China’s Fight For Supremacy And India’s Subtle Rise – Analysis

[ares]

East Asia is of course the best example. South Korea, Taiwan, etc. Even Singapore and Hong Kong are classified as advanced economies, yet today neither one is a full democracy.

In Hong Kong, I can't vote for my top leaders, we don't have universal suffrage. Top leaders are appointed by Beijing. Yet my living standards and average income are 30 times higher than that of India.

Hong Kong has the 2nd highest life expectancy in the world, and an HDI ranking that is higher than Britain, France, UK, Finland, etc. We were classified as an "advanced economy" a long time ago.

Now tell me, who here would give that up, in order to live in the shining democracy that is India? Personally I would prefer to keep my first-world living standards, rather than cast a vote for Italian Sonia.

Hongkong developed under British rule(democracy with a constitutional monarch) and not Chinese..it was already a developed city, when it was handed over to China.

And How are South Korea and Taiwan not democracies?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

In a democracy, it only take one visionary leader to make a difference if he is capable of leading the country. I believe Ron Paul has the right ideas but I'm not sure if he has the leadership ability.

you assume that a country with 50% voter turnout because the other 50% knows the voting process is a joke, is a democracy.

there are no major differences between the Republicans and Democrats. nothing short of shock therapy will save the US, and whether it can is doubtful. if one visionary leader can change things, then it is not a democracy. if it is a democracy, then momentum will stay in. The US is not a democracy, but an oligarchy. The president cannot change the direction of the state anymore.

 

[true_indian]

It seem Chinese are fed from early age that they are some how superior because of the IQ. $hit, I can't stop laughing. But anyways, it seems they look down on others who couldn't live up to their IQ.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Hongkong developed under British rule(democracy with a constitutional monarch) and not Chinese..it was already a developed city, when it was handed over to China.

And How are South Korea and Taiwan not democracies?

Your question was which countries developed under authoritarian rule, and then later became democracies after they achieved the status of a "developed" country.

How do you think the European countries developed? When were blacks given the vote in America, before or after America became a superpower?

(Hint: Blacks were only given the vote in America, AFTER they became a superpower).

In East Asia the same thing happened, they only became democracies after they reached developed status. And Hong Kong and Singapore are still today not classified as full democracies, despite being developed economies.

 

[Oy.vey]

India on the other hand is not a feared partner but a well accepted one. First of all, India is a more reliable partner as it accepts international rules of politics and communication.

Compared to China, there is also in general less emphasis on the history of the country which means the Indians do not see themselves as victims and do not blame others for historic injustices.

India is a more reliable partner as it accepts international rules of politics and communication.

Reads more like "we want India to be our new favourite stooge, do as we say, not as we do."
Indians might not like China, that's understandable, but do you hate them so much to summit yourselves to another? It's a bit like shooting yourself in the foot to get back at your enemy. After all it wasn't China who imposed sanctions, give billions to Pakistan in aid and weapons every year, ban on Uranium sales(until recently). Japan has thrown themselves under the bus many times for the west, they'll expect no less from their Indian brothers.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Hongkong developed under British rule(democracy with a constitutional monarch) and not Chinese..it was already a developed city, when it was handed over to China.

And How are South Korea and Taiwan not democracies?

South Korea from 1950-1992 was a military dictatorship. Roh Tae Woo was the last general who led South Korea. He was later sentenced to death. To date, there has been zero South Korean presidents who were not: exiled, assassinated, killed, or kidnapped.

Taiwan was a military dictatorship from 1912-1988 under Chiang Kai Shek and his son Chiang Ching Kuo.

 

[ares]

Name 1 non-white democratic country that was developed while they were a democracy.

Why?? don't you know about your own neighbors..

Japan
SouthKorea

 

[true_indian]

Hongkong developed under British rule(democracy with a constitutional monarch) and not Chinese..it was already a developed city, when it was handed over to China.

And How are South Korea and Taiwan not democracies?

This is a trick that 'CD' always play. When it is related to democracy or human rights, he quickly refer to Hong Kong as if entire China is Hong Kong. He assumes us low IQ people wouldn't know the difference.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Why?? don't you know about your own neighbors..

Japan
SouthKorea

I answered your question already.

Japan was a 1 party LDP led state from 1945-2009 when the LDP lost to the DPJ.

 

[Oy.vey]

Hongkong developed under British rule(democracy with a constitutional monarch) and not Chinese..it was already a developed city, when it was handed over to China.

Hong Kong was never a democracy. HK under the British were never allowed to elect their own head of state. In fact, Hong Kong enjoys more democratic rights under China than they did under Britain.

But it also begs the question, HK/Singapore are two completely different systems, both were former British colonies, just like India. Yet India did not develop like them. So is it really democracy?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

After the allies won WW2, America was already a superpower. That was in 1945.

Two decades later, in 1965, they finally let Black people have the vote... and thus became a full democracy.

Voting Rights Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FIRST, they became a developed country, and then a superpower. Then afterwards (two decades later in fact), they granted voting rights to everyone.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Hong Kong was never a democracy. HK under the British were never allowed to elect their own head of state. In fact, Hong Kong enjoys more democratic rights under China than they did under Britain.

But it also begs the question, HK/Singapore are two completely different systems, both were former British colonies, just like India. Yet India did not develop like them. So is it really democracy?

Good analysis!

Hong Kong, Singapore, India.

All British system. All have English as one of the official languages. All inherited British infrastructure, laws and legal codes.

So why is India closer to that other British colony of Zimbabwe, and why are Hong Kong and Singapore closer to Britain?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Hong Kong was never a democracy. HK under the British were never allowed to elect their own head of state. In fact, Hong Kong enjoys more democratic rights under China than they did under Britain.

Absolutely right.

But it also begs the question, HK/Singapore are two completely different systems, both were former British colonies, just like India. Yet India did not develop like them. So is it really democracy?

According to Indians, British rule was terrible. Yet when they talk about HK and Singapore, suddenly the British are amazing!

Bottom line: India was colonized by the British for 200 years. Yet it is still has more poor than Africa, while HK and Singapore are classed as first-world cities.

 

[true_indian]

Good analysis!

Hong Kong, Singapore, India.

All British system. All have English as one of the official languages. All inherited British infrastructure, laws and legal codes.

So why is India closer to that other British colony of Zimbabwe, and why are Hong Kong and Singapore closer to Britain?

Oh because you have superior IQ right? Hehe..

But to be fair, you are comparing a city state to a country with billion population. China, for example until last decade had even lesser per capita income than us now. Don't overestimate your achievements.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So why is India closer to that other British colony of Zimbabwe, and why are Hong Kong and Singapore closer to Britain?

Here is a list of former British colonies:

Sudan
Nigeria
Zimbabwe
Uganda
Sierra Leone

Burma
Yemen
Iraq
Palestine
Afghanistan

Then of course they also exterminated the Native Americans and the Aboriginal Australians, and replaced them with white people. Which was arguably the worst result of all.

The only two non-white British colonies to have reached first-world status, are Hong Kong and Singapore. Both have a majority Chinese population.