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China-Russia-Iran alliance

Chinese people will be off to Mars come 100 years from now. You Viets can have your puny little Paracel islands by then. :china:
Just don't waste time wt any kinds of alliances, your Investors only can flee to VN. Just like only Cnese fled to VN were safe during Mongol invasion . :cool:
Even god or allah can’t help China in the face of Vietnam. What is Putin going to do?
Putin said clearly already during CN-US trade war:lol:

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When the tigers fight in the valley, the clever monkey sits and watches how it ends. But everything is changing, ”said Vladimir Putin.
On the subject: Who will win and lose the US and Chinese trade war
According to the Chinese parable, which was popular during the cold war of the USSR and the USA, the monkey did not intervene in the tiger and lion fight, and after they lost their strength, she killed both.

  • Recall that in May, the United States raised duties on goods from China from 10% to 25%. In addition, US President Donald Trump ordered in the near future to increase duties on all remaining Chinese imports in the amount of $ 300 billion.
  • In response to this, China introduced $ 1 billion in import duties on US goods from 60 in June.


Even god or allah can’t help China in the face of Vietnam. What is Putin going to do?
Putin said clearly already during CN-US trade war:lol:

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When the tigers fight in the valley, the clever monkey sits and watches how it ends. But everything is changing, ”said Vladimir Putin.
On the subject: Who will win and lose the US and Chinese trade war
According to the Chinese parable, which was popular during the cold war of the USSR and the USA, the monkey did not intervene in the tiger and lion fight, and after they lost their strength, she killed both.

  • Recall that in May, the United States raised duties on goods from China from 10% to 25%. In addition, US President Donald Trump ordered in the near future to increase duties on all remaining Chinese imports in the amount of $ 300 billion.
  • In response to this, China introduced $ 1 billion in import duties on US goods from 60 in June.


 
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Russian mainland spans 8,000+ km. Chinese mainland spans 4,000+ km. Iranian mainland spans 2,000+ km. We are looking at a triple alliance that is way bigger than Germany Italy Japan in the 1930s.
 
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I don't think so. It can only happen if China etblishes good relations with these said countries they might look the other way but it is unlikely here. Due to CCP being feared for being another potential mongol empire scare on history. The Chinese are extremely heavy handed hence China could commit alot crimes and The reason for most joining would be that China is unpredictable and they resemble the mongol empire and once they get out China they will commit unheard of atrocities. China is unfortunately not a good alternative to the US.. They are heavy handed not good for dealing with the world. An Iran allaince will only weaken China. It should stay away from that and instead form a much stronger allaince that is the only way but Russia is not as strong as the soviet era and the bulk of this alliance will come from China and Russia might not even join this allaince as they see themselves being part of Europe.

But China could correct it's error and re-ethblish stronger alliances and also force majority to be neutral by giving them re-assurance and what not. So that they don't get mixed up in it and sit out. China should avoid getting hitler zoned he became an enemy to humanity overnight... If you get hitler-zoned your chances diminish significiantly.

There is always time to redo your error to strengthen your own case

That is an incorrect assessment and basically a lot of projection of unfounded fears, which is what a lot of the conversation about China is about. China is not the Mongol empire. The Mongols were a nomadic tribe that could only expand through warfare and looting of established civilizations. China is an ancient civilization and its power lies in its commercial prowess.

It is understandable that some may think that because China is authoritarian or can be politically repressive at home, that this will translate into bewildering oppression abroad. Some of this lies with the Chinese incapability, both government level and people level, in communicating with the outside world and controlling the narrative, something that the Chinese are absolutely awful in. However, one only has to examine the momentum and circumstances that each empire would require in order to expand, gain or maintain power. China is a massive commercial empire with a massive population, in order to expand its power, it would need a stable environment in order to foster economic development. As long as China has this, then the sheer size of its population and economy will guarantee its dominance. Therefore, it runs counter productive to Chinese interests to destabilize other regions and commit atrocities against the locals which would only guarantee unnecessary blowback. Not to mention that historically, China has absolutely no desire to impose its rule on foreign countries nor displayed any messianic campaigns like those of Christian and Islamic nations.

The US and its main ally in the region, Israel, however operate on a different set of rules. In order to maintain dominance in the region, it has to foment instability and chaos and escalate conflicts. Otherwise, it will lose. Israel has a small population, if the other populous states in the region reach critical stages of development, that is an end game for Israeli dominance. The same for the US, it has a far smaller population than China, therefore, in order to maintain dominance, it has to provoke chaos and conflict in order to keep China's development at bay so it doesn't reach the critical mass required to surpass the US. Therefore, the CIA and Mossad are constantly instigating false flag attacks and narratives in order to maintain a sense of chaos and promote destabilization.

With all that said, it is only natural that the major powers that are independent of US control like China, Russia and Iran cooperate as they are all targeted by the US govt. However, China understands that the Middle East is a very complex region with many sensitive political rivalries. China has been able to maintain good relations with all parties in the region and that is absolutely in its interest to do so. That is why right after the China Iran accord, Wang Yi went directly to the KSA and Turkey, the other regional power centers, in order to make sure there is no misunderstanding that this accord translates to China "taking a side" in their regional conflicts and instead China would desire to play a stabilizing role in the region, one that would work to tamper down conflicts as that would be most conducive to China's long term goals.
 
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There will be a strong partnership between the three, particularly between China and Russia, but no formal alliance. None of the three wants to create enmity with the rivals of the other partners of which they have good relations.

My position was always neutral on china except this recent Iran deal have changed my neutrality position but since you have explained this I have even retreated my previous comments and editted them out. I stand corrected and it is true Wang Yi did visit all these countries to re-assure things. It is key to have balanced out things and not give leverage to the only blacklisted gov't in the UN
 
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My position was always neutral on china except this recent Iran deal have changed my neutrality position but since you have explained this I have even retreated my previous comments and editted them out. I stand corrected and it is true Wang Yi did visit all these countries to re-assure things. It is key to have balanced out things and not give leverage to the only blacklisted gov't in the whole world

There is a reason why Wang Yi went directly to the KSA and Turkey right after. The Middle East is a huge potential minefield as we all know. China doesn't need Turkey and the Gulf States allied against it, but it will use its influence in all quarters to stabilize the region and promote economic development and peaceful resolution of conflicts so its influence and economic interests will grow exponentially.

BTW, this is probably the most accurate video about the situation that I've come across.

 
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Turkey is not run by a religious government. It is a democracy. Iran is the one you are referring to they are run by Mullahs.

Turkey has a long future it has strong allies in the region. Plus it has strong military its going nowhere.
Turkey Stronk!
Erdogan is the Turkish version of Mullah.
He will push his own country into the next abyss.
 
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Erdogan is the Turkish version of Mullah.
He will push his own country into the next abyss.

Meh. Erdogan is a freaking hero. Anyone who wants to chellenge should come forward. We saw what happened in Libya to a large coalition united with Haftar.. The same with Assad or Pashinyan. I love these who use that word abyss the question is by whom? Turkey has rich history it does not act in ways to please anyone Only mutual understanding is the common trade
 
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Meh. Erdogan is a freaking hero. Anyone who wants to chellenge should come forward. We saw what happened in Libya to a large coalition united with Haftar.. The same with Assad or Pashinyan. I love these who use that word abyss the question is by whom?

One man's hero is another man's terrorist.
 
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One man's hero is another man's terrorist.

Erdogan is not a terrorist. I’d describe him as Turkey’s first post republic Neo Ottoman pseudo sultan. His moves are best described as shifting Turkey away from a subservient position seeking inclusion into the west towards an independent sphere of influence, in many ways a nostalgic yearning for the lost influence of the Ottoman Empire.

I think you need to read up on Middle Eastern history, it is a very complex and diverse region with many competing forces.
 
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Hatred is a very bad adviser. If just hatred then you should add venezuela and congo. Or Vietnam because we hate Chinese the most.
No offense. Iran or Turkey have no future. Those countries are run by religious nuts.
lol turky have strong millitary they cant make one bullet themself without help on eu and germany and in one small war they most eat each other bic they are have no resurce right now we are making our great oldest impire in west asia and no one can stop us we are not only releigious we are patriot under cover of religious and go read some history iran is oldest and greatest empire in the world and its time to rise
 
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