China, Russia to ‘veto any US move at UN to slap sanctions on Pakistan’

[ghauri05]

You will not know what hit you.

Thank you for enormously ambiguous reply....wouldn't have helped my knowledge otherwise

 

[IceCold]

“On the other hand, Pakistan knows the U.S. is the most important factor to bring stability in Afghanistan…. It is imperative that they will cooperate. They cannot afford discontinuing engagement.”

This is BS. US has not been an important factor in stabilising the region in fact it has been the single biggest factor in destabilising the whole region. Not just this region but wherever they went which includes the whole of middle east.

 

[Rollno21]

How does it look bad for my nation?

India is 4 times larger country compared by size, has 1 Billion more people, Military is more than double compared to Pakistan and all you have to show for it is East Pakistan which was 2000Km away from the main land and surrounded on all sides by India and it was in the middle of a civil war and where you used appox 150K Mukti Bahinis to do cross-border terrorism for almost 6 months prior to invading with another 100K troops and surprise surprise you used Punjabis and Gorkhas against total East-Pakistan troops strength of 40K which was further depleted by defecting Bengali troops.

So yes Pakistan lost that war, but it doesn't reflect highly for your nation either. If your nation was as strong you think you would have taken AJK and GB from us by now.
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Not just BD which is 1000 miles away .if you look closely there are closer to home as well.and more over how does it matter remember we can't fight ,must be hard losing to Mukti Bahinis.only achivement of the PA is snaching the GB from the raja,but we will thank Pakistan for Kashmir ,if Pakistan had not attached Kashmir we had no chance of getting Kashmir

care to debrief me on our 70 years history, maybe you know something I dont know
here I tell you what I know.
- Pakistan took GB and Kashmir and still holding it after 70 years.
- Pakistan almost choked you in Kargil and you couldnt do anything about it...It was an attack on India!!
- Yeah i give one thing, you can take credit of killings and rapes in BD and incite communal violance and then take credit for DB.
but all in all if it was any other country beside Bharat the great it would have wiped out tiny Pakistan.



they are always looking for someone to fight on their behalf, first it was bangalis and now Afghans, couldnt find more than 1500 in Baluchistan though

Bro don't have time just read my above post,part of the post answers your post

Yes, and we just Delete the chapter of KAshmir from The world's history ? ?

The blocking of Un observers and blocking the internet there is not at all very good move and it does show the signs of state-terrorism

Wow what an achievement for a nation that claims can fight .remember you can fight and we can't,
Again wow if Kashmir was not deleted then no one wants to touch it either ,just as Balochistan at UN.
I heard pakistans name can be taken
up at UN for sponsorship of terrorists ,is it the same UN you are talking about

 

[Secur]

Do you realize that if it ever came to that, Americans can simply decide to cut their losses, pack up and leave, and that it would leave the whole Af-Pak region in a much bigger mess than it is now? And who do you think will fill that void?

As per your own words, US control over Afghanistan has waned to such an extent that it doesn't make much difference to US, which sits far away from the conflict zone, even if it abandons Afghanistan altogether, no?

True. It might leave Afghanistan in a mess, though I really doubt that it will be bigger than what it is in now. If the Taliban take control of Kabul, form the Govt like before and trust me they have the public support/resources to do so (even the credible media sources and international think tanks realize that Taliban insurgency is indigenous and popular among the population, at least in Pashtun dominated areas), that country will experience significant stability and cohesion, since there be one less significant militia or faction fighting against the state, having become state itself. Whatever you might think of them (and I personally don't like them, at all), they might be just what Afghanistan needs. See, the Afghans (and I don't think that Indians understand them) don't want to better themselves, they are exactly where they want to be. They have kept fighting amongst themselves for the last two hundred years and they will continue to do so for two hundred more. They continue until there's a foreign invader, at which point they start fighting with them too. And then again, its their fellow countrymen when the invaders get tired and leave. Its a cycle very visible to those, who have studied the history of that country. They want to live like this and they are living like this. They don't care about the state, stability, democracy, modern world, science and technology and what have you, thats where the world is mistaken thinking the Afghans care about and need this. And before you start to point out my bias against Afghans, imagine an Afghanistan where the Afghans aren't fighting amongst themselves (it is well within their power!), get their act together and there's something like a state in those areas, where does that leave us? US, India, Pakistan, Russia and whoever. Thats right, out of the picture. Every single foreign player (and their influence) in that country will be booted out, as soon as the Afghans clear their mess and patch things up with their fellow countrymen.

Exactly, the militant groups control a significant portion of the country and the Central Govt (and by extension - the ISAF and US) is left to watch them in helplessness as it is unable to implement its writ. Contrary to what the outsiders believe, the Afghan Govt in its present form is unnatural and thus extremely reliant on foreign aid for its day to day functioning. It is unsustainable in the long term. But then again, why do you think the Americans haven't left yet?

 

[salarsikander]

just as Balochistan at UN.
I heard pakistans name can be taken

Sir. We have an actual office in Baluchistan of UN with all its observers there. Unlike in Kashmir where observers are barred from entering and curfew is placed every other day. No such thing as that in Baluchistan.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Yet to see any such Game. Still waiting for the Body. I remember seeing body of Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, but somehow failed to see OBl's, Just back in 2002. Pk Was Threatened by A single call from US that it (PK) will be bombed to back to stone age if it not supported them (US) and yet here we are, US literally spent trillion dollar on this war, chasing the Ghost of OBL, which was found in (allegedly) Next to prestigious Military Academy and it does nothing !!! not even a single Sanction ??? I find this argument totally absurd.

Conspiracy theories! I have absolutely no tolerance for nonsense like this.

It is another thing if the Americans couldn't sanction you even after finding OBL in your own den after denying his existence for a decade. Call it their leaders' naivety or your own brilliant skill of lying through your teeth, it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan was caught with their hands in the cookie jar - more than once.

Anyway, it looks like there is a new Sheriff (both literally and figuratively) in town, simply based on the news coming from there. Good luck dealing with him.

As far as I see it, the only compulsion for the US to turn their blind eye on Pakistan's shenanigans, was their supply chain limitation in Afghanistan. You can very well make the US leave Afghanistan. But the blowback of that will make the current situation, look like the proverbial walk-in-the-park. I actually think that both China and Russia must be praying that the US continues to stay in Afghanistan and do their dirty work. The last thing Russia or China will want is to send their own troops to Afghanistan, lol.

Now try doing that without any US support or their Coalition Support Funds to reimburse your costs!

You understand wrong then I must say !
Please read this :
http://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-map-afghanistan-2017-3

Now as I understand from this we have good terms big elephants in room, so I could care less of other insignificant players.

Joint operation With real stakeholders of Afghanistan will wipe it clean- off

Lol, like I said you are oversimplifying the situation. It is far easier to be a saboteur, sending in proxies & sheltering proxies, in a helpless neighboring country than to build that country - especially when there are so many conflicting forces at play for their own self interests.

All I can say is we are going to see interesting times ahead when the US eventually leaves.

 

[salarsikander]

Conspiracy theories! I have absolutely no tolerance for nonsense like this.

It is another thing if the Americans couldn't sanction you even after finding OBL in your own den after denying his existence for a decade. Call it their leaders' naivety or your own brilliant skill of lying through your teeth, it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan was caught with their hands in the cookie jar - more than once.

Anyway, it looks like there is a new Sheriff (both literally and figuratively) in town, simply based on the news coming from there. Good luck dealing with him.

As far as I see it, the only compulsion for the US to turn their blind eye on Pakistan's shenanigans, was their supply chain limitation in Afghanistan. You can very well make the US leave Afghanistan. But the blowback of that will make the current situation, look like the proverbial walk-in-the-park. I actually think that both China and Russia must be praying that the US continues to stay in Afghanistan and do their dirty work. The last thing Russia or China will want is to send their own troops to Afghanistan, lol.

Now try doing that without any US support or their Coalition Support Funds to reimburse your costs!



Lol, like I said you are oversimplifying the situation. It is far easier to be a saboteur, sending in proxies & sheltering proxies, in a helpless neighboring country than to build that country - especially when there are so many conflicting forces at play for their own self interests.

All I can say is we are going to see interesting times ahead when the US eventually leaves.

When it comes to pakistan whether its an Indian or NRI, they have this inborn hatred against i.,
So naturally they will stop at nothing to deny the Pakistan of any opportunity to smear it.
Glad that this is now how it works in the world. You can have mental masturbuation as much as you like, it will not change a bit of reality at ground. The CPEC and Russian involvement into it is turning the tables, who h is making the old sheriff and Indians ho crazy and lose thier sleep.
As for CSF. Lol. Check how we did that back in 90s.

All I can say is we are going to see interesting times ahead when the US eventually leaves

certainly, you will surely see an increased attack on Indian embasses and their interests, the list will kept on growing.

The last thing Russia or China will want is to send their own troops to Afghanistan, lo

And you think Pakistan will send its troop ?

Haqqani and Afghan Taliban are there for a reason and they control large parts of Afghanistan, even during NATO occupation. Now imagine when yanks are gone what will happen to control ?
Ajit dovals worst nightmare will come to life

it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan was caught with their hands in the cookie jar - more than once.

Lol. My gullible confused indian, it doesn't change a bit of reality at ground mlike I said.

Whathad to be done, was supposed to be done, which was never done.
So what does make of all situation. You can keep tending your wounds, bit the reality reality is there which has made its difference. Rest is all your typical whining who h serves no purpose