China’s J-10B Advanced Fighters To Pakistan Worries India

[Alfa-Fighter]

Well in BVR fight , which plane have bigger Electronic /Counter electronic system will won , SU-30MKI have 360 Radar Coverage and they can fire missile on the plane which is trailing him, they do no need come from from to take it down.

In close combat range which plane has more manuberable , have greater angle of attack which will, SU-30 MKI having angle of attack 180 Degree , i don't know J-17 Angle of attack should be more then 30 degree.


Technology helps the pilots and pilot alone without proper technology cannot take plane down.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Free soul,

One su30 carrying 8 bvrs is equal to 4 jf17 carrying 8 bvrs----take off the bvrs---. The weapons load carried by one su30 is possibly equal to 3 what 4 jf17's---the radar on the su30 is massive---the su30 flies with two operators--the technology has taken a leap of million times from 1965 to 2012----.

The computer that would fill up a warehouse---now you have more power in the one you carry around---.

As I have suggested to others---I will recomend a project for you----. You are a pilot and you fly an su30MKI with all the current gizmo---your opponent is flying his JF17---. He says that he will beat the crap out of you any which way---please share your opinion.

Please don't' derail the thread.
Radar advantage is neutralized by AWACS.
Just need to see su30 first with the help of AWACS.
Highest RCS on earth IN SU30.
8 bvr are useless when comparing to 2 BVR capable with our AWACS in Pak territory case, talking for defensive position only, Here is High chance that Pak AWACS will see first, two BVR is enough to destroy 8 bvr capable in defense case only,. I will again say, Just need to see first, Pak have advantage in this scenario.
There is a thing called Tactic and skill.

 

[MastanKhan]

Please don't' derail the thread.
Radar advantage is neutralized by AWACS.
Just need to see su30 first with the help of AWACS.
Highest RCS on earth IN SU30.
8 bvr are useless when comparing to 2 BVR capable with our AWACS in Pak territory case, talking for defensive position only, Here is High chance that Pak AWACS will see first, two BVR is enough to destroy 8 bvr capable in defense case only,. I will again say, Just need to see first, Pak have advantage in this scenario.
There is a thing called Tactic and skill.

Sir,

So iaf flying frontline russian aircraft designed to take on the F15---they don't have tactics---and neither do they have any skills---is that right---and only paf pilots have skills.

 

[Agent Vinod]

So let me get this straight... if Bharati military is China oriented, why is 80% of it on Pakistani borders? Classic case of fact destroying rhetoric.

You are the immediate threat not china. Not a single bullet fired on Indo china border for past 30 years. But we can't neglect them.

 

[The SC]

No need for Blunders. If we induct 126 FC20, India will induct 250 F18s or Typhoon, america has already offered them.
Minimum deterrence policy is correct.
Just do improve relation with neighbor and Focus on economy. Then after this , induct even 5th generation fighter but economy is first.
Better to shake hand with neighbor and avoid war.

Total agreement starting from line 3 of your post. to understand my answer you need to go to post #54

A muslim wielding a sword and shouting AOA stands no chance against a 15 year old with a Kalashnikov.

Welcome to 21st century.

Who told you wielding a sword?
You are very welcome to the 21st century

 

[Donatello]

I think JF-17 not being able to carry 4 BVRs is a serious handicap.

They should've thought it out, that wing tip and inner pylons should be able to carry SD-10s

 

[Mav3rick]

I think JF-17 not being able to carry 4 BVRs is a serious handicap.

They should've thought it out, that wing tip and inner pylons should be able to carry SD-10s

Think of the JF-17 as a baby, we as the parent have the option to mould it in any way we want. With a more powerful engine, tvc, aesa, stealthier design/technology/parts, weapon integrated HMD etc., we have the option to add more weapons too. 4 is probably the minimum BVR missiles that must be carried plus atleast another 4 WVR missiles to be a complete package.

 

[GEMINI]

Please don't' derail the thread.
Radar advantage is neutralized by AWACS.
Just need to see su30 first with the help of AWACS.
Highest RCS on earth IN SU30.
8 bvr are useless when comparing to 2 BVR capable with our AWACS in Pak territory case, talking for defensive position only, Here is High chance that Pak AWACS will see first, two BVR is enough to destroy 8 bvr capable in defense case only,. I will again say, Just need to see first, Pak have advantage in this scenario.
There is a thing called Tactic and skill.

OK, you see them first now what? Do you have a BVR having a larger range than them. If you see them but cannot fire your weapon until well within their range then? It shall come down to ECM now and the plane having more power can have larger more powerful ECM. So what do we do now?

 

[POPS]

Please don't' derail the thread.
Radar advantage is neutralized by AWACS.
Just need to see su30 first with the help of AWACS.
Highest RCS on earth IN SU30.
8 bvr are useless when comparing to 2 BVR capable with our AWACS in Pak territory case, talking for defensive position only, Here is High chance that Pak AWACS will see first, two BVR is enough to destroy 8 bvr capable in defense case only,. I will again say, Just need to see first, Pak have advantage in this scenario.
There is a thing called Tactic and skill.

so only PAF only has AWACS what about Phalcon's which flying almost 45-50 Km inside Indian border can detect entire Pakistani
air space what about MKI's own radar which according to even some Pakistani senior member is twice the size , detecting range & power of anything what PAF has(also known as mini AWACS with detecting range upto 130-180 Kn's) not to mention it carries minimum of 4 bvr's even on a strice mission where as in escort mission it carrier upto 8-10 bvr's not to mention Indian ground radar's & wide range on SAM's now how will you counter that & each MKI carries 2 airmen instead of one ..kindly do elaborate

 

[sancho]

I think JF-17 not being able to carry 4 BVRs is a serious handicap.

They should've thought it out, that wing tip and inner pylons should be able to carry SD-10s

Not sure if this is operational on JF 17 (afaik it is for J10), but it solves the problem in A2A:

 

[SQ8]

Not sure if this is operational on JF 17 (afaik it is for J10), but it solves the problem in A2A:

Not yet.. clearance being the primary issue.

 

[DARKY]

how about fighting 1 against 4?

Having an airplane whose productions and maintennace are all at your disposal. That is the absolute advantage which your enemy does not have!

Su30MKI made-produced-repaired-overhauled in India from Radars to Engine all made in India Itself... Raw material and some small parts imported from Russia since making them is uneconomical... although some of the Raw material is also made in India due to economical reasons and Increasing Aviation Industry... In future the percentage of raw material is also set to increase as the Number of aircraft being manufactured here increases.

 

[Donatello]

JF-17 should have 9 hard points. 7 is too less. Add fuel tanks or pods and you are hardly left with anything.

 

[DARKY]

Please don't' derail the thread.
Radar advantage is neutralized by AWACS.
Just need to see su30 first with the help of AWACS.
Highest RCS on earth IN SU30.
8 bvr are useless when comparing to 2 BVR capable with our AWACS in Pak territory case, talking for defensive position only, Here is High chance that Pak AWACS will see first, two BVR is enough to destroy 8 bvr capable in defense case only,. I will again say, Just need to see first, Pak have advantage in this scenario.
There is a thing called Tactic and skill.

No Radar advantage is not neutralized by an AWACS you still have to track the plane with your radar and guide the BVR using your own X-band radar.
The Bigger payload and power engines of MKI along with more space makes it a formidable EW platform against any plane.
The probability of Kill Increase with the Number of missiles fired so 8 has got much-much more chance to kill than 2.
AWACS cannot do anything here since It doesn't guide the BVR or any missile.
The PAF AWACS would be seen by MKI too which has standoff missiles like K-172/100 and R-37 able to shoot targets as far as 400km at altitude.
Yes you can have more Tactics with MKI due to large range, payload carrying capability, variety in weapon system and buddy Data linking capabilities... IAF pilots sweat out above 250hrs/annum on this bird to improve their skills.

 

[sancho]

JF-17 should have 9 hard points. 7 is too less. Add fuel tanks or pods and you are hardly left with anything.

That's true, but as mentioned, for A2A roles at least such multi pylons can be a solution, because JF 17 could use 4 x BVR and 2 x WVR missiles and still carry up to 3 fuel tanks. In strike role though, the lack of a dedicated pod station and additional hardpoints is an obvious problem.