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Who said we are doing charity work? you?Don't try and pretend you're doing charity work.
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Who said we are doing charity work? you?Don't try and pretend you're doing charity work.
u gotta remember their whole purpose on this forum is to use their commie era propaganda methods to convince the few of us here that somehow we need chinaDon't try and pretend you're doing charity work. China's work in Pakistan is almost exclusively about China's own interests. We all know the investments are a way to counter China's heavy reliance on the strait of Malacca.
It's funny, you shills can't even get your narrative straight.
You suggest that China is doing this out of the goodness of its own heart, the other guy says it's purely a strategic decision.
Between the two of you I'm more inclined to believe the other guy.
If there's no reason for Pakistan for this buiness Pakistan wouldn't be in in the first place, business is also two ways, if a business only benefits one party, it can't be conducted.Don't try and pretend you're doing charity work. China's work in Pakistan is almost exclusively about China's own interests. We all know the investments are a way to counter China's heavy reliance on the strait of Malacca.
"we" means Pakistan or US? We admit we target US cause US targets China first, they picked the fights, if you mean Pakistan, then no, we never have this motive.u gotta remember their whole purpose on this forum is to use their commie era propaganda methods to convince the few of us here that somehow we need china
Are you too slow to understand that two different people have two different opinions? It seems so. And if you're too slow to understand that, you're certainly far too slow to understand that China's supporters aren't "shills."It's funny, you shills can't even get your narrative straight.
You suggest that China is doing this out of the goodness of its own heart, the other guy says it's purely a strategic decision.
China never ever tries to stop you from having cozy friendly relations with US and the west, does China? non interference is the corner stone of the Chinese foreign policies from day one.China wants Pakistan and Pakistanis to trust them, but all I can see is that China is USA-2.0.
Then save your outrage for when China uses this so-called influence to have mosques in Pakistan demolished. Until then, what happens in China is China's business an no one else's.
I don't see this at all. China and Pakistan have a strategic partnership based on an enduring convergence of geopolitical interests. China is interested in containing India and Pakistan is interested in surviving and defending itself against the mortal threat India poses to it. Where's the "trust" here?
Cheaply sentimental rhetoric like "higher than mountains and sweeter than honey" is for the rubes. China and Pakistan are strategic partners, not lovers. The only influence China wants in Pakistan is for Pakistan to be able to stand on its own feet so it can be a useful partner. A weak and failing partner is worse than useless.
China and Pakistan are useful for each other, "friendship and trust" is always two ways, never one way.For a moment, I could not believe, that you guys can write such a rude post about Pakistan.
^ this! I have to agree is a very sound post!China and Pakistan are useful for each other, "friendship and trust" is always two ways, never one way.
China and Pakistan are useful for each other, "friendship and trust" is always two ways, never one way.
My post isn't rude, it's honest and unsentimental.For a moment, I could not believe, that you guys can write such a rude post about Pakistan.
Only the energy supply lines from Russia and central Asian countries are really critical, urgent and safe for China's security and development. All the rest BRI projects are not too important and urgent for China even though China gets to diversify its trades along the routes from the West. CPEC is an alternate strategic trade route from China to Middle East and Africa, Pakistan also benefits from CPEC. But, if US navy is able to block Chinese ships at strait of Malacca in time of conflict, then China would certainly not expect the sea lanes from the Persian gulf and Africa to Gwadar port to be operational since US navy is stronger there and can easily cut off the Chinese sea routes in the Arabian sea.Don't try and pretend you're doing charity work. China's work in Pakistan is almost exclusively about China's own interests. We all know the investments are a way to counter China's heavy reliance on the strait of Malacca.
It's funny, you shills can't even get your narrative straight.
You suggest that China is doing this out of the goodness of its own heart, the other guy says it's purely a strategic decision.
Between the two of you I'm more inclined to believe the other guy.
Pakistanis hold a higher opinion of China than it really deserves while the Chinese in general think little of Pakistan - even those that have lived in it and profited heavily from it and that is their nature not some criticism . That higher than mountains and deeper than oceans is just diplomatic niceties and state level messages - it is a VERY VERY transactional relationshipWhat a shit argument to make.
Y'all feel the need to constantly comment about other nations, and spread your propaganda on PDF, but when you get the same treatment, we should mind our own business?
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Also, I agree that the relationship between China and Pakistan are strategic, not friendly. That is however undermined by the constant Chinese propaganda that is constantly pushed on Pakistanis by China, you can see it here on PDF.
And thank you for calling Pakistan worse than useless.
@SQ8 @LeGenD @RescueRanger
More proof of what "our friends" really think of us.
And you are absolutely right - Ayub Khan even went to India to propose a joint alliance to combat the “red menace” to the north(China) while trying to secure some concessions on Kashmir until the Indians sent him about faced.No one is above the laws, be them Han Chinese or ethnic minorities.
And why countries become friends? You don't know Pakistan used to be a staunch US ally constantly criticized China untill China gave a blood nose to India, do you?
And which country has stabbed Pakistan in the back many times in times of need despite being allies ?Pakistanis hold a higher opinion of China than it really deserves while the Chinese in general think little of Pakistan - even those that have lived in it and profited heavily from it and that is their nature not some criticism . That higher than mountains and deeper than oceans is just diplomatic niceties and state level messages - it is a VERY VERY transactional relationship
Even those Chinese who might hold positive views of Pakistan and Pakistanis, will do a complete 720 when they actually interact with and meet some.Pakistanis hold a higher opinion of China than it really deserves while the Chinese in general think little of Pakistan - even those that have lived in it and profited heavily from it and that is their nature not some criticism . That higher than mountains and deeper than oceans is just diplomatic niceties and state level messages - it is a VERY VERY transactional relationship