China & Pak: Russia’s Not Stopping the Flow of JF-17 Engines

[bluefox]

Same goes for F-16 Blk 52 whose price is high as compared to SU-30mki(even SU-30 is twin engined heavy weight fighter, having weight which is double as compared to single engine medium weight F-16 blk52), so from now on, i hope i would not see any one comparing SU-30MKI with F-16 Blk52.

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lock the thread !

Oh comon dude!!donot argue where there's no logic or scope of argument.
Well can u prove me that JF 17 is better to mig 29 Smt/Mig 29 k which russia is offering now??
More over ur trying to compare 2 planes which are of the same generation hence the tech used will be the same,but MIG has evolved for 3/4 versions with dozens of changes to impove its performance while Jf17 is just a rookie and has to *** the test of time..

and if u think f 16 block 52 is better than su 30 mki then i cant

 

[PakSher]

500 engines wont give u 500 planes.Each plane need atleast a spare engine ..

By the time we will have the 500 engines, we will have our own engine, so it will be even better.

 

[Agni 5]

Good news for pakistan.

But it is long way.......................................................................................end we don't know.

 

[Hasnain2009]

Oh comon dude!!donot argue where there's no logic or scope of argument.
Well can u prove me that JF 17 is better to mig 29 Smt/Mig 29 k which russia is offering now??
More over ur trying to compare 2 planes which are of the same generation hence the tech used will be the same,but MIG has evolved for 3/4 versions with dozens of changes to impove its performance while Jf17 is just a rookie and has to *** the test of time..

and if u think f 16 block 52 is better than su 30 mki then i cant

F-16 Blk 52+will detect Su-30mki before Su-30mki detects F-16 blk 52, F-16 blk 52 is armed with AIM-120C-5 which has better range and has more probability to make a kill, F-16 blk 52 has better avionics and better electronic suite and jamming capabilities.

But u will not consider above info enough, so u need to re-memorize the indian response to the sale of F-16 blk 52+'s to pakistan.

If F-16blk52 is inferior to SU-30mki then why India initially sent the RFI for a F-16C/D Block 52+ configuration aircraft for the ongoing Indian MRCA competition to supply the Indian Air Force with 126 Multi-Role Combat Aircraft?

Buddy ur media has overrated su-30mki, but ur army and generals knows the truth.

Thats why someone from ur air force said after siting in the cockpit of F-16, that planes should be made for winning wars not doing cobra maneuvers , he was criticizing russians, thats why now india will not buy Mig35, india would buy F-18/rafale/typhoon, and u would hate to know that u will not get F-18 before 3-5 years, and with F-18 u will get ability to fire AIM-120c-5, which pakistans F-16 blk 52+ already has, and Typhoon cant fire Aim-120c5, it can only fire 60km MICA BVR.

And last point, Dont tell me that ur govt and army, airforce is stupid that they sent RFI for F-16blk 52 for MCRA competition?

 

[MZUBAIR]

Read todays newz paper,...................Roa Qamar says there is no problem in JF-17 Engine

 

[pshamim]

Amazing how soon the Russian change their tune and then come up with an excuse. Evidently a bad news for those who were very happy with the earlier news that Russians had blocked the sale. Pakistan keeps all its options open. ACM's comments regarding engines were true. This news should stop any more speculation.

Russia will continue to supply engines for the Chinese fighter
This, as reported by Interfax , said the deputy director of Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheyev, noting that the performance characteristics of the Chinese aircraft are still far from the Russian. On the eve of a similar statement was made and CEO of Sukhoi and MiG Mikhail Pogosyan .

In early July 2010 the newspaper Kommersant wrote that the Sukhoi and MiG opposed a new contract with China for engines RD-93, which are used on fighter FC-1 (JF-17) and their export options . The newspaper said the company opposed the deal with China, because the latter intends to FC-1 in Egypt. At the same market going to go MiG with the MiG-29. In April 2010 Mikheev visited Egypt, where he held talks on the possible supply of country 32 MiG-29.

China often buy engines for its fighters in Russia, as power plants, produced in China can not provide the necessary power and have a low resource. In 2005, China bought a hundred RD-93 valued at 238 million dollars. In addition, China signed the framework agreement for the supply of 500 power plants. At the same time, China announced that it is ready to buy a thousand upgraded engines with increased thrust.

In January 2009, China has acquired in Russia 122 AL-31FN engines for its J-10 fighter. The purchase price amounted to half a billion dollars. http://translate.google.com/translat...ogle.com&twu=1

 

[ptldM3]

F-16 Blk 52+will detect Su-30mki before Su-30mki detects F-16 blk 52, F-16 blk 52 is armed with AIM-120C-5 which has better range and has more probability to make a kill, F-16 blk 52 has better avionics and better electronic suite and jamming capabilities.

When did you get a chance to test the R-77's kill probability to come to that conclusion?

And why does Israel use those same jammers that are in the MKI in their F-16's if the blk 52 has better ones?

 

[Nav]

@indian guys ,
Russian's need money for that sake why should they stop flow of engines? Even thy saying they dnt have any prblm with chinese who are copying their jets.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

When did you get a chance to test the R-77's kill probability to come to that conclusion?

And why does Israel use those same jammers that are in the MKI in their F-16's if the blk 52 has better ones?

May be Israel does not trusts NATO

 

[ptldM3]

May be Israel does not trusts NATO

Sorry Israel doesn't answer to anyone and they sure as heck do not care about anyone in NATO besides America and America is always on their side. Even if your guess has some truth i do not see why Israel would downgrade their avionics in the name of not trusting NATO.

 

[Hasnain2009]

When did you get a chance to test the R-77's kill probability to come to that conclusion?

I have no doubt abt R-77's accuracy, i said so bcoz the range of AIM-120c-5 higher then the range of R-77, so if both missiles are fired from 100km then AIM-120c5 will have more kill probability.

And why does Israel use those same jammers that are in the MKI in their F-16's if the blk 52 has better ones?

Currently we are using KLJ-7 radar on our JF-17 and will use KLJ-10 in future while AESA from western sources is also available, does that means KLJ-7 is superior to western AESA?

Absolutely no...sometimes people also check how their indigenous equipments work, sometimes there are budget limitations.

 

[pshamim]

At General Dynamics we did a study of Flankers and its impact on our Business Development efforts internationally and the results surprised us.

We need to be very careful when comparing Flankers with other aircrafts. Realistically, it is one of the best if not the best among the 4th gen. brood.

I will try penning down a post based on the lessons learnt.

We can put BVR capable F-16s and JF-17 against any aircraft in the Indian inventory but SU-30 is a beast which will not be easy to kill. Though US has devised scenerios to confront and tame it if and when needed.

 

[ptldM3]

I have no doubt abt R-77's accuracy, i said so bcoz the range of AIM-120c-5 higher then the range of R-77, so if both missiles are fired from 100km then AIM-120c5 will have more kill probability.

No pilot not even a rookie would fire from those ranges, and the R-77 is said to have a range of 110km, at least the version that was offered to India.

Currently we are using KLJ-7 radar on our JF-17 and will use KLJ-10 in future while AESA from western sources is also available, does that means KLJ-7 is superior to western AESA?

No it just means a good AESA is NOT guaranteed unless you call the Vixen 500 good.