China opposes Israel's settlements construction in occupied Palestinian territory

[oceanx]

Let me quote a Great Leader Golda Meir, our former Prime Minister:

"Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us."

Jerusalem is to Judaism like Mecca is to Islam, dividing it is unthinkable and many if not most of us would give our limited amount of lives before we give up Jerusalem ever again.

Peace may come to the Middle East when (Israeli) Jews love their children more than they love (Jerusalem) real-estate.

In honesty it applies not only to you, but also to Asians in places such as Taiwan and Kashmir.

It's not that these plots of real-estate have no value. Not at all. They are "premium" for very good reasons.

But it's pride rather than value that is driving the madness.

One does wonder if sometime people love their pride more than their children.

 

[ephone]

I have no idea what you mean by "ut it is too different and you want to render".

First, I am proud to be Chinese.

Second, for what I have mentioned, I have no intention to degrade my motherland for whatsoever purpose. On the contrary, for avenging for our dead Chinese brothers, sisters and soldiers who died due to those Hui KMT hooligans, Uighur separatists/terrorists, General Wang Zhen is my hero.
I would say that we should have another general like him to do that again to avenge the death for those massacred by those uighur separatists/terrorists. I feel proud that General Wang has the guts to do that.

Of course, China has a large population, 56 ethnic groups, if you said that there are some negative things in some areas, in some ethnic. The fact that I will not surprised. But it is too different and you want to render.

 

[marshall]

BTW, do you know why there are very few Hui Muslim in Shaanxi and fewer Mongolians in North Xinjiang??? In the 18th and earlier 19th century, there are a lot of Hui Muslim in Shaanxi and Uighurs were only in south Xinjiang and North Xinjiang was the power base of the Mongolians. .

The reason is very simple. Due to their rebellions and killing of so many Han Chinese, Qing's emperor QianLong and later Empress CiXi asked their Generals to crashed them and wiped them out. Well, they were indeed wiped out quite effectively. Otherwise, Uighurs would not be able to move to North XinJiang later

Where is your evidence besides your own rationalizations on why there are not certain population majorities in various regions? Here's what I wrote in message #155 disputing your allegation about the Hui in ShaanXi.

Actually, you are making a supposition here. The Hui were not "wiped out" from ShaanXi as you are insinuating. The Hui population was never close to any majority there and much of the Hui populations migrated westward during and after that time due to the conflict, just like the Han. Your own links even say this. All of China at this time was at war, especially in the North China plains where it is well known that it was depopulated due to the Taiping Rebellion. However, what you said sounds like it was especially bad for the Hui, which is simply not the case.

Concerning your reasoning of why large numbers of Uyghurs live in northern Xinjiang at the expense of some exaggerated Mongolian genocide in that region. The Uyghurs have lived in large numbers in northern Xinjiang long before the 18th century. Between 742-868, the Uyghur Khaganate empire stretched from Xinjiang and included all of Mongolia. Uyghurs are related to Mongolians and both are Altaic speaking people of which the Uyghurs in north Xinjiang are almost identical ethnically to Mongolians. I'm not sure where you're getting your history from but it's obviously grossly exaggerated.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I have no idea what you mean by "ut it is too different and you want to render".

First, I am proud to be Chinese.

Second, for what I have mentioned, I have no intention to degrade my motherland for whatsoever purpose. On the contrary, for avenging for our dead Chinese brothers, sisters and soldiers who died due to those Hui KMT hooligans, Uighur separatists/terrorists, General Wang Zhen is my hero.
I would say that we should have another general like him to do that again to avenge the death for those massacred by those uighur separatists/terrorists. I feel proud that General Wang has the guts to do that.

When you get the facts, then you can say. I also show my point of view, I support any action to safeguard the sovereignty, as long as he is under the law.

 

[ephone]

Where are your facts here anyway??? Feel free to point that you have any that can be called facts. It has been 19 pages long already.

When you get the facts, then you can say. I also show my point of view, I support any action to safeguard the sovereignty, as long as he is under the law.

 

[huzihaidao12]

If you need me to provide any evidence to prove that from me. Please speak to your question, I answer you.

 

[ephone]

Just google or baidu 清末回乱 or 清朝回乱。

Migrated? What a colorless word.

Those Hui there were either killed by Han retaliation or fled. There are Hui soldiers and Generals who did not participate in the rebels but helped the emperor to crash the rebels. Later they were awarded but was also asked not to reside in Shaanxi due to the deep hatred towards Hui muslims there since so many family had death due to earlier Hui's massacre. So the emperor asked them to relocated to those provinces, e.g. QingHai, NingXia, GangSu and XinJiang as well.

The other one, I just cannot refrain from laughing. I am talking about the population distribution during 18th and 19th century in XinJiang and you gave me one from another 1000 years ago???

Why don't you even give me another 800 years earlier than that? Well, it was the Huns there, wasn't??? Now they are in Europe.

FYI, google or baidu: 准格尔叛乱.

Where is your evidence besides your own rationalizations on why there are not certain population majorities in various regions? Here's what I wrote in message #155 disputing your allegation about the Hui in ShaanXi.

Concerning your reasoning of why large numbers of Uyghurs live in northern Xinjiang at the expense of some exaggerated Mongolian genocide in that region. The Uyghurs have lived in large numbers in northern Xinjiang long before the 18th century. Between 742-868, the Uyghur Khaganate empire stretched from Xinjiang and included all of Mongolia. Uyghurs are related to Mongolians and both are Altaic speaking people of which the Uyghurs in north Xinjiang are almost identical ethnically to Mongolians. I'm not sure where you're getting your history from but it's obviously made up.

 

[huzihaidao12]

As a HUI, this is the only time of the insurgency, even taking into account the Han Chinese have many times, why are you so concerned about it?

 

[oceanx]

Forget it. Just another brainwashed by Jewish media. Anything Israel does is justified, anything Muslims anywhere do is wrong and bad. But Jews should also never forget to thank Nazi Germany. Without Nazi Germany, there would be no Israel, and the average IQ of Jews would be lower. After all, the Nazis only killed the low IQ Jews who stayed in Germany or were unable to escape. High IQ Jews escaped to Britain, USSR and USA long time ago. The return of high IQ Jews from the USSR in 90's actually fueled Israel's economy, which before that was struggling with hyperinflation and dependence on US aid.

We asked you not to bring IQ into everything ... especially where it doesn't belong.

Forget Germany, what the h*ll do you know about history of Jews in Russia and the Soviet Union?

Tell me which Jews from Germany fled en masse to USSR?

If you don't have a clue can you at least try to grow one?

After Poland fell, many Polish Jews for one reason or another went to USSR. The circumstances of the migration here were unclear (at least to me). It was probably not an entirely coerced movement. The exact extent to which political sympathies with Bolsheviks played a role I am not sure about.

But certainly more than your "IQ".

BTW, right after "Liberation", my maternal grandfather in Shanghai sent a "lower IQ" (by your reckoning) subordinate to Hong Kong to relocate the factory ... guess who got rich later and who spent a few years in 牛棚 ...

Luck/"blessings"/circumstance and "EQ" trump your dumb@ss IQ every time.

Do pardon my language.

I mean well.

 

[below_freezing]

Thats myth. By 1939 Jews had de facto state in Palestine. They had armed forces, government, schools, universites, labor unions even philharmonic orchestra.


Sorry but thats stupid statement. Nazis killed Jews who were unlucky to be conquered.


While USSR Jews contributed a lot to Israel's economy, there was no hyperinlation. It was defeated in 1985. Israel's GNP per capita in 80-es was higher than in Spain.

However, we must notice that regions where Jews lived in equality with others, such as Sephardic Jews, show an average lower IQ almost 1 standard deviation lower than regions of high Jewish persecution, especially Ashkenazi Jews from Germany and Eastern Europe. In addition, the rate of Jewish Nobel Prize winners increased after WW2 and the Nazi's application of selection pressures to the Jewish population. Can we agree that at least, there is correlation if not causation?

Also, while hyperinflation was controlled in 1985 it was not without US aid. Soviet Jews returning in the 90's set the stage for Israel's further economic expansion.

Maybe we should exterminate the likes of you, for Chinese IQ sake.

Personal attacks on me mean nothing.

 

[huzihaidao12]

As for Israel, it is complex. There is no uniform view，good and bad. Just so.

 

[iPakMan]

Peace may come to the Middle East when (Israeli) Jews love their children more than they love (Jerusalem) real-estate.

In honesty it applies not only to you, but also to Asians in places such as Taiwan and Kashmir.

It's not that these plots of real-estate have no value. Not at all. They are "premium" for very good reasons.

But it's pride rather than value that is driving the madness.

One does wonder if sometime people love their pride more than their children.

You are wrong, East Jerusalem was a Sh!t-hole because it was under Arab control for Decades, it has very LITTLE real-estate Value, this is not about real-estate. We built homes there, schools, Kindergarten, not the arabs with their tents. This is the holiest city IN JUDAISM. Giving it up is giving up our Identity!

 

[below_freezing]

We asked you not to bring IQ into everything ... especially where it doesn't belong.

Forget Germany, what the h*ll do you know about history of Jews in Russia and the Soviet Union?

Tell me which Jews from Germany fled en masse to USSR?

If you don't have a clue can you at least try to grow one?

After Poland fell, many Polish Jews for one reason or another went to USSR. The circumstances of the migration here were unclear (at least to me). It was probably not an entirely coerced movement. The exact extent to which political sympathies with Bolsheviks played a role I am not sure about.

But certainly more than your "IQ".

BTW, right after "Liberation", my maternal grandfather in Shanghai sent a "lower IQ" (by your reckoning) subordinate to Hong Kong to relocate the factory ... guess who got rich later and who spent a few years in 牛棚 ...

Luck/"blessings"/circumstance and "EQ" trump your dumb@ss IQ every time.

Do pardon my language.

I mean well.

I agree and disagree at the same time. In 99% of cases, IQ means nothing. But it is the 1% of cases which distinguishes Zimbabwe and the Congo from the likes of Singapore and Japan. Singapore was a poor, backwards, corrupt 3rd world slum in 1965. It also recieved no development aid from either US or USSR (unlike Zimbabwe and Congo). 30 years later, Singapore is a very developed country while Zimbabwe and the Congo are the worst nations on earth. 1% of cases summed over millions of people give a huge difference.

 

[huzihaidao12]

In fact, CD is right, China has some good feeling to the Jews, from sympathy for the helpless, it is has changed, I think there are more Chinese people were sympathetic to the Palestinians, more and more.

 

[ephone]

I just ask where your facts are for all of your posts here for the past 19 pages.

If you need me to provide any evidence to prove that from me. Please speak to your question, I answer you.