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Chinese had an ambitious plan, got to give them that. No problem if they failed, its part of development process. Only those succeeds who never gives up and learn from mistakes. Best of luck next time and bring glory to Asia.
 
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Spacerockets are critical systems... Failure is a normal thing in first launches!

Best of luck to the Chinese scientists and engineers...
 
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They can learn from Mistakes.
Testing it and failing is way better than not testing at all.
Good Luck next time.
 
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As per estimates the total loss to chinese exchequers due to repeated FAILURES of chinese rockets is now reached 4 billion usd.
Also the expected flight to Mars is now delayed indefinetly .
Its very shameful that chinese tv was broadcasting the launch live for one of the few times and the whole world saw the chinese incompetence on display again.


But 4 failures in 18 months across different platforms shows chronic incompetence.


This failure doesnt change the fact that India is still lag far behind china in space technology right?
 
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Well thing happens, it's tough to master what's unknown, space is brutal and only allow survival of fittest, it should not be termed as failure but rather learning about stuff which will make it fail. Better luck next time.


not supporting anyone, but the reaction of Chinese members about an Indian launch failure wouldn't be any different.

regards.

Neither China nor the cheerleading squad, they will never appriciate Indian effort, even if rarely they do they will try downplay it comparing with some failed Chinese rocket, sheer jealousy might be

That was a scam I heard.

Yup that project was a scam, it's down dusted and gone, and took along 100's of millions of investors money along as per the reports.

Similar report is surfacing for latest toy, rail less train, which follows some sort of markings.
 
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Jul 03, 2017 06:24 AM
China to Rocket Its Shared Economy Into Space — the Final Frontier
By Huang Rong and Teng Jing Xuan

China’s booming sharing economy is blasting off into space — with a telescope that satellite users can rent by the hour to look at distant stars and planets.

The satellite will allow space lovers to log onto a web portal to use professional astronomy equipment for 2,000 yuan ($295) to 3,000 yuan per hour. The project is the brainchild of Changsha-based company Tianyi Space Research Institute.

The time-share satellite is expected to go online next year, Tianyi CEO Yang Feng told Caixin.

Tianyi is one of a handful of commercial space companies in China that’s breaking new ground in an industry that has been dominated by state agencies for decades.

But in 2015, China’s National Development and Reform Commission, the Ministry of Finance, and the Commission on Science, Technology, and Industry for National Defense jointly issued a 10-year plan for developing the commercial space industry.

Although there are only around a dozen commercial space enterprises in the country, the nascent field has already attracted significant investor attention. On May 18, rocket design startup One Space Technology announced that, months after completing its A-round of financing last year, it had secured an unspecified amount of funding from Chongqing Two Rivers Aviation Industry Investment Group.

Weeks earlier, Tianyi announced that it had raised close to 100 million yuan in its own A-round of financing.

But while some investors are optimistic, China has a long way to go before its commercial space industry catches up with the likes of U.S.-based SpaceX and OneWeb, industry insiders told Caixin.

Space labs

Tianyi’s time-share telescope won’t be the first satellite launched into orbit by the 2-year-old startup.

Since its founding in May 2015, Tianyi has developed cube-shaped microsatellites weighing less than a kilogram (2.2 pounds) each and smaller than a fist. Founder Yang Feng chose to specialize in offering scientific-experiment and equipment-testing services. The company has already helped an engineering professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences conduct microgravity experiments using one of their microsatellites.

One factor that attracted the engineering professor to Tianyi’s services was its relatively low prices. Unlike expensive military-grade satellites, one of Tianyi’s cube satellites costs only around 1 million yuan to construct and can be rented for tens of thousands of yuan, a low rate in the industry, Yang told Caixin.

The professor’s microgravity chemistry experiments involved volatile substances that could easily damage a satellite, so Tianyi’s lower-cost cube satellites were selected to minimize possible losses.

“At the moment, the commercial satellite industry is most optimistic about demand from science labs,” said Li Ming, the executive director of Legend Star, a venture capital fund that invested in Tianyi. Conducting experiments in space using state agencies’ satellites requires a long wait, “but small commercial satellites are low-cost, and don’t have waiting lists, so they can fulfill many labs’ needs,” Li told Caixin.

Commercial communications satellites

Kechuang SA, another commercial microsatellite maker, is taking a different approach, marketing its services to business clients looking for communications solutions.

One of Kechuang’s biggest clients and investors is Red Flag Software. In addition to designing software, Red Flag is also involved in collecting agricultural data, such as soil moisture and wind direction, from around the world.

Red Flag’s agricultural big-data network currently relies mainly on base radio stations, which have multiple drawbacks, like limited coverage, and poor signal reception in sparsely inhabited areas. To expand their network to areas unsuitable for installing base stations, Red Flag needs satellites, Kechuang CEO Ruo Shu told Caixin.

Kechuang launched its first communications satellite, the KS-1Q, in November, and plans to launch a second in 2018.

Eventually, Ruo hopes the company will have a 70-strong network of satellites providing global coverage, at a cost of less than 70 million yuan.

There are still many technical hurdles to be overcome, Ruo told Caixin. Microsatellites are cheaper to build but less reliable, and 20% to 30% fail to function normally after entering orbit, Ruo told Caixin.

Additionally, commercial communications satellite operators have to go through a long process of applying with China’s Ministry of State Security and the UN’s International Telecommunications Union for a designated signal frequency.

Rocket bottleneck

Regardless of business strategy, China’s satellite companies are all dependent on rocket builders to launch their products into space.

But China only has a handful of rocket launch sites, and all rockets currently in use are owned by two large military-owned businesses, China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp. and China Aerospace Science & Industry Corp., creating a bottleneck for space entrepreneurs hoping to launch their ideas into action.

“In the past few years, domestic rocket-launch services have reached their saturation point, and the demand from government and commercial clients has caused the three main launch sites to be in a state of constant frenetic activity,” Liu Yufei, deputy director at privately owned, Beijing-based Hangtian Jia Gongcheng Technology Research Institute, told Caixin.

One Space, founded in 2015, is one of three private rocket startups hoping to change this. The Beijing-based company is developing its first rocket, Xinshi 1, which it hopes to launch in 2018.

A poorly developed supply chain means rocket designers frequently have to start over if a deal with a supplier falls through, especially since China’s space industry is still dominated by state-owned companies. “Some state-owned companies sign a contract, but if the leader vetoes the deal, that’s it,” Shu said.

“This is One Space’s third year in existence, but we still have some time to go before we achieve the launch of our first rocket,” founder Shu Chang said.

Another issue that rocket companies face is military control of launch sites, Ding Runqiang, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ venture capital fund Cash Capital, told Caixin. “One rocket can carry 100 satellites into space, but how many rockets can you launch each year?” Ding asked.

Additionally, private rocket companies face stiff competition from the two state-owned launch service providers. “Launch costs make up only around 10% of overall costs for satellite companies,” Ruo told Caixin. “The most important consideration is safety,” not price, so clients gravitate toward well-tested military rockets rather than newcomers, Ruo said.

Still, some are optimistic about the future of commercial rocket companies. In May, ZerOne announced that it had received close to 300 million yuan in funding for a Chongqing production plant.

“A lot of demand for rocket launch services is actually currently suppressed,” an industry insider told Caixin. “If launch resources expand, demand will also grow. Two state-owned companies won’t be enough to satisfy the market’s needs, and there’s still room for private companies.”
 
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Exactly, and that is what I am reminding my Chinese friends, @rott @Han Patriot @kankan326

Chinese members routinely take advantage of every Indian failure or shortcoming. So while I don't approve of the language used by @hater here, and all other trolling, I can understand why some Indian members would do the same.

but it's not the same. indians just sounded jealous to others. lol. indian rocket failure is like kid fail at riding bicycle compare to china with superbike :D
 
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Not even that actually. China doesn't have the ability to right now mass produce 12 LM 5 in a year.

But ICBMs are pretty much like orbital rockets, and their guidance systems etc are very similar. So, if you can doubt foreign interference in rocket launches, than you must also doubt if some other country can just sabotage your ICBM, and IRBM.



Exactly, and that is what I am reminding my Chinese friends, @rott @Han Patriot @kankan326

Chinese members routinely take advantage of every Indian failure or shortcoming. So while I don't approve of the language used by @hater here, and all other trolling, I can understand why some Indian members would do the same.
Bro, when have I ridiculed Indian launch failures? I will never stooped so low to do that OK. Please be fair, this is the second most powerful rocket on earth currently and that satellite is the most advanced satellite platform. It would have been a game changer for humanity.

All time space launch results.
Surely, no country is spared from failures.
http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/logsum.html
Even though our launch reliability is still considered good but 4 failures in 2 years is not acceptable. LM-5 now has the same failure rate as GSLVMKII. I am utterly disgraced, it might have been the second most powerful rocket, but still it is a failure.
 
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