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China pushes Asia-Pacific trade deals as Trump win dashes TPP hopes

oh, so you think that will offset the loss of the biggest trade partner adopting protectionism policy and will also lead to a profit?

Stop diverting the discussion.

China will profit from this stupid move by Trump because all these countries are bound to search for an alternative solution with the US dropping out.

US China trade relations are an entirely separate matter.

Obama had framed TPP, which excluded China, as an effort to write Asia's trade rules before Beijing could, establishing U.S. economic leadership in the region as part of his "pivot to Asia".

Says it all. I think it is a good move by Trump from our perspective because this will benefit China.
 
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Stop diverting the discussion.

China will profit from this stupid move by Trump because all these countries are bound to search for an alternative solution with the US dropping out.

US China trade relations are an entirely separate matter.

Obama had framed TPP, which excluded China, as an effort to write Asia's trade rules before Beijing could, establishing U.S. economic leadership in the region as part of his "pivot to Asia".


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stupid move? you do realize Trump's stance on TPP, is one of the reasons he got elected right? people don't want these trade deals

Trade is a single matter, if US adopts protectionism, Chinese Trade Surplus will experience a drop faster than Hillary on election day.

The main point is, the losses China will experience from Trump outweigh the benefits China will receive from Trump, you can spin it any way you like, but its the reality.
 
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stupid move? you do realize Trump's stance on TPP, is one of the reasons he got elected right? people don't want these trade deals

Trade is a single matter, if US adopts protectionism, Chinese Trade Surplus will experience a drop faster than Hillary on election day.

The main point is, the losses China will experience from Trump outweigh the benefits China will receive from Trump, you can spin it any way you like, but its the reality.

That's your and Trump's grand illusion. LOL On the contrary, TPP being cancelled will only benefit China. TPP was after all Obama's stick to beat and blackmail China. China wasn't even part of TPP and it was specifically designed against it. Why would China be concerned with the US pulling out of TPP? They are rejoicing this moment.

Also, China cannot be blackmailed because if China is reliant on the US we can also assume the opposite. Trade is after all a two way street. Having said that, bring it on. This will only prove how desperate and pathetic the US has become in its quest for pushing through extreme policies which are not only going to hurt others, but also itself. China is already busy forging economic trade blocs around the world. China is providing massive construction aid to other nations. China is building coalitions. Trump and nobody for that matter can stop China's progress. It is sour grapes as we say.
 
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Obama had framed TPP, which excluded China, as an effort to write Asia's trade rules before Beijing could, establishing U.S. economic leadership in the region as part of his "pivot to Asia".
How much you wanna bet he wanted China included, which may be the reason he wants it scrapped. Also just rub salt on Obama's lost.

China and Trump can work together to rewrite a new Asia-Pacific trade deal which includes China. :agree:
 
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That's your and Trump's grand illusion. LOL On the contrary, TPP being cancelled will only benefit China. TPP was after all Obama's stick to beat and blackmail China. China wasn't even part of TPP and it was specifically designed against it. Why would China be concerned with the US pulling out of TPP? They are rejoicing this moment.

Also, China cannot be blackmailed because if China is reliant on the US we can also assume the opposite. Trade is after all a two way street. Having said that, bring it on. This will only prove how desperate and pathetic the US has become in its quest for pushing through extreme policies which are not only going to hurt others, but also itself. China is already busy forging economic trade blocs around the world. China is providing massive construction aid to other nations. China is building coalitions. Trump and nobody cannot stop China. It is sour grapes as we say.

where did I say China should be concerned with US pulling out of TPP?

TPP is more about giving US corporations more power in those countries rather than "sticking it to China"
that's why Harper was beat by a massive margin, mostly due to his stance on TPP, and average American doesn't want TPP either.

Grand illusion? you talked about protectionism yourself, the f*ck do you think is gonna happen when the country where the biggest trade surplus comes from, suddenly adopts the same policy you talk about?
trade does go both ways, but there is a thing called trade surplus, in which case China profits more from US than the other way around.
US can minimize the losses and provide incentives by lowering corporate tax and offshore tax.

you can form every trade bloc you want, at the end of the day US will still control the biggest consumer markets in the world.
 
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...China and Trump can work together to rewrite a new Asia-Pacific trade deal which includes China. :agree:

The above is a bad idea.

Let's start Trade War asap.
Then afterward, the real Physical War.
Bring It On.

This will give Pres. XIJP excuses to remove all those weak knees Chinese government officials.
Hopefully, Trump will be slimy enough to steal all those Chinese assets in US.
I personally would like to severely punish all those stupid wealthy Chinese who immigrated to US.


:enjoy: :yes4: :dance3:

And, 1B1R will progress much faster.
 
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Give it a rest. Pulling out of the TPP hardly suggests that. Some us are happy about it.

Here is my personal understanding on the issue. If Trump follows through with his promises, US oversea influence will diminish, but the up side is that US economy will stablize as well. There are many long term consequences of this change of strategic direction.

To put it in a simpler analogy, the Chinese-US competition is like a martial battle. US started off stronger and in battle, if you are stronger, you press the advantage and hopefully eliminate the competition right there. However, launching an offensive takes a lot more effort than playing defensive, so as the time passes, US found out that it can't sustain the offensive, so it needs to back down and regroup.

This is why US has taken an antagonist stance on China in the past 20 years. Beginning at the collapse of USSR, US is in such military and economic dominance, it is seeks to contain China and prevent it from developing into a position that can challenge US dominance. However, as the time pass, it is clear that the current effort, (encircling China, propping up proxies, economic/technological sanctions, etc) isn't doing it and more importantly, these efforts took a heavy toll on US economy itself as well. For example, if TPP succeeds, it may tie many of its member economies such as Vietnam into US economy, this means Vietnam would have no choice but to oppose China at every turn. However, the downside is that large amount of low level manufacturing would flow to Vietnam and hollow out US' base manufacturing ability. BTW, this is pretty much what happened with later day USSR economy. Many of its base manufacturing went to east European/North Korea, etc, so USSR was able to maintain tight grasp on these nations, but since the outflow left USSR itself economically vulnerable, it had a very difficult time making reforms and ultimate led to its demise.

So basically, IF Trump managed to follow his promises, it will leave China a lot more room to expand its influence, but at the same time, it will also means stablization of US economic structure and the China-US competition turning into an even longer game.

Now is it a good choice or bad choice? Well, implementation difficulty aside (which I have huge doubts), from US perspective, it is, in reality, somewhat a no-win scenario. Basically, direct containing Chinese development has been a failure even when US hold the overwhelming military and economic domiance and if US continues down this path, it would be in trouble within a few decades. However, letting China develop freely would means a few more decades down the road you would probably face a China that has the military and economic dominance. Of course, that would be long past Trump's time or even our time, but that's the gist of it.
 
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