China-Pakistan economic corridor violates our sovereignty, India tells Beijing

[Thevar]

India: your project with Pakistan violates our sovereignty
China: no it does not
India: yes it does
China: what do you expect us to do?
India: cease the project immediately
China: what if i don't?
India: you see our Agni V and Brahmos?
China: you see our HUNDREDS of MEGATONS?
India:
China: next subject

awwww.....you wanna talk about south china sea then mate ??? maybe the american bombs will quiet you down

besides who is china going to sell its products to ??? africa ??? HAHhahahah

 

[JohnyD]

And this is the obsession Indians have with CPEC. This is why you see so much negative publicity about the project. This means CPEC is truly a game changer. It has got everyone in a spin. Especially the Indians.

take my words...CPEC is never going to take shape as it was envisaged....secondly, PK is expecting too much out of it whereas I see no reason for PK to do that..Only Chinese firms will take away the net benefits......Chinese are not not for being generous, they play every card close to their heart....Chinese are not your well wishers but they are your top enemy's enemy country hence they have some interest in you...in politics friends and enemies change but one thing remain static and that is self interest....so instead of getting high on CPEC, build your own economy rationally and equally everywhere in PK....

 

[mrrehan]

take my words...CPEC is never going to take shape as it was envisaged....secondly, PK is expecting too much out of it whereas I see no reason for PK to do that..Only Chinese firms will take away the net benefits......Chinese are not not for being generous, they play every card close to their heart....Chinese are not your well wishers but they are your top enemy's enemy country hence they have some interest in you...in politics friends and enemies change but one thing remain static and that is self interest....so instead of getting high on CPEC, build your own economy rationally and equally everywhere in PK....

I like the word you use.
envisaged = a mental image of something that is not present or that is not the case

 

[Pakistani E]

He looks like a Pakistan sponsored kabaili jihadi.
Here is the real Kashmiri Muslim Warrior General Mohammad Amin Naik.

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And here is my relative, a full blooded Kashmiri Muslim Warrior who fought against the Indian invaders, you have one. I have several in my family alone who fought against India, beginning from when Pakistan was created.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

And here is my relative, a full blooded Kashmiri Muslim Warrior who fought against the Indian invaders, you have one. I have several in my family alone who fought against India, beginning from when Pakistan was created.


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Well, if he was in Pakistan Army and got martyred in action, I have highest regards for him. But if he got killed as a terrorist jihadi then I wont be shy to say that I have my highest contempt for him. A soldier represents his nation, an entity that is recognized by all. He fights for his nation unlike the brainwashed non state actors.

This is the photo of Brigadier Mohammad Usman, Maha Vir Chakra, who got martyred in 1948 in Noushera Sector of J&K in first Indo-Pak war. He is still revered and remembered as Sher-e-Naushera. After partition Pakistan had tried a lot that he migrate to Pakistan and was even lured with Pak Army Chief's post but he chose to side with his motherland and even gave his supreme sacrifice defending his motherland.

Brigadier Usman is my relative, not by blood but by bond. I have other relatives who have served and serving the Indian Army but only a lucky few get the honors of a martyr.

 

[Pakistani E]

Well, if he was in Pakistan Army and got martyred in action, I have highest regards for him. But if he got killed as a terrorist jihadi then I wont be shy to say that I have my highest contempt for him. A soldier represents his nation, an entity that is recognized by all. He fights for his nation unlike the brainwashed non state actors.

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This is the photo of Brigadier Mohammad Usman, Maha Vir Chakra, who got martyred in 1948 in Noushera Sector of J&K in first Indo-Pak war. He is still revered and remembered as Sher-e-Naushera. After partition Pakistan had tried a lot that he migrate to Pakistan and was even lured with Pak Army Chief's post but he chose to side with his motherland and even gave his supreme sacrifice defending his motherland.

Brigadier Usman is my relative, not by blood but by bond. I have other relatives who have served and serving the Indian Army but only a lucky few get the honors of a martyr.

He didn't get martyred, nor is he a tribal. He is a Kashmiri Pakistani soldier (retired). The only reason I posted that picture was to to say that ethnic Kashmiris also fought alongside Pakistan.

I know about the person you have posted and I have immense respect for that gentleman. But he was not an ethnic Kashmiri, which the original poster was alluding to when he chose to pinpoint that other Pakistani gentleman.

You may call the tribals as terrorist, but fighting for your nation as a paramilitary force is not terrorism. Please don't simplify things. Fighting for your nation is also Jihad, so is defending yourself from a murderer, and even fighting against a burglar/thief trying to steal your possession. Those tribals were not brainwashed, otherwise they would have joined up with Afghanistan, these same tribals also fought off incursions from the Afghan side. They fought for Pakistan, and as a person of Kashmiri ancestry, I say thank you to them. Are you Kashmiri?

 

[Radio Mirchi]

He didn't get martyred, nor is he a tribal. He is a Kashmiri Pakistani soldier (retired). The only reason I posted that picture was to to say that ethnic Kashmiris also fought alongside Pakistan.

I know about the person you have posted and I have immense respect for that gentleman. But he was not an ethnic Kashmiri, which the original poster was alluding to when he chose to pinpoint that other Pakistani gentleman.

You may call the tribals as terrorist, but fighting for your nation as a paramilitary force is not terrorism. Please don't simplify things. Fighting for your nation is also Jihad, so is defending yourself from a murderer, and even fighting against a burglar/thief trying to steal your possession. Those tribals were not brainwashed, otherwise they would have joined up with Afghanistan, these same tribals also fought off incursions from the Afghan side. They fought for Pakistan, and as a person of Kashmiri ancestry, I say thank you to them. Are you Kashmiri?

A soldier fighting for his nation is different from a non state fighter. Just like there is a difference between the Pakistani Army and the soldiers of Hafiz Saeed and Syed Salahuddin. Those tribals who invaded Kashmir in 1947 were more like mercenaries or armed gangs who did not adhere to any international or civilized norms. Even Pakistan disowned them distancing itself from their actions until they joined them in war with India. J&K was not the only state in British India there were more than 500. There was Redcliff line that was honored by both India and Pakistan. Both India and Pakistan took time to integrate the states into the union but these so called non state tribal mercenaries supported by Pakistan deviated from civilized norms causing the perennial discord. These people can not and should not be given the status of freedom fighters.

 

[Pakistani E]

A soldier fighting for his nation is different from a non state fighter. Just like there is a difference between the Pakistani Army and the soldiers of Hafiz Saeed and Syed Salahuddin. Those tribals who invaded Kashmir in 1947 were more like mercenaries or armed gangs who did not adhere to any international or civilized norms. Even Pakistan disowned them distancing itself from their actions until they joined them in war with India. J&K was not the only state in British India there were more than 500. There was Redcliff line that was honored by both India and Pakistan. Both India and Pakistan took time to integrate the states into the union but these so called non state tribal mercenaries supported by Pakistan deviated from civilized norms causing the perennial discord. These people can not and should not be given the status of freedom fighters.

Please, don't talk about the rights of princely states when India invaded Hyderabad. India should stop this hypocritical behavior. India took what she could because she had the power to do. And Pakistan did the same, albeit partially in the case of Jammu and Kashmir.

A non state or state fighter is a modern concept. Before these tribals even invaded there were several indigenous uprisings, the Pakistani Military high command was full of British Officers who refused to send in the Army to support these uprising which would have definitely been crushed if no help had come through.

You are continually choosing to simplify this conflict and paint a modern term and brush of state and non state actors. The uprising in Jammu and Kashmir kingdom also included defected elements from the Maharaja's army and veterans of the British Indian Army. They also became "non state actors" the moment they chose to revolt.

Also it's laughable that you say that both India and Pakistan took time to integrates states, India invaded Hyderabad, India invaded Goa. Please stop pretending India is so innocent, this was a war, and in war the combatants use all means available to them to achieve their objectives. Now if you wish to play the state and non state actor game, then go ahead. You are welcome to label anyone as mercenaries, you were on the other side of the conflict. Of course you are entitled to that opinion.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Please, don't talk about the rights of princely states when India invaded Hyderabad. India should stop this hypocritical behavior. India took what she could because she had the power to do. And Pakistan did the same, albeit partially in the case of Jammu and Kashmir.

A non state or state fighter is a modern concept. Before these tribals even invaded there were several indigenous uprisings, the Pakistani Military high command was full of British Officers who refused to send in the Army to support these uprising which would have definitely been crushed if no help had come through.

You are continually choosing to simplify this conflict and paint a modern term and brush of state and non state actors. The uprising in Jammu and Kashmir kingdom also included defected elements from the Maharaja's army and veterans of the British Indian Army. They also became "non state actors" the moment they chose to revolt.

Also it's laughable that you say that both India and Pakistan took time to integrates states, India invaded Hyderabad, India invaded Goa. Please stop pretending India is so innocent, this was a war, and in war the combatants use all means available to them to achieve their objectives. Now if you wish to play the state and non state actor game, then go ahead. You are welcome to label anyone as mercenaries, you were on the other side of the conflict. Of course you are entitled to that opinion.

Hyderabad thing happened much later than the invasion of Kashmir by Pakistan so Pakistan has lost its moral right to comment on Hyderabad.
Non state actors did not act in medieval period when the concept of nation state was not there. The fact they are called "non state actors" is because the concept of nation state had come into existence. Also the tribals were mostly non kashmiris supported by Pakistan. Shaikh Abdulla was also fighting for democracy in J&K much before 1947 and India gave them democracy just like the rest of India.
After the state of J&K was invaded by Pakistan supported tribals, India had no option but to expedite the matters of state integration. I hope you know that Goa was fought as late as 1961. 14 years were more than enough for Portuguese to leave India when British and French had already done peacefully.

 

[mrrehan]

Hyderabad thing happened much later than the invasion of Kashmir by Pakistan so Pakistan has lost its moral right to comment on Hyderabad.
Non state actors did not act in medieval period when the concept of nation state was not there. The fact they are called "non state actors" is because the concept of nation state had come into existence. Also the tribals were mostly non kashmiris supported by Pakistan. Shaikh Abdulla was also fighting for democracy in J&K much before 1947 and India gave them democracy just like the rest of India.
After the state of J&K was invaded by Pakistan supported tribals, India had no option but to expedite the matters of state integration. I hope you know that Goa was fought as late as 1961. 14 years were more than enough for Portuguese to leave India when British and French had already done peacefully.

India had the advantage when it comes to GOA And Hyderabad's geographical location. Not in Kashmir. That is why they gain some time. Where for kashmir according to India Accession letter sign on 26 oct 1947, on 27 oct 1947 mountbatten sign and the same day indian army was there. What a efficency.
The accession letter was signed by force by Indian army. Have ur openion dont change history.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

India had the advantage when it comes to GOA And Hyderabad's geographical location. Not in Kashmir. That is why they gain some time. Where for kashmir according to India Accession letter sign on 26 oct 1947, on 27 oct 1947 mountbatten sign and the same day indian army was there. What a efficency.
The accession letter was signed by force by Indian army. Have ur openion dont change history.

Facts can not be changed.
Maharaja of Kashmir sought India's military help which Nehru denied unless he agreed to accede his dominion to India which Maharaja willingly did as the other option was to be captured by Pakistan so he chose what he thought best. Indian Army was ready in anticipation and it had to get into a neighboring state so nothing is surprising. There was no foul play as India's Governor General was a British and he was involved all along.

 

[Fu huajiao]

Pakistani control Kashmir means that Pakistan can build road on it.

 

[mrrehan]

Facts can not be changed.
Maharaja of Kashmir sought India's military help which Nehru denied unless he agreed to accede his dominion to India which Maharaja willingly did as the other option was to be captured by Pakistan so he chose what he thought best. Indian Army was ready in anticipation and it had to get into a neighboring state so nothing is surprising. There was no foul play as India's Governor General was a British and he was involved all along.

>> Maharaja of Kashmir sought India's military help which Nehru denied

Yes in your part of history.

What about Plebiscite? Administrator *Advert Chester Nimitz* of US navy who was assigned to it but no plebiscite takes place??? Your delaying tactics *peace first*.On August 15 1947 the ruler of the state Nawab of Junagarh Manabhar Khanji acceded to Pakistan. Pakistan confirmed the acceptance of the accession in September 1947. India did not accept the accession as legitimate (This is what India really does). Nehru his self not a good character PM involved with Mountbatten wife is not hidden thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...rd-Mountbatten-wife-founder-modern-India.html

How he was dictating and eager in *his own words* writing letter to " PM of England Clement Attle "and not listening to even your highest respected "BAPU JEE" GANDHI. Have a look

Indian's claim Oct 26, 1947 date to accession letter signed by Maharaja Hari Singh, differs with the Maharaja Hari Singh son Dr. Karan Singh who said in your "rajya sabha" the date was Oct 27, 1947.

I can give you every answer but even then you will not be convinced. The mind set behind India an ideology seeking to establish the hegemony of Hindus and the Hindu way of life. That's why Pakistan is burning your hearts. India have serious problem with the existence of Pakistan from the first day. You might keep patching and make up you part of history but don't try to convince Pakistanis what is true about Kashmir.

 

[MultaniGuy]

CPEC is being built on Pakistan's side of LOC, so what is the problem.

I see no problem. Its just India barking.

 

[Fu huajiao]

War or Economy?

History of Indian roll with all the neighboring countries along her boarder. History of Indian economic growth and it fruitfulness towards its peoples.

Then negation of people rights of many states ending up with many separation struggles. Two of them along with Pakistani border. One in Indian held Kashmir and other in Indian Punjab. India cannot afford disruption in with CPEC project because that directly comes in conflicts with Chinese interests in the region. As Chinese are closer reality then Americans.

America has exhausted by all its war oriented economy and unable to cope with what remains uncontrolled proxies . Europe is not financially stable and certainly not with America any more with any war, and this is America first policy era any way. This is era of economy and economy. Everyone have exhausted with aggression. Day by day CPEC member countries are increasing especially IRAN. Countries are looking for future economic prospect with this regional project. India is losing support day by day. Indian failed to prove Pakistan terrorist state or Isolation of Pakistan. And why in heaven china will listen to Indian leaving centuries big deal that alone make west of china economic-leap in future. If India can go for CHABAHAR in IRAN, Why not China go for GAWADAR at its door step.

On the other hand the success and capability of Pakistan Arm forces are well recognized internationally now. "Thanks India for cold start doctrine (The biggest exercise ever)" and also prepare Pakistanis to war like situation for ten+ years .

Even then who will help India in an event of war with Pakistan. America? Russia? France? I don't know others but one thing is sure a weak India in war will lose control on its states in east and west significantly. Perhaps that is why the next war if it is unavoidable will be fought out of Punjab.

As far as buying foreign weapons from international market is concern. Without capability building weapon doesn't count. And International weapons market is there to earn from India a place where they can sell without any sanctions worries.

Pakistan strategy is quite smart fight with as much with local produce, build capacity, improve or produce locally in the last wait, watch, buy smart that is sufficient for the scenario.

Indians build "Indi Genius" first waist money and time then ask for help with International market meanwhile buy International solutions.

Hoping one day India will recognize the respect for PAKISTAN. A historic proved that Pakistan is not Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan or Burma.

Whatever you have done with Pakistan will come to you one day soon......