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China, Pakistan, and Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Recent evidence regarding China’s involvement in Pakistan’s nuclear program should provoke international scrutiny.


China’s confirmation that it is involved in at least six nuclear power projects in Pakistan underscores long-standing concerns over both the manner in which both China and Pakistan have gone about engaging in nuclear commerce and the lack of transparency around China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation in general. The guidelines of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a 48-nation body that regulates the export of civilian nuclear technology, prohibit the export of such technology to states, like Pakistan, that have not adopted full-scope International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards. Yet over the last decade, China has accelerated nuclear commerce with Pakistan while contending that its actions are in compliance with NSG guidelines, an argument that is not entirely convincing.

Today, China is not only a violator of global nuclear non-proliferation norms, but also presents the most convincing evidence of the non-proliferation regime’s ineffectiveness. The pattern of its behavior on the nuclear front as it relates to Pakistan goes well beyond the scope of what may be construed as the state’s legitimate ambition to be a leader in the supply of civilian nuclear technology.

Some writers blame the 2005 U.S.-India nuclear agreement as having been a catalyst to China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation. But this is a false proposition, since China’s nuclear relationship with Pakistan, both military and civilian, precedes the U.S.-India nuclear deal by decades. Moreover, while the U.S.-India agreement was aimed at bringing India into the mainstream of nuclear commerce and global nonproliferation efforts, the China-Pakistan relationship is designed to operate effectively outside of the mainstream.

As Ashley Tellis, senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace noted in 2010, “…the Bush administration spent considerable energy from October 2005 until the final extraordinary plenary in September 2008—consulting with its NSG partners during eight meetings over four years…to finally secure the special waiver for India that exempted it from the constraining condition of full-scope safeguards. The current Sino-Pakistani nuclear transaction could not be more different.”

Pakistan’s own interest in nuclear technology dates back to the 1960s. In March 1965, Pakistan’s then-Foreign Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto declared in an interview with the Manchester Guardian that if India were to produce a nuclear weapon, Pakistan “should have to eat grass and get one, or build one of our own.” A few months prior to India’s “Smiling Buddha” nuclear test in 1974, Bhutto met with top Pakistani scientists to begin work on a Pakistani nuclear device, codenamed Project 706. Bhutto enlisted the services of the now-infamous AQ Khan, who stole blueprints for centrifuge technology and contact information of vendors that sold centrifuge components from his employer, a research laboratory in the Netherlands.

Back in Pakistan, AQ Khan began work on the development of Pakistan’s indigenous uranium enrichment capability at a gas centrifuge facility in Kahuta, near Rawalpindi. The first signs of Sino-Pakistani nuclear cooperation emerged in 1977. U.S. government officials noted China’s commitment to Pakistan to provide “fuel services” and that Chinese technicians visited at Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP) to familiarize themselves with the operation of the reactor. By 1978, Khan was able to produce small quantities of enriched reactor-grade uranium at Kahuta.

China’s assistance ultimately proved to be pivotal in Pakistan’s pursuit of the nuclear bomb. In 1982, according to AQ Khan, China provided Pakistan 50 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium, enough to make two nuclear bombs, as part of a “broad-ranging, secret nuclear deal” between Mao Zedong and Bhutto. The following year, China reportedly provided Pakistan the complete design for a 25 kt nuclear bomb. A State Department memo at the time concluded that “China has provided assistance to Pakistan’s program to develop a nuclear weapons capability. Over the past several years, China and Pakistan have maintained contacts in the nuclear field…[w]e now believe cooperation has taken place in the area of fissile material production and possibly also nuclear weapons design.”

The U.S. Atomic Energy Act (1954) requires termination of U.S. nuclear exports if countries are determined by the president to be assisting non-nuclear weapons states in acquiring nuclear weapons capabilities. Although successive U.S. administrations were aware of Pakistan and China’s clandestine nuclear cooperation, they did not sufficiently press either China or Pakistan nor threaten to terminate nuclear commerce with China.

China, for its part, continued to stringently deny any role in providing assistance to the Pakistani nuclear program. At a state dinner in Washington, D.C., Premier Zhao Ziyang declared, “We do not advocate or encourage nuclear proliferation. We do not engage in nuclear proliferation ourselves, nor do we help other countries develop nuclear weapons.” But by 1985, Pakistan’s Kahuta facility, as a result of technical assistance from China, had successfully been able to produce the quantities of highly-enriched uranium needed to build a nuclear bomb. For the first time since discovering Pakistan’s nuclear ambitions and China’s illegal assistance, the U.S. government refused to certify that Pakistan had not assembled a nuclear device in 1990, which resulted in the suspension of U.S. military and economic aid to Pakistan per the Pressler Amendment.

U.S. pressure, however, did little to constrain Chinese assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear program, even as China moved toward becoming a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT). In January 1992, barely two months before it acceded to the NPT, China announced the construction of a nuclear power plant in Pakistan. Concerns that Chinese safeguards were not tough enough to prevent a diversion of nuclear resources to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program resulted in the U.S. issuing a demarche to China.

China’s appetite for proliferation remained undiminished even after it acceded to the NPT. In 1995, it allegedly sold Pakistan 5,000 ring magnets needed for high-speed gas centrifuges, while a U.S. intelligence report in 1997 held that “China was the single most important supplier of equipment and technology for weapons of mass destruction” in the world.

China’s civil nuclear trade commitments with Pakistan have gained considerable momentum since Pakistan’s nuclear tests in May 1998. The China-Pakistan Power Plant Corporation’s Chashma-1 and Chashma-2 power reactors, which were under item-specific IAEA safeguards, were held not to be in violation of NSG guidelines as they were pre-existing commitments and thus “grandfathered” in at the time of China’s induction into the NSG in 2004. However, China then entered into agreements in 2009 for the construction of two new 340 MW power plants (Chashma-3 and Chashma-4). There have since been reports of undertakings for the construction of additional plants in Chashma and Karachi.

Some in Pakistan have argued that these commitments date back to a 1986 agreement with China on cooperation in construction and operation of nuclear reactors for an initial period of 30 years, and thus not in violation of NSG guidelines. This spurious argument, if accepted, implies that China can continue to commit to any number of additional nuclear projects in Pakistan without any repercussions. It is another matter that the actual text of the so-called 1986 agreement remains unreleased and shrouded in mystery, thereby preventing the international community from validating Chinese and Pakistani representations.

China has demonstrated remarkable consistency over four decades in acting in ways that undermine with impunity the global non-proliferation regime. Its nuclear deals with Pakistan – both military and civilian – were conceived and executed in secrecy. The recent news articles now confirm that China remains committed to a long-term nuclear relationship with Pakistan under its own terms. This is a pattern of behavior that is unlikely to change without the application of sustained international pressure to bring China into compliance with the commitments it has undertaken.

China, Pakistan, and Nuclear Non-Proliferation | The Diplomat

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@Horus @syedali73 if i am not wrong then Pakistan got a lot of help from other countries in missile tech including china,north Korea and Ukraine, but designed it's first cruise missile itself in 2005 when Indians were not having any knowledge of it, i have seem many insane over here who are claiming that china provided us help in designing nukes,first of all Pakistan did provided some help to china in field but Pakistan got never any help from china in design of nukes,until 90's (nukes were ready about 14 years before tests in 1998)no foreign person including Chinese were allowed to visit Labs and Testing facilities it was only after Pakistan still being an underdeveloped country did lot of advancement in Nuclear field and then Chinese realized that Pakistan is still able to counter India and it is a reliable friend who is capable of doing something on it's own.correct me seniors because there are lot of folks on this forum who think every thing they make in indigenous and we have painted Chinese with our designations....
 
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China, Pakistan, and Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Recent evidence regarding China’s involvement in Pakistan’s nuclear program should provoke international scrutiny.


China’s confirmation that it is involved in at least six nuclear power projects in Pakistan underscores long-standing concerns over both the manner in which both China and Pakistan have gone about engaging in nuclear commerce and the lack of transparency around China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation in general. The guidelines of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a 48-nation body that regulates the export of civilian nuclear technology, prohibit the export of such technology to states, like Pakistan, that have not adopted full-scope International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards. Yet over the last decade, China has accelerated nuclear commerce with Pakistan while contending that its actions are in compliance with NSG guidelines, an argument that is not entirely convincing.

Today, China is not only a violator of global nuclear non-proliferation norms, but also presents the most convincing evidence of the non-proliferation regime’s ineffectiveness. The pattern of its behavior on the nuclear front as it relates to Pakistan goes well beyond the scope of what may be construed as the state’s legitimate ambition to be a leader in the supply of civilian nuclear technology.

Some writers blame the 2005 U.S.-India nuclear agreement as having been a catalyst to China-Pakistan nuclear cooperation. But this is a false proposition, since China’s nuclear relationship with Pakistan, both military and civilian, precedes the U.S.-India nuclear deal by decades. Moreover, while the U.S.-India agreement was aimed at bringing India into the mainstream of nuclear commerce and global nonproliferation efforts, the China-Pakistan relationship is designed to operate effectively outside of the mainstream.

As Ashley Tellis, senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace noted in 2010, “…the Bush administration spent considerable energy from October 2005 until the final extraordinary plenary in September 2008—consulting with its NSG partners during eight meetings over four years…to finally secure the special waiver for India that exempted it from the constraining condition of full-scope safeguards. The current Sino-Pakistani nuclear transaction could not be more different.”

Pakistan’s own interest in nuclear technology dates back to the 1960s. In March 1965, Pakistan’s then-Foreign Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto declared in an interview with the Manchester Guardian that if India were to produce a nuclear weapon, Pakistan “should have to eat grass and get one, or build one of our own.” A few months prior to India’s “Smiling Buddha” nuclear test in 1974, Bhutto met with top Pakistani scientists to begin work on a Pakistani nuclear device, codenamed Project 706. Bhutto enlisted the services of the now-infamous AQ Khan, who stole blueprints for centrifuge technology and contact information of vendors that sold centrifuge components from his employer, a research laboratory in the Netherlands.

Back in Pakistan, AQ Khan began work on the development of Pakistan’s indigenous uranium enrichment capability at a gas centrifuge facility in Kahuta, near Rawalpindi. The first signs of Sino-Pakistani nuclear cooperation emerged in 1977. U.S. government officials noted China’s commitment to Pakistan to provide “fuel services” and that Chinese technicians visited at Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP) to familiarize themselves with the operation of the reactor. By 1978, Khan was able to produce small quantities of enriched reactor-grade uranium at Kahuta.

China’s assistance ultimately proved to be pivotal in Pakistan’s pursuit of the nuclear bomb. In 1982, according to AQ Khan, China provided Pakistan 50 kilograms of weapons-grade uranium, enough to make two nuclear bombs, as part of a “broad-ranging, secret nuclear deal” between Mao Zedong and Bhutto. The following year, China reportedly provided Pakistan the complete design for a 25 kt nuclear bomb. A State Department memo at the time concluded that “China has provided assistance to Pakistan’s program to develop a nuclear weapons capability. Over the past several years, China and Pakistan have maintained contacts in the nuclear field…[w]e now believe cooperation has taken place in the area of fissile material production and possibly also nuclear weapons design.”

The U.S. Atomic Energy Act (1954) requires termination of U.S. nuclear exports if countries are determined by the president to be assisting non-nuclear weapons states in acquiring nuclear weapons capabilities. Although successive U.S. administrations were aware of Pakistan and China’s clandestine nuclear cooperation, they did not sufficiently press either China or Pakistan nor threaten to terminate nuclear commerce with China.

China, for its part, continued to stringently deny any role in providing assistance to the Pakistani nuclear program. At a state dinner in Washington, D.C., Premier Zhao Ziyang declared, “We do not advocate or encourage nuclear proliferation. We do not engage in nuclear proliferation ourselves, nor do we help other countries develop nuclear weapons.” But by 1985, Pakistan’s Kahuta facility, as a result of technical assistance from China, had successfully been able to produce the quantities of highly-enriched uranium needed to build a nuclear bomb. For the first time since discovering Pakistan’s nuclear ambitions and China’s illegal assistance, the U.S. government refused to certify that Pakistan had not assembled a nuclear device in 1990, which resulted in the suspension of U.S. military and economic aid to Pakistan per the Pressler Amendment.

U.S. pressure, however, did little to constrain Chinese assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear program, even as China moved toward becoming a signatory to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT). In January 1992, barely two months before it acceded to the NPT, China announced the construction of a nuclear power plant in Pakistan. Concerns that Chinese safeguards were not tough enough to prevent a diversion of nuclear resources to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program resulted in the U.S. issuing a demarche to China.

China’s appetite for proliferation remained undiminished even after it acceded to the NPT. In 1995, it allegedly sold Pakistan 5,000 ring magnets needed for high-speed gas centrifuges, while a U.S. intelligence report in 1997 held that “China was the single most important supplier of equipment and technology for weapons of mass destruction” in the world.

China’s civil nuclear trade commitments with Pakistan have gained considerable momentum since Pakistan’s nuclear tests in May 1998. The China-Pakistan Power Plant Corporation’s Chashma-1 and Chashma-2 power reactors, which were under item-specific IAEA safeguards, were held not to be in violation of NSG guidelines as they were pre-existing commitments and thus “grandfathered” in at the time of China’s induction into the NSG in 2004. However, China then entered into agreements in 2009 for the construction of two new 340 MW power plants (Chashma-3 and Chashma-4). There have since been reports of undertakings for the construction of additional plants in Chashma and Karachi.

Some in Pakistan have argued that these commitments date back to a 1986 agreement with China on cooperation in construction and operation of nuclear reactors for an initial period of 30 years, and thus not in violation of NSG guidelines. This spurious argument, if accepted, implies that China can continue to commit to any number of additional nuclear projects in Pakistan without any repercussions. It is another matter that the actual text of the so-called 1986 agreement remains unreleased and shrouded in mystery, thereby preventing the international community from validating Chinese and Pakistani representations.

China has demonstrated remarkable consistency over four decades in acting in ways that undermine with impunity the global non-proliferation regime. Its nuclear deals with Pakistan – both military and civilian – were conceived and executed in secrecy. The recent news articles now confirm that China remains committed to a long-term nuclear relationship with Pakistan under its own terms. This is a pattern of behavior that is unlikely to change without the application of sustained international pressure to bring China into compliance with the commitments it has undertaken.

China, Pakistan, and Nuclear Non-Proliferation | The Diplomat

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These plants will be used for both producing electricity as well as nukes and more nukes and more nukes.
 
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@Horus @syedali73 ...correct me seniors because there are lot of folks on this forum who think every thing they make in indigenous and we have painted Chinese with our designations....
Does their perception mean anything? Even if this is the case, the fact is we got those toys, and will use them in an eventuality.
 
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As Gary Milhollin (of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear arms control) Puts it..
“If you subtract Chinese assistance from the Pakistani nuclear weapons program, there is no program".
Lol
Now, ostensibly in November 2014 after the announcement that Iran was about to sign a deal with Western negotiators concerning its nuclear program(the date of which was later extended) an ex Chinese ambassador to Tehran, Hua Liming said that it was Beijing which deserved credit for brokering the agreement. “When the two parties came across irresolvable problems, they would come to China, which would ‘lubricate’ the negotiation and put things back on track"- Hua's statement.
China has not just helped Pakistan and Iran in their nuclear programme but also rogue states like North Korea.
Since North Korea and Iran 're not an immediate threat to india, we should not really be concerned bout 'em.

But let me take your attention to something more important, that while China was ready to help Pakistan with technology, they were not ready to fund it. So who pumped money into Pakistan's nuclear programme???
Not hard to guess!!
Pakistan used some civilisational logic to raise funds. I can't take names here.Ahem!!!
I can just give a hint that "this is how China came close to the Arab world".
So you see, Pakistan has more than one partner-in-crime. :angel:


@Horus @syedali73 if i am not wrong then Pakistan got a lot of help from other countries in missile tech including china,north Korea and Ukraine, but designed it's first cruise missile itself in 2005 when Indians were not having any knowledge of it, i have seem many insane over here who are claiming that china provided us help in designing nukes,first of all Pakistan did provided some help to china in field but Pakistan got never any help from china in design of nukes,until 90's (nukes were ready about 14 years before tests in 1998)no foreign person including Chinese were allowed to visit Labs and Testing facilities it was only after Pakistan still being an underdeveloped country did lot of advancement in Nuclear field and then Chinese realized that Pakistan is still able to counter India and it is a reliable friend who is capable of doing something on it's own.correct me seniors because there are lot of folks on this forum who think every thing they make in indigenous and we have painted Chinese with our designations....
Sorry to rain on your party but let me clear a few doubts here
1) North Korea itself gets help from China,so whatever help Pakistan gets from North Korea (as you think) is nothing but China's help to you (directly or indirectly).
2) flashback 1970's:
Check Bhutto's diaries to know how many trips he made to China between 1971 and 1976 to get some assistance in nuclear weapon technology??
He went thrice to China!! (I can't say about other pawns in the game).
China took its time to assess the prospects and consequences of helping Pakistan and finally agreed. :)
 
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So you see, Pakistan has more than one partner in crime. :angel:
Which crime? Are you going nuts or have lost control over choosing the right words? India stole nuclear material from the Canadian -supplied reactor (supplied solely for civilian purposes) and went on with 'smiling Buddha'; it was fine? Pakistan went for it, and it became a crime. I'll suggest you to be a little judicious with the selection of words here, for you cant declare the same thing acceptable for India but unacceptable for Pakistan.

The morons also need to learn (or if they bother to check back the old record) that Pakistan's economy was ahead of India in late 70s and early 80s. We were not depending on gulf countries for our nuclear program. Besides, the Arabs were not stupid to invest in a program whose hope of being successful was dubious t best. If Arabs have made any contribution, it happened much later after AQ lab already showed their success in Uranium enrichment.
 
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Which crime? Are you going nuts or have lost control over choosing the right words? India stole nuclear material from the Canadian -supplied reactor (supplied solely for civilian purposes) and went on with 'smiling Buddha' was fine; Pakistan went for it, and it became crime. I'll suggest you to be a little judicious with the selection of words here, for you cant declare the same thing acceptable for India but unacceptable for Pakistan
The morons also need to learn..
1) mind your language.
2) Do you believe in the theory "survival of the fittest"???
I didn't mention anything about India's nuclear programme, re-read my post pls. :)

Btw I hope you got the drift of it. Lol

And so now, do you have anything to say about the topic, which is the Sino-Pak axis (and the nuclear weapons)??
 
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2) flashback 1970's:
Check Bhutto's diaries to know how many trips he made to China between 1971 and 1976 to get some assistance in nuclear weapon technology??
He went thrice to China!! (I can't say about other pawns in the game).
Bhutto was founder of HIT and PAC kamra that were constructed with help from PRC from 1971 to 1980 and several other ammunation manufacturing facilities....
China took its time to assess the prospects and consequences of helping Pakistan and finally agreed. :)
1) North Korea itself gets help from China,so whatever help Pakistan gets from North Korea (as you think) is nothing but China's help to you (directly or indirectly).
North Korea got all of help regarding Scuds from Soviets,Chinese never used scuds...
 
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Do you believe in the theory "survival of the fittest"???

I didn't mention anything about India's nuclear programme, re-read my post pls. :)

Btw I hope you got the drift of it. Lol

And so now, do you have anything to say about the topic, which is the Sino-Pak axis (and the nuclear weapons)??
All I have to say is that you be careful with the words you use. You hatred for Pakistan is understandable but you are on a Pakistani forum and your privileges to sling mud on Pakistan and twisting the facts shamelessly and deliberately are rather limited.
 
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North Korea got all of help regarding Scuds from Soviets,Chinese never used scuds...
I assumed you were talking about HEUs and Pak's nuclear programme.


All I have to say is that you be careful with the words you use. You hatred for Pakistan is understandable but you are on a Pakistani forum and your privileges to sling mud on Pakistan and deliberate fact twisting are rather limited.
Whoever told you I hate Pakistan!!
I love Pakistan... because it was a part of my country 67yrs back.
Not so long back I believed that India and Pak could mend their relationship and get back together, though not any more. Now I know partition was a boon in disguise.
But again, I don't hate Pakistan, nor do I hate Pakistanis but I hate the lies (from the mouths of politicians) which comes from across the border.
Btw "Partner in crime" is an idiom!!
And it doesn't necessarily mean a crime and I believe every country has the right to protect itself.
And as a TTA you should be someone who should stick to forum etiquette than making personal attacks on members here. My experience as a mod in another forum helps me In refraining myself from stooping that low.

Btw, we 're very off topic, I'll not reply back to your next post unless it's about the topic of this thread.
 
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I love Pakistan... because it was a part of my country 67yrs back.
Which country,a torn SA consisting of several princely states,merged after 1947 to form Bharat and Pakistan....lol
 
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And as a TTA you should be someone who should stick to forum etiquette than making personal attacks on members here. My experience as a mod in another forum helps me In refraining myself from stopping that low.

Btw, we 're very off topic, I'll not reply back to your next post unless it's about the topic of this thread.
Do not educate me what to do. Your hatred for Pakistan is more obvious to Pakistanis than you think. Baghal mein chhuree, moon mein Ram Ram. Better exercise your morals in the forum where you are a Mod.
 
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Which country,a torn SA consisting of several princely states,merged after 1947 to form Bharat and Pakistan....lol
Off topic!!
I'll reply back to this if am tagged on a more appropriate thread.

Do not educate me what to do. Your hate for Pakistan is more obvious to Pakistanis than you think. Baghal mein chhuree, moon mein Ram Ram. Better exercise your morals in the forum where you are a Mod.
Off topic and personal attack!!
I will report your post if you continued to misconstrue my posts.
 
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