‘China provokes us but we still don’t know how to fight it’

[ChinaToday]

THIS NEW book is a detailed critique of the military strategy of India. NC Asthana, a top IPS officer, and Anjali Nirmal, who has a doctorate in police administration, examine India’s preparedness in case of a war. Ranging across war doctrines, strategies, perceived threats and military capacity, they study what is wrong with Indian military. In a conversation with Kunal Majumder, the authors outline the reasons our strategies are often Pakistan-centric and why we are scared of China.

EDITED EXCERPTS FROM AN INTERVIEW

What’s the real military crisis for India?
Armies win battles, while nations win wars. Strong armies don’t win wars, strong nations do. Our nation isn’t mentally prepared to win a war. The entire approach to defence has become hardware-centric. Departmental interest becomes paramount and the army wants to expand, so it’s interested in acquiring more hardware. The field commanders and military lack a national perspective. On the other hand, the political leadership lacks military perspective. When the military men say they require X number of tanks, Y number of planes and Z number of artillery, nobody questions them because it becomes the holy cow of defence. Do it and you’ll be described as [someone] bent on jeopardising national security.


But isn’t this difference between the military’s needs and the politicians’ perception inevitable in a democracy?
The US military crisis is precipitated by its political leadership. Military thinker Carl von Clausewitz said, “War is an extension of politics through other means.” War starts when diplomacy fails, when war ends, diplomacy starts. Besides being hardware-centric, our strategies are also Pakistan-centric. Even the Cold Start (India’s military doctrine) is geared towards an offensive into Pakistan.

Why do you claim that Indians are subconsciously scared of China?
It’s our experience of 1962 that scares us. Whenever we talk of Pakistan, we boast of our numerical superiority. If we apply the same logic with China, we’re scared because we’re numerically inferior.

But should we be afraid of China?
There is no need. China cannot be militarily defeated. We should be handling it in ways that aren’t military. We’ve quoted a former naval chief in the book, saying militarily, India cannot defeat China.

Isn’t the probability of war with China or another country less than it was two decades ago?The chances of full-scale war are rather remote. Our other thesis questions why we’re spending so much on defence. The budget last year was 1.47 lakh crore. Despite our Pakistan-centric military strategy, the fact is a nuclear Pakistan would not allow itself to be defeated decisively. The Chinese, on the other hand, are trying to provoke us in many ways but we still don’t know how we’d act in a conflict with them — only infantry, an armour offensive, or would we prefer a nuclear approach itself at the very beginning?

Kunal Majumder is a Senior Correspondent with Tehelka.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

 

[ironwarrier11]

haha lets be frnds and progress together..yes we can

 

[Contract Killer]

THIS NEW book is a detailed critique of the military strategy of India. NC Asthana, a top IPS officer, and Anjali Nirmal, who has a doctorate in police administration, examine India’s preparedness in case of a war. Ranging across war doctrines, strategies, perceived threats and military capacity, they study what is wrong with Indian military. In a conversation with Kunal Majumder, the authors outline the reasons our strategies are often Pakistan-centric and why we are scared of China.

EDITED EXCERPTS FROM AN INTERVIEW

What’s the real military crisis for India?
Armies win battles, while nations win wars. Strong armies don’t win wars, strong nations do. Our nation isn’t mentally prepared to win a war. The entire approach to defence has become hardware-centric. Departmental interest becomes paramount and the army wants to expand, so it’s interested in acquiring more hardware. The field commanders and military lack a national perspective. On the other hand, the political leadership lacks military perspective. When the military men say they require X number of tanks, Y number of planes and Z number of artillery, nobody questions them because it becomes the holy cow of defence. Do it and you’ll be described as [someone] bent on jeopardising national security.


But isn’t this difference between the military’s needs and the politicians’ perception inevitable in a democracy?
The US military crisis is precipitated by its political leadership. Military thinker Carl von Clausewitz said, “War is an extension of politics through other means.” War starts when diplomacy fails, when war ends, diplomacy starts. Besides being hardware-centric, our strategies are also Pakistan-centric. Even the Cold Start (India’s military doctrine) is geared towards an offensive into Pakistan.

Why do you claim that Indians are subconsciously scared of China?
It’s our experience of 1962 that scares us. Whenever we talk of Pakistan, we boast of our numerical superiority. If we apply the same logic with China, we’re scared because we’re numerically inferior.

But should we be afraid of China?
There is no need. China cannot be militarily defeated. We should be handling it in ways that aren’t military. We’ve quoted a former naval chief in the book, saying militarily, India cannot defeat China.

Isn’t the probability of war with China or another country less than it was two decades ago?The chances of full-scale war are rather remote. Our other thesis questions why we’re spending so much on defence. The budget last year was 1.47 lakh crore. Despite our Pakistan-centric military strategy, the fact is a nuclear Pakistan would not allow itself to be defeated decisively. The Chinese, on the other hand, are trying to provoke us in many ways but we still don’t know how we’d act in a conflict with them — only infantry, an armour offensive, or would we prefer a nuclear approach itself at the very beginning?

Kunal Majumder is a Senior Correspondent with Tehelka.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

If this can make you happy & can give you good sleep in night...... I don't have problem.

But with 1000 plus post, if you still don't understand, who's opinion matters, then God help China.

Also..... your post perfectly goes with your name & avatar.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Its simple keep modernizing and test that Agni V ASAP, that'll heat up our panda friends up north.

and Yes, I'm all for good trade relations.

 

[God of Death]

Thanks china today for posting it


I agree Indians are too weak they can't fight

Only chinese can after all they are brave 1.4 billion people who in the past ruled by tiny provinces like manus and mangols.

The mighty hen chinese build the world famous great wall of china just to save their *** from the few mongols its a proof of bravery

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thanks china today for posting it


I agree Indians are too weak they can't fight

Your own Armed Forces agree with you.

'India can't match China's military force': Indian Naval Chief - IBN Live

New Delhi: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta has set off a storm by saying India cannot match China military force. Is it a warning from India's military that the government needs to hear?

"In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force," said Admiral Sureesh Mehta.

For a nuclear-armed military representing the interests of a billion-plus people, the lack of confidence is quite striking. India's military leadership has made a stunning confession that New Delhi doesn't have the stomach for a fight, if push came to shove on the disputed Sino-Indian boundary.

"Whether in terms of GDP, defence spend or any other parameter, the gap between the two is too wide to bridge and is getting wider by the day," he said.

 

[Alphacharlie]

In case China attacks on Tawang with all their might. What will be our reaction ?

1) No worries of Pakistan.
2) We have 3 corps from Assam to Arunachal Pradesh.
3) 150 Air Craft in Eastern States (taking a lower figure)
4) Army will be joined by Paramilitary Forces (FYI our Paramilitary is about 1.2 Million) also Nehru not being around we will Give you a Real GOOD Fight Mr Han. Lets not go to Nukes ......

 

[Contract Killer]

Your own Armed Forces agree with you.

'India can't match China's military force': Indian Naval Chief - IBN Live

And what will you say about this?????..........The PLA’s top officer, Gen. Chen Bingde, announced during his recent visit to Washington that China’s is no where close to matching the United States’ in terms of military capability.

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In case China attacks on Tawang with all their might. What will be our reaction ?

1) No worries of Pakistan.
2) We have 3 cores from Assam to Arunachal Pradesh.
3) 150 Air Craft in Eastern States (taking a lower figure)
4) Army will be joined by Paramilitary Forces (FYI our Paramilitary is about 1.2 Million) also Nehru not being around we will Give you a Real GOOD Fight Mr Han. Lets not go to Nukes ......

china don't have ball to attack India. it is just showoff.

 

[Tshering22]

Your own Armed Forces agree with you.

'India can't match China's military force': Indian Naval Chief - IBN Live

Active methods of seeking more militarization. Oldest trick in the book:

Make a press conference;

Show yourself vulnerable;

Extract cash for your branch of military service for research and acquisitions.


I don't know how it works in your country, but most countries around the world use this silly little trick. Politicians fall for it all the time.

 

[HongWu]

Isn’t the probability of war with China or another country less than it was two decades ago?[/B]The chances of full-scale war are rather remote. Our other thesis questions why we’re spending so much on defence. The budget last year was 1.47 lakh crore. Despite our Pakistan-centric military strategy, the fact is a nuclear Pakistan would not allow itself to be defeated decisively. The Chinese, on the other hand, are trying to provoke us in many ways but we still don’t know how we’d act in a conflict with them — only infantry, an armour offensive, or would we prefer a nuclear approach itself at the very beginning?

Kunal Majumder is a Senior Correspondent with Tehelka.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

indians really itching for reincarnation these days

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And what will you say about this?????..........The PLA’s top officer, Gen. Chen Bingde, announced during his recent visit to Washington that China’s is no where close to matching the United States’ in terms of military capability.

I'd say that he is absolutely right.

But even back in the 1950's, we managed to push the USA + 16 of her allies combined, completely out of North Korea. So despite being far behind, we have fought head-on against them and prevailed even back in the 1950's.

We fought head-on against both the superpowers (USA and USSR) even back when we were at the weakest point in our history.

India on the other hand, has only ever lost land. In 1947 to Pakistan and in 1962 to China.

 

[Tshering22]

In case China attacks on Tawang with all their might. What will be our reaction ?

1) No worries of Pakistan.

They will try their best which is why we cannot take chances. Chinese would never intervene in an Indo-Pakistani conflict but Pakistanis can't resist indulging in others' wars. They meddled against USSR and suffered the economic agony; They meddled in WOT by playing dual agents and now they are on the verge of collapse, only being survived by Chinese investments.

Take a bet; they will at least try even if not fully involve.

2) We have 3 cores from Assam to Arunachal Pradesh.

And we have a lot of "love" for the Reds. If you get the idea

3) 150 Air Craft in Eastern States (taking a lower figure)

Aerial conflict will have a minimal role to play in a Sino-Indian clash. Himalayas are not your typical plains of Indo-Pakistan border.

Most members here love discussing aerial wars because of the style-appeal it has; but it is practically impossible in our case as more pilots from PLAAF and IAF would be snuffing it from human error factors than combat casualties.

4) Army will be joined by Paramilitary Forces (FYI our Paramilitary is about 1.2 Million) also Nehru not being around we will Give you a Real GOOD Fight Mr Han. Lets not go to Nukes ......

Doesn't make much difference as long as impure genes are still around in the form of Maino Mafia and her puppies.

 

[Contract Killer]

I'd say that he is absolutely right.

But even back in the 1950's, we managed to push the USA + 16 of her allies combined, completely out of North Korea. So despite being far behind, we have fought head-on against them and prevailed even back in the 1950's.

We fought head-on against the superpower USA and the superpower USSR even back when we were at the weakest point in our history.

India on the other hand, has only ever lost land. In 1947 to Pakistan and in 1962 to China.

When you have reached till 1947, then lets go little more back to 1945. I heard there was a humiliation, which even after 60+ years, itches you all.

why you don't remember that?

 

[Anish1]

China and Pakistan already control India.

Raul Vinci is an ISI agent.

Vote for BJP SAVE INDIA.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

My dear hongwu, I am really surprised, why your CCP does not think like that???

When you guys have so much power, why don't CCP have balls to attack and take Arunachal Pradesh???

We already took Arunachal Pradesh in 1962, we defeated you easily in BOTH sectors.

The Indian Army never took AP back by force, they just hoped and prayed that the PLA would consider Aksai Chin more important, and leave on their own.

When you have reached till 1947, then lets go little more back to 1945. I heard there was a humiliation, which even after 60+ years, itches you all.

why you don't remember that?

China under the RoC was weak, however we were never fully colonized by any of the colonial powers.

Unlike India, which was in fact created by them.