Chinese were the ORIGINAL settlers in SE Asia, Hawaii, etc).

Lastly, and most intriguingly is that there's a HUGE arse # of illegal Indians in China, while the LEGAL Chinese citizens (call we call them that when they aren't treated as such by Bharat?) are LEAVING (or getting murdered) India. :woot:


So this is not a case of throwing stones in a glass house. It just so happens this house has windows, a basement, a garage, and central heating! :)
 
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Most Chinese are welcomed immigrants, not illegals like in India's case. Secondly, most nations that have Chinese are ancestral (e.g. ancient Chinese were the ORIGINAL settlers in SE Asia, Hawaii, etc).

Lastly, and most intriguingly is that there's a HUGE arse # of illegal Indians in China, while the LEGAL Chinese citizens (call we call them that when they aren't treated as such by Bharat?) are LEAVING (or getting murdered) India. :woot:


So this is not a case of throwing stones in a glass house. It just so happens this house has windows, a basement, a garage, and central heating! :)

So Chinese are welcome but Indians are not?

Is this like how you proclaimed that Indians are disliked all over the world?:rofl:

Americans? Most and Least Favored Nations

Who do I believe hmmm troll extraordinaire or Gallup?
 
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Yes this is true, but Indians or Blacks are next most hated group by the English.

Oh really...No,Chinese are the most hated group more than Pakistanis and everyone else.

I guess if you can throw out random statements so can I.
 
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Hari Sud is at it again...Last time he said one squad of SU30MKi will take care of china's aerial forces :lol: Goes to show the indian mentality that they follow these kind of nutjobs.
 
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Oh really...No,Chinese are the most hated group more than Pakistanis and everyone else.

I guess if you can throw out random statements so can I.

Take it easy cowboy! If you really want to know check out Stormfront - White Nationalist Community where the word "hate" is natural. :)

Let's see if USA/UK/Israel starts to 'spread' the 'war-on-terror' onto India. If they do we'll know how they really feel about Hindus.
 
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China got 5years only to war with india. After 5years poor china can only dream of capturing our anurachal pradesh. After 5years india would be 3 times more powerful than at present but can china got gutts to war with india??? i do think till 5years india do need help from america, russia, france, israel, britian, japan, south korea (france is the one who makes fun of china every now and than). If war starts before 5years than i dont think america had any choise but to help india. America knew importance of india and it even said if china does any mischief than america will defianetly step in. So 5years india do need help specially in long range missiles which could hit chinese communist hub. China dont have defence shield (UNLIKE INDIA WHO BUILDING ONE and even have option to buy american patriotic missiles). Now our 5000 plus KM agni V missile test in next year. So by 2013 it would get inducted. If war starts before 2013 than india need russian long range missiles. Russia gave india nuclear submarine so what is missile? It would give india if india willing to buy it. i dont think china that sick head to war with india because china cant achieve anything. All they will gain is 'LOSS'. China can only play cat mouse game with india on border by sending few chinese soldier (they dont have gutts to send thousands because than india will reply and thats what china dont want). After 5years china aint got any chance even to provoke india. They should do it now. Question is will he? That depends is china sick head or not. If china decides to war india than it would be foolishness and china would pay heavily for it. Cheers.
 
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So Chinese are welcome but Indians are not?

Is this like how you proclaimed that Indians are disliked all over the world?:rofl:

Americans? Most and Least Favored Nations

Who do I believe hmmm troll extraordinaire or Gallup?

This survey is out-dated, biased but here it is. Also from analyzing the poll this is mostly a by-product of mass media hysteria. Why do White Nationalists create an entire category for Hindus/Indians while they lump rest of Asians together?! :)













March 3, 2008
Americans’ Most and Least Favored Nations
Canada and Great Britain remain the most popular allies
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Of 22 countries rated in Gallup's 2008 World Affairs survey, Canada, Great Britain, Germany, and Japan win favor with at least 80% of Americans, while Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, North Korea, and Iran are viewed favorably by no more than 20%.

Canada and Great Britain have topped Gallup's country rankings each of the 12 times since 1989 that both countries have been measured, although in most cases Canada has led Great Britain by a few percentage points. The only other country to approach 90% favorability over the years has been Australia. On each of the three occasions it was included in Gallup's country list, including last year, it ranked just as high as Great Britain.

Altogether, 10 countries rated in the Feb. 11-14, 2008, poll are viewed favorably by a majority of Americans. Following the top four, Israel receives a 71% favorable rating, similar to the 69% for both India and France. About 6 in 10 Americans have a favorable view of Egypt, South Korea, and Mexico.

Americans are about equally divided in their views of Russia and Kenya, with a fairly large percentage (21%) having no opinion of Kenya.

Ten countries are viewed unfavorably by at least half of Americans. Of these, Iran, North Korea, the Palestinian Authority, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Cuba are viewed more negatively than positively by a greater than 2-to-1 margin. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and China have somewhat more moderately negative images.

Notable Differences

Gallup finds some significant generational and partisan gaps in favorability toward some countries.

* Israel, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq are all viewed more favorably by Republicans than by Democrats.
* France, Mexico, China, Venezuela, and Cuba are all viewed more favorably by Democrats than by Republicans.
* Two of the starkest demographic distinctions in survey ratings are age differences in perceptions of Russia and China. About 6 in 10 young adults (those aged 18 to 34) have a favorable view of these countries, compared with no more than half of middle-aged adults and only about a third of those 55 and older.
* Younger adults are also more likely than those 55 and older to have favorable views of France, Egypt, Mexico, Kenya, Venezuela, Cuba, the Palestinian Authority, North Korea, and Iran.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,007 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Feb. 11-14, 2008. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
 
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