China & Pakistan Supports Sri Lanka at UNHRC

[Abu Zolfiqar]

May be your Balouch insurgency but we never used heavy artillery and airforce against Sikh militants. Also just for killing a couple of Sikh militants we never bombed a hospital or deliberately targetted civilians.

when was the last time you ever heard of PAF combat ops anywhere in Balochistan?

we realize it's a small but very much existing insurgency.....it's very different in terms of nature than LTTE. LTTE was far more organized, larger in numbers and pretty decently equipped

i'd almost like to say they are like Faarc rebels -- except theirs is not an ideological cause it's an ethno-centric one.....it was essentially a state within a state; they had a military-like structure.


a deadly organization; i dont think you should shed tears that the group was destroyed....LTTE used you guys man. They saw india's tamil nadu as their playground; i'm sure patriotic indians would not appreciate that


again i reiterate --- targeting civilians is wrong as well.....but vilifying Sri Lanka and foreign countries meddling in their internal affairs is wronger. (I'd say the same thing about Afghanistan or any other country)

 

[Bhairava]

China and Pakistan...Pakistan did not even vote nor it was even a member of UNHRC...

did you read my post? This wasnt a war against Tamil people.....

Killing 10s of thousands of innocent civilians bound and gagged does tell a different story.

a move which surprised me really, since it will push Sri Lanka closer to the PRC (which i'm sure indian strategists would not welcome)

I would be surprised at their foolishness if they did that, considering it was their move to host US Navy that was one of the reason which prompted Indian decision to support the Tigers. Lankans should know when two elephants slug it out, its only the grass that is destroyed first.

Those who dont learn from mistakes are bound to repeat it

 

[harpoon]

when was the last time you ever heard of PAF combat ops anywhere in Balochistan?

we realize it's a small but very much existing insurgency.....it's very different in terms of nature than LTTE. LTTE was far more organized, larger in numbers and pretty decently equipped

i'd almost like to say they are like Faarc rebels -- except theirs is not an ideological cause it's an ethno-centric one.....it was essentially a state within a state; they had a military-like structure.


a deadly organization; i dont think you should shed tears that the group was destroyed....LTTE used you guys man. They saw india's tamil nadu as their playground; i'm sure patriotic indians would not appreciate that

Well Akbar Bugti was killed by a PAF jet isn't it. If not against Baluchis you are freely using PAF jets, combat helicopters and heavy artillery against TTP, who as far as I know doesn't operate any of the above.

90% of the Indians express no regrets in the destruction of LTTE. Also how ever hard Sri Lankans may deny it, it was impossible to destroy LTTE without Indian help.

again i reiterate --- targeting civilians is wrong as well.....but vilifying Sri Lanka and foreign countries meddling in their internal affairs is wronger. (I'd say the same thing about Afghanistan or any other country)

True and we waited 3 years for justice to the victims, but SL is no mood to deliver the justice.They broke the promise made to India when we helped them win the civil war. Also SL is a fully functioning state unlike anarchic AF.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you should be talking to Dr. Sardar Ji

 

[Yeti]

Abu Zolfiqar you say it was not a war on the Tamil people but on the LTTE which would be fine if there was no reports of war crimes done on the civilians and also the Sri Lankan army abusing their power and going after Tamils who were not involved with the LTTE.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Well Akbar Bugti was killed by a PAF jet isn't it. If not against Baluchis you are freely using PAF jets, combat helicopters and heavy artillery against TTP, who as far as I know doesn't operate any of the above.

90% of the Indians express no regrets in the destruction of LTTE. Also how ever hard Sri Lankans may deny it, it was impossible to destroy LTTE without Indian help.

LTTE's international networks still exist. I know crystal clear about their presence in London, for example. (those britishers love taking bad apples from developing countries)

as for Bugti -- well some say it was PAF that took him out; others say the cave he was hiding in was booby-trapped. Whatever it is, can't change the past. He made mistakes, but i personally think that his death was actually a loss for Pakistan and it was tragic. Thats my view, even though im not a fan of feudal-minded types. Even as a former soldier, i believe in the power of courts.

True and we waited 3 years for justice to the victims, but SL is no mood to deliver the justice.

tumhe kya....are you Sri Lankan?

They broke the promise made to India when we helped them win the civil war. Also SL is a fully functioning state unlike anarchic AF.

shyte hit the fan in 83......i trust the Sri Lankan govt. has also learned some lessons. I would hope they have.

raw military power alone does not solve insurgencies; especially politically-motivated ones

 

[nalandapride]

Also 90% of the Indians express no regrets in the destruction of LTTE. Also how ever hard Sri Lankans may deny it, it was impossible to destroy LTTE without Indian help.

Buddy, I was in Tamil Nadu during last years of Sri Lankan Civil War, Indian government did a huge crackdown on smuggling to Sri Lanka and very often I used to read about smugglers caught by TN Police. LTTE was one of the fiercest separatist group in the world and it was impossible for tiny Sri Lanka to cope with them without India's help.

But Sri Lankans don't want to thanks India's contributions in ending civil war, its their wish. India expect Sri Lanka to work of ultimate solution to their ethnic issues instead of political infighting and neglect.

 

[harpoon]

tumhe kya....are you Sri Lankan?

It was the promise made to India during the Civil War. In return for supporting Sri Lankans, they promised to pass 13 the amendment which till now they didn't.

Its just like Pakistanis supporting Palestinians eventhough you are not Palestinians but here the stakes are higher.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

you dont have to explain to me your grievance...i understand your situation -- you dont want unrest in Tamil Nadu (where 60 million tamils live)


but alienating Sri Lanka is not a good move on your part......as South Asians we should all be throwing our support behind them, in the face of foreign meddling and UN hypocrisy

 

[harpoon]

you dont have to explain to me your grievance...i understand your situation -- you dont want unrest in Tamil Nadu (where 60 million tamils live)


but alienating Sri Lanka is not a good move on your part......as South Asians we should all be throwing our support behind them, in the face of foreign meddling and UN hypocrisy

As I said earlier its up to Sl to decide whether its worth to have India as their enemy 100 miles from their border. As for support part if tomorrow there is a resolution on Kashmir or minority rights in India..will you support us? I don't think so.

 

[DEV444]

why was the a hole PM of INDIA was assasinated, because the IPKF did the un acceptable damage to the TAMILS at the Jaffna Hospital, Kindly read the Jaffna Hospital Massacre


now the Government is stating that it is not wise to mendle in the affires of a soverign country, they should have said the same before sending the IPKF and should have not sent them in the first place.
Has the IA ever set foot on a nother soil that is war torn with out the approval of UN, the answer is a big NO.
JUST DON'T JUSTIFY THE ACTION OF Rajiv Gandhi AKA A HOLE of our politics who sent the IPKF.

The alternative should have been to kept the a## away.

Mr ashokdeiva

You really seem to be less of an Indian and more of a LTTE sympathising Tamil chauvinist.Because you find fault with Rajiv Gandhi,Sonia Gandhi, Indian govt, Indian Army - everyone except the LTTE. Those LTTE bastards who have got the blood of 1800 IPKF soldiers in their hands, .Does any of these Tamil chauvinists remember even the Madras Regiment boys of IPKF and posthomous Param Vir Chankra winner Major Sarvanan ? And the Jaffna Hospital massacre.That came because the LTTE were doing what they have always so unscrupulously done - and that is firing at the IPKF from civilian centres including hospitals, as in this particular incident. If the IPKF were as ruthless and unmindful as the Sri Lankan Army, of heavy civilian casualties in collateral damage while fighting with the LTTE,who always shot at IPKF under civilian cover, the LTTE saga would have been finished off in 1987-88 itself by the IPKF. In fact, the IPKF GOC General Harkirat Singh openly disregarded then High Commissioner J N Dixit's to order arrest or shoot Prabhakaran when a flag meeting of the IPKF AND LTTE was scheduled, saying that as an orthodox Army, they did not shoot people in the back when they were coming for a meeting under the white flag. And you have the audacity to blame the IPKF for the Jaffna Hospital Massacre!

 

[DEV444]

It was the promise made to India during the Civil War. In return for supporting Sri Lankans, they promised to pass 13 the amendment which till now they didn't.

Sir,

Actually the Srilankans paid close attention to the Indian political scene where General Elections were due shortly and the Jan Morcha of V P Singh and company had openly declared that they will immediately withdraw the IPKF if they came to power. So the SriLankans just delayed the promised devolution of power to Lankan Tamils till VP Singh ousted out Rajiv from power in the general elections and expectedly the IPKF was withdrawn, and with no IPKF, now the Srilankans happily dumped the devolution of power in the Indian Ocean.

 

[foxbat]

which side did Pakistan vote?

 

[ashokdeiva]

Mr ashokdeiva

You really seem to be less of an Indian and more of a LTTE sympathising Tamil chauvinist.Because you find fault with Rajiv Gandhi,Sonia Gandhi, Indian govt, Indian Army - everyone except the LTTE. Those LTTE bastards who have got the blood of 1800 IPKF soldiers in their hands, .Does any of these Tamil chauvinists remember even the Madras Regiment boys of IPKF and posthomous Param Vir Chankra winner Major Sarvanan ? And the Jaffna Hospital massacre.That came because the LTTE were doing what they have always so unscrupulously done - and that is firing at the IPKF from civilian centres including hospitals, as in this particular incident. If the IPKF were as ruthless and unmindful as the Sri Lankan Army, of heavy civilian casualties in collateral damage while fighting with the LTTE,who always shot at IPKF under civilian cover, the LTTE saga would have been finished off in 1987-88 itself by the IPKF. In fact, the IPKF GOC General Harkirat Singh openly disregarded then High Commissioner J N Dixit's to order arrest or shoot Prabhakaran when a flag meeting of the IPKF AND LTTE was scheduled, saying that as an orthodox Army, they did not shoot people in the back when they were coming for a meeting under the white flag. And you have the audacity to blame the IPKF for the Jaffna Hospital Massacre!

I have been closly following the SL tamil issue all my life time and now you accuse me of being anti INDIA, compared to me your knowledge of the SL Tamil issue is nothing and yet you talk of much high regards for IPKF, IPKF should have not been set foot in the IsLAND NATION what ever you say. There is a old proverb in tamil which goes like "Sethum keduthan selanthiappan" which means "Even in death the guy brings suffering to everyone" and that goes very well for Rajiv Gandhi, a spinsell looter of Indian Wealth and the man who sold INDIA's strategic interest to every one.
And this High Commissioner J N Dixit's is the one who mis guided Rajiv telling that if you support LTTE, then TN people one day will fight for freedom, and because a inexperianced PM fell for this HIGH COMMISIONR, he replaced all serving Madrasi Regiment officers with Sikh regiment offiecers and went on a offencive against LTTE.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

As I said earlier its up to Sl to decide whether its worth to have India as their enemy 100 miles from their border. As for support part if tomorrow there is a resolution on Kashmir or minority rights in India..will you support us? I don't think so.

well Kashmir is out of the picture as its a bilateral issue. Sri Lanka's war against LTTE wasnt a bilateral issue, it was an internal one.

if Sri Lanka wanted to be enemies with india then they'd have signalled so...which they havent. But you cant vote against a country in the UN and then expect they'll welcome you with open arms. Theyre recovering from war, you should be the ones also throwing your support behind them....our should be doing the same

Ashok, i am sensing you are very angry.

i am concerned for your well-being.....cool off man! It's Friday.....