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China rolls out AWACS aircrafts for Pakistan Air Force

3 Phalcons are enough to cover whole of india, i heard this on some tv channel. If ZDK 03 range is 700 km, then Phalcons range must be alteast 1000 km. Which is better ? ZDK 03 or Phalcon ?

I also heard India is "indigenously" developing death star which has a laser beam and can shot down anything that appears from Pakistan air space and that thing has a range of 1,000,000 KM.
 
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I'm translating some info from a series of forum posts by a well-respected poster (fr6, who works in the airborne electronics industry) on the most reliable of Chinese aerospace forums (9ifly). He posted these bits and pieces of information early this year. All of them were supposed to be unclassified materials available in publicly circulated academic journals.

1) ZDK-03 began its life in early 2000s as Project 021. It's one of many AWACS development programs China undertook after the failed PHACLON deal with Israel. Unlike the KJ-2000 project which depends on the development of a new Chinese AESA radar, Project 021 took the safer route, aimed at perfecting mature technology existing in China. It was designed to satisfy PLA's combat needs in any contingency over Taiwan. A prototype was produced, which was the white plane whose photos we saw on the internet.

2) After the success of KJ-2000, Project 021 saw continued development as an potential export model. Although employing older technologies It's a full-fledged AWACS rather than AEWs Western countries are exporting.

For a period of time, Project 021 was nicknamed 'Persian Eye' by engineers working on it, which is of course quite telling.

The 021 prototype was flied to Pakistan almost ten times during 2006. ZDK-03, the version sold to Pakistan, is an extensive redevelopment of the original Project 021 with newer designs and technologies.

3) Radar hasn't seen much change from the original one on Project 021 as developing a brand new radar takes a long time. The radar design in question is referred to as a 'Chinese version' of a well-known American radar. It uses both mechanical scanning (for horizontal) and electronic scanning (for vertical). The poster claimed it has both pros and cons comparing to the radar onboard of 'one certain Nordic AEW', and may in fact be preferable for AWACS use.

4) Communication system. In order to make sure ZDK-03 can talk to both Western and Chinese planes in PAF, the communication systems on ZDK-03 uses a number of off the shelf Western components integrated by Chinese engineers with Chinese frontends and software.

5) A comprehensive ECM system was designed but it's unclear whether it made into the final version.

6) Command and control system. The poster won't say much for understandable reasons, but did mention enclosure and support for onboard computer systems make extensive use of carbon fibers developed for a ongoing helicopter project to reduce weight.

7) Platform. Uses WJ6C turboprop engines and JL-4 composite propellers. The poster claimed the platform has better endurance than the 'one certain Nordic AEW' sold to Pakistan and flies at a higher altitude as well.

That's pretty what I can gather from that thread. As my background is in a rather different field I'm not sure if I've got everything translated correctly. I think the source is a very credible one as he posted these information early this year and everything he said matches the recently revealed photo of ZDK-03.



Thank you. Chinese sources confirm that the radar is not an AESA but a conventional type.
 
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I also heard India is "indigenously" developing death star which has a laser beam and can shot down anything that appears from Pakistan air space and that thing has a range of 1,000,000 KM.

lol, thanks for the good laugh.
 
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Thank you. Chinese sources confirm that the radar is not an AESA but a conventional type.

The world AESA.. stands for Active Electronically steered Array.

The radar used a mechanical rotodome to move the scanning beam around in the horizontal. In the vertical scanning mode.. electronic steering is employed.
So while it is not a pure AESA.. it is a hybrid.. of mechanical and electronic steering.
Whether it is passive or active is yet to be ascertained.
 
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The world AESA.. stands for Active Electronically steered Array.

The radar used a mechanical rotodome to move the scanning beam around in the horizontal. In the vertical scanning mode.. electronic steering is employed.
So while it is not a pure AESA.. it is a hybrid.. of mechanical and electronic steering.
Whether it is passive or active is yet to be ascertained.

PAF will never divulge the 'performance parameters' of the ZDK-03 - this is a 'specific type' for the PAF only. AESA or not - its for the PAF to know and us to find out - dont be surprised if it is.......:cheers:
 
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PAF will never divulge the 'performance parameters' of the ZDK-03 - this is a 'specific type' for the PAF only. AESA or not - its for the PAF to know and us to find out - dont be surprised if it is.......:cheers:

Then it wont be the first time we have underrated a system bought by the PAF and it has come back and hit us in the face.
 
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PAF will never divulge the 'performance parameters' of the ZDK-03 - this is a 'specific type' for the PAF only. AESA or not - its for the PAF to know and us to find out - dont be surprised if it is.......:cheers:

Yes but the Chinese source has revealed that the Radar is not AESA but a traditional one. If anyone would know, the Chinese would because they're the ones who made it!

So you can continue to believe that this is all "top secret" and we can never know. The Chinese source says otherwise.
 
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The world AESA.. stands for Active Electronically steered Array.

The radar used a mechanical rotodome to move the scanning beam around in the horizontal. In the vertical scanning mode.. electronic steering is employed.
So while it is not a pure AESA.. it is a hybrid.. of mechanical and electronic steering.
Whether it is passive or active is yet to be ascertained.

This is what the chinese sources say:

ZDK-03 is an export AWACS system being developed for the Pakistani Air Force. This project was initiated in the early 2000. A prototype (serial # T0518/Project 021) based on Y-8 Category II Platform was first discovered at CFTE in early 2006. Unlike KJ-200, this variant carries a tranditional rotodome above its fuselage, with a mechanically rotating antenna inside. Therefore the Y-8 AWACS was speculated to be developed for the export market only as it appears less advanced than KJ-200 which features a fixed AESA radar. However this design does provide a true 360° coverage. The AEW radar may be the product of the 38th Institute/CETC, but no details are available. The aircraft also features a solid nose with MAWS sensors on both sides, as well as two small vertial tail stablizers. The Y-8 AWACS protoype was promoted to Pakistani AF in 2006. After some negotiations a much improved design was developed based on PAF's specifications. The variant is now dubbed ZDK-03 and is based on the new Y-8 Category III Platform featuring 6-blade propellers. It was reported in early 2009 that a total of 4 has been ordered by PAF in a $278m deal. The first ZDK-03 rolled out in November 2010 at SAC, with the delivery to be scheduled by the end of 2010. ZDK-03 is expected to serve as an airborne command & control center for the JF-17 fighter fleet currently in service with PAF.


See the boldened section? MECHANICALLY ROTATING conventional radar. Since this is an AWAC, of course the radar is going to rotate horizontally 360 degrees, but it is not an AESA but a traditional pulse doppler.
 
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Could be coz data available publicly say it that ways.It might be that PAF wants to have surprise factor in the radar type.
I think PAF people know better what to select and what not to having all the option open u can be much sure abt PAF acquisition's.
 
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This is what the chinese sources say:




See the boldened section? MECHANICALLY ROTATING conventional radar. Since this is an AWAC, of course the radar is going to rotate horizontally 360 degrees, but it is not an AESA but a traditional pulse doppler.

Go back a few pages and see my posts regarding this..
IT is a hybrid..
mechanical + electronic.
Your own post states electronic steering in the vertical azimuth.
Which means the Chinese came up with a unique solution..
An ESA beam that is steered around its horizontal axis mechanically.
 
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I also heard India is "indigenously" developing death star which has a laser beam and can shot down anything that appears from Pakistan air space and that thing has a range of 1,000,000 KM.

Oh Yeah we almost forgot to warn you of that.... Our bad...;)
 
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