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China’s Image Problem in India

India Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has come in for criticism during his time in office for being uncommunicative with the media. He might well wish now that he’d stayed that way after a rare sit-down with Indian newspaper editors backfired and he was quoted as warning over China’s growing regional clout.

According to The Times of India, Singh said ‘India had to take adequate precautions but not give up hope of peaceful resolution of issues with China…in reaction to "pinpricks" by Beijing on Jammu and Kashmir and other issues.’

The newspaper also quoted him as saying: ‘China would like to have a foothold in South Asia and we have to reflect on this reality. We have to be aware of this.’

Singh was reportedly incensed by the publication of remarks that were supposedly meant to be off the record. But regardless, they underscored the ongoing tensions between the two nations almost a year after there was fevered speculation inside India and out over whether a border dispute in Arunachal Pradesh might actually spark some kind of military skirmish.


But suspicion of China is by no means confined to the Indian government. According to the most recent Pew Global Attitudes Project, only 34 percent of Indians view China favorably—the second lowest number in Asia after Japan. This compared with 58 percent in Indonesia and 85 percent in Pakistan.

The fact that 85 percent of Pakistanis view China favorably probably says something about why China is viewed with suspicion in India. But why else? I asked a couple of our India-based bloggers for their take on this.

Delhi-based writer Shreyasi Singh told me:

‘I think Indians look at China with a mix of envy, awe and condemnation. China's meteoric rise and its incredible ability to expand infrastructure is grudgingly admired. Indians bristle at being told that we might be as much as 100 years behind China. And, I know several people who say we should temporarily adopt some of China's rigid politics to force economic development through.’

But she said that although there’s a certain admiration over the pace of its neighbour’s economic growth, Indians are also fiercely proud of the more democratic make-up of their country.

‘For many, it's the first retort when discussing China's rise, and many Indians are proud of that critical socio-political difference. There’s also a feeling that while in China the development has been top-down, India is the hotbed for technical innovation, personal ingenuity and entrepreneurial buzz, the combination of which many believe ensures India a more sustained, long-term, deeper progress.’

This point on entrepreneurism is a point she made in a recent blog entry on the issue following an Economist cover story on the rivalry between the two countries. As Shreyasi noted, it’s hard to get away from discussion of the issue at the moment, and Shreyasi’s fellow Indian Decade blogger Rajeev Sharma also took up the issue of tensions between the two in his look at how India is responding to the growth in China’s navy.

So how much of a calculation is India in China’s eyes? I got an interesting take on this from Diplomat writer and UNESCO Peace Chair Madhav Nalapat. Madhav spends a great deal of time travelling between India and China, and I wondered what his sense from meetings there was on how India is viewed by the PLA.

He told me: ‘The military still sees from the prism of the past, and is in favour of continuing the policy of ensuring that the Pakistan Army gets the help it needs to box in India within South Asia. It’s the PLA that’s driving policy towards both India and Pakistan, and which most recently has sought to add two more China-supplied nuclear reactors to Pakistan's stock.’

So how does he recommend the Indian government respond to China, including that controversial nuclear reactor sale?

He said: ‘The gifting of reactors needs to be followed on the Indian side by an immediate upgrading of ties with Taiwan (by permitting higher-level official interaction) as well as activation of the India-Vietnam nuclear agreement. Hanoi needs to be helped by India in its path to nuclear progress, the way China has assisted Islamabad.’

China’s Image Problem in India | China Power

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The ending suggestion by Madhav is interesting.

If China falls to the level of selling nuclear reactors to Pakistan, then India can surely explore the option of intense military and nuclear collaboration with countries in East and South East Asia. And India is already acting on this. It recently agreed on a wide ranging defence relationship with South Korea and Indian PM will soon be visiting Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam to enhance ties even further --

'Look East' policy: PM to visit Vietnam, Japan, Malaysia
 
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Not the Diplomat again. That website is so full of anti-Chinese nonsense that it's comical. Guess what's their reaction to the Manila hostage crisis? The chief editor wrote an article blasting Hong Kong government for issuing a risk alert!

Anyway, upgrading its relation with Taiwan is one of the most provocative and strategically meaningless thing India can do. Chinese sales of nuclear reactors to Pakistan will not doubt come at a cost of China's diplomatic relations with India, but that at least serves some important geo-strategic purposes. What's the strategic purpose of 'permitting higher-level official interaction' with Taiwan?

As for nuclear deal with Vietnam, Vietnam has already signed nuclear deals with Russia and is working on another one with the U.S. How many nuclear reactors does a $80 billion economy need?

Some Indians seem to think East Asia is like South Asia, and India can come to East Asia and make allies like what China did in South Asia. But South Asia (except Pakistan) was not strategically significant for the rest of the world, so essentially there's a vacuum that could be filled by China. East Asia had been in U.S allies system for 60+ years now. Their biggest commercial interests lays with China (China is the biggest trading partner AND biggest export market for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) and their security ties are with the U.S. What major role can India play here? Even Russia only plays a secondary role in East Asia despite having its Far Eastern part right in the region.
 
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Not the Diplomat again. That website is so full of anti-Chinese nonsense that it's comical. Guess what's their reaction to the Manila hostage crisis? The chief editor wrote an article blasting Hong Kong government for issuing a risk alert!

Anyway, upgrading its relation with Taiwan is one of the most provocative and strategically meaningless thing India can do. Chinese sales of nuclear reactors to Pakistan will not doubt come at a cost of China's diplomatic relations with India, but that at least serves some important geo-strategic purposes. What's the strategic purpose of 'permitting higher-level official interaction' with Taiwan?

As for nuclear deal with Vietnam, Vietnam has already signed nuclear deals with Russia and is working on another one with the U.S. How many nuclear reactors does a $80 billion economy need?

Some Indians seem to think East Asia is like South Asia, and India can come to East Asia and make allies like what China did in South Asia. But South Asia (except Pakistan) was not strategically significant for the rest of the world, so essentially there's a vacuum that could be filled by China. East Asia had been in U.S allies system for 60+ years now. Their biggest commercial interests lays with China (China is the biggest trading partner AND biggest export market for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) and their security ties are with the U.S. What major role can India play here? Even Russia only plays a secondary role in East Asia despite having its Far Eastern part right in the region.

India is the world's anti-China keyboard warrior. Other than writing anti-China articles, there is not much India can do to harm China.
One day China will get mad and not tolerate Indian bullying.
 
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Not the Diplomat again. That website is so full of anti-Chinese nonsense that it's comical. Guess what's their reaction to the Manila hostage crisis? The chief editor wrote an article blasting Hong Kong government for issuing a risk alert!

Anyway, upgrading its relation with Taiwan is one of the most provocative and strategically meaningless thing India can do. Chinese sales of nuclear reactors to Pakistan will not doubt come at a cost of China's diplomatic relations with India, but that at least serves some important geo-strategic purposes. What's the strategic purpose of 'permitting higher-level official interaction' with Taiwan?

As for nuclear deal with Vietnam, Vietnam has already signed nuclear deals with Russia and is working on another one with the U.S. How many nuclear reactors does a $80 billion economy need?

Some Indians seem to think East Asia is like South Asia, and India can come to East Asia and make allies like what China did in South Asia. But South Asia (except Pakistan) was not strategically significant for the rest of the world, so essentially there's a vacuum that could be filled by China. East Asia had been in U.S allies system for 60+ years now. Their biggest commercial interests lays with China (China is the biggest trading partner AND biggest export market for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) and their security ties are with the U.S. What major role can India play here? Even Russia only plays a secondary role in East Asia despite having its Far Eastern part right in the region.

Excellent.

I haven't anything to add. Really one of the best posts I've read here.
 
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Not the Diplomat again. That website is so full of anti-Chinese nonsense that it's comical. Guess what's their reaction to the Manila hostage crisis? The chief editor wrote an article blasting Hong Kong government for issuing a risk alert!

Anyway, upgrading its relation with Taiwan is one of the most provocative and strategically meaningless thing India can do. Chinese sales of nuclear reactors to Pakistan will not doubt come at a cost of China's diplomatic relations with India, but that at least serves some important geo-strategic purposes. What's the strategic purpose of 'permitting higher-level official interaction' with Taiwan?

As for nuclear deal with Vietnam, Vietnam has already signed nuclear deals with Russia and is working on another one with the U.S. How many nuclear reactors does a $80 billion economy need?

Some Indians seem to think East Asia is like South Asia, and India can come to East Asia and make allies like what China did in South Asia. But South Asia (except Pakistan) was not strategically significant for the rest of the world, so essentially there's a vacuum that could be filled by China. East Asia had been in U.S allies system for 60+ years now. Their biggest commercial interests lays with China (China is the biggest trading partner AND biggest export market for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) and their security ties are with the U.S. What major role can India play here? Even Russia only plays a secondary role in East Asia despite having its Far Eastern part right in the region.

very well said! :tup::tup:

also i found it's funny many indians brag abt india's technical innovation, personal ingenuity and entrepreneurial buzz as their biggest advantage compare to china. based on what they have reached that conclusion? i dont know others but being a techie myself i never used one single thing that made in india -- this is not i intentionally avoiding buying indian stuff -- i just cannot find them available anywhere.
oh, yes, i know IRSO is good.
 
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It is certainly true that China has an image problem in India. With the Indian media and politicians regularly doing somersaults and backflips over the smallest of issues. it necessarily creates a mistrust of China in India.
 
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Its funny to see Chinese think they know foreign policy of their state, sorry I mean the party's. It's as if they have a say in it. hahaha. No you don't. So stop projecting China as an innocent super power who is just gifting the other countries out of good of their heart and India as an evil that is stopping them. If not to restrict India, China wouldn't care about Pakistan and Sri lanka. They are just investing to secure the trade route in case of war against India. Please come back to refute my point when you have a say in your state policies.
 
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Its funny to see Chinese think they know foreign policy of their state, sorry I mean the party's. It's as if they have a say in it. hahaha. No you don't. So stop projecting China as an innocent super power who is just gifting the other countries out of good of their heart and India as an evil that is stopping them. If not to restrict India, China wouldn't care about Pakistan and Sri lanka. They are just investing to secure the trade route in case of war against India. Please come back to refute my point when you have a say in your state policies.


Hey Indian, this thread is about China’s Image Problem in India as a country, not your personal hating arena against the Chinese people.:tdown:

Will you please stop bitching like a woman if you hate the Chinese so much, its getting annoying especially on a defence forum, do something about it like a man instead, may i suggest a "starving strike"? remember thats how you got your independence from the british, and you guys are good at it.:yahoo:
May i remind you with your kind of attitude and behavior, people will easily related you with those online...looking for attentions.:hang2:
 
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Some Indians seem to think East Asia is like South Asia, and India can come to East Asia and make allies like what China did in South Asia. But South Asia (except Pakistan) was not strategically significant for the rest of the world, so essentially there's a vacuum that could be filled by China. East Asia had been in U.S allies system for 60+ years now. Their biggest commercial interests lays with China (China is the biggest trading partner AND biggest export market for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan) and their security ties are with the U.S. What major role can India play here? Even Russia only plays a secondary role in East Asia despite having its Far Eastern part right in the region.

Its true the East-Asian Strategic vacuum is already occupied by USA,Russia,China & Vietnam So i don't expect much of a role for India to play, but those nations will try to get all the help they are offered from wherever possible.
I don't expect some strategic military ties but rather something like building an airforce academy in Laos, Training Vietnamese navy personnel etc.

Also its more to do with the fact that those nations are aware India lacks the political will to act and rather merely condemn incidents etc.Once India gets UN security council permanent seat India's value will change.

My Govt never makes tit for tat decisions especially when relating to ties with countries as important as China,we just wait for the right time and opportunity to throw a fire-cracker.
 
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very well said! :tup::tup:

also i found it's funny many indians brag abt india's technical innovation, personal ingenuity and entrepreneurial buzz as their biggest advantage compare to china. based on what they have reached that conclusion? i dont know others but being a techie myself i never used one single thing that made in india -- this is not i intentionally avoiding buying indian stuff -- i just cannot find them available anywhere.
oh, yes, i know IRSO is good.

Its a local stereotype just like Chinese have theirs about India.

Once more Chinese products(branded quality ones) are available in the Indian market,the image is sure to change.
 
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