China Opens Missile Plant In Iran

[DaRk WaVe]

@ jagjitnatt

BTW RUssikis recently bought some Ships from France this means your major Arms supplier is also a underdog


you can assume thing but when we are going to show some dollars everyone will get ready to sell & BTW topic is about Chinese Opening Missile Plant in Iran

 

[WAQAS119]

yes.

Mirages that PAF flies are the ones that were retired in other countries. They were going to be scraped when PAF bought them.

F16 you got are after a long long wait due to sanctions, and just because you participated in WoT. Once the war is over, no more F16s

RD93 wasn't sold by Russia. China had bought RD93 engines in bulk (around 200) from Russia. They just sold those and Russia couldn't do anything about it.

So, its your luck and hard work in the WoT that is giving you the opportunities. Make hay while the sun shines.

this explains your post.
If you think this than enjoy in your own world

 

[Peregrine]

Hi
where are those perky Iranians like Abi who was all ' we don't take help from any country regarding missiles we are so advanced and ahead of others"

 

[jagjitnatt]

@ jagjitnatt

BTW RUssikis recently bought some Ships from France this means your major Arms supplier is also a underdog

I think I was talking about China's tactics. I don't know where France came from. Please check.

And yes could you explain what the bolded part means

this explains your post.
If you think this than enjoy in your own world

If you think world's arms market are open to Pakistan, then may be you can explain the following:

1. France denying Avionics upgrade
2. Why F16s were not delivered to PAF even when PAF payed for it in 90s.
3. Why no Su30 in PAF
4. Why no F35, Typhoon, Rafale, Migs, F15, F18, B2 etc etc.

PAF knows the truth and working nicely on it. They are doing their best, which is buying from the only reliable supplier, China.

 

[Peregrine]

Hi
WAQAS119 a message for you

 

[WAQAS119]

If you think world's arms market are open to Pakistan, then may be you can explain the following:

1. France denying Avionics upgrade
2. Why F16s were not delivered to PAF even when PAF payed for it in 90s.
3. Why no Su30 in PAF
4. Why no F35, Typhoon, Rafale, Migs, F15, F18, B2 etc etc.

PAF knows the truth and working nicely on it. They are doing their best, which is buying from the only reliable supplier, China.

This is simple kiddishhhh...

1. French Avionics deal is on hold not canceled,,and by the way you must have heared recent news that French are worried on Pakistan reaction to cancel 24 billion LNG deal...

2. as far as F16 is concerned same has happened with indian LCA, even though indains has payed for this project has spent more than 32000 crore rupees, but foreign companies involved are not willing to see LCA in the sky..... atleast Paksitan got their F16's not wasteage of money like LCA...

3. Pakistan never wanted any plane like su30, even it has rejected J11/su27...so ur unawareness

4. apart from f35 and b2 every plane u mentioned has been offered to Pakistan.... again ur paindooo pan BTW who offered u b2 and f35

 

[WAQAS119]

Hi
WAQAS119 a message for you

am i trolling!!!

 

[Peregrine]

am i trolling!!!

HI
lol no yaar but you are feeding one hehehhe

 

[pak-yes]

If you think world's arms market are open to Pakistan, then may be you can explain the following:

1. France denying Avionics upgrade
2. Why F16s were not delivered to PAF even when PAF payed for it in 90s.
3. Why no Su30 in PAF
4. Why no F35, Typhoon, Rafale, Migs, F15, F18, B2 etc etc.

PAF knows the truth and working nicely on it. They are doing their best, which is buying from the only reliable supplier, China.

1.But that is due to the French greed.They will obviously go for the big catch.So if you think it is a result of Isolation then you can continue to live in ignorance.

2.Well there is nothing new with US of A sanctioning countries.They even sanctioned i think turkey and taiwan.They are used to such kind of tactics and fortunately for Pakistan,India is also soon going into a wormhole.You People haven't learnt anything from US-PAK relations.

3.We never wanted it.It is an expensive twin engine jet fighter that doesn't fit PAF doctrine.

3.I don't think US has offered anybody B-2.And don't worry the way F-35 foreign sales are going you never know.Besides we can hardly pay for F-16s.And the RAFALE,Typhoons etc etc all require money which we do not have.but that doesn't meant that if we would had money we would had been denied sales.

Come on Sardar Ji don't drag us into Iran's level in foreign relations.That wouldn't be fair.

 

[jagjitnatt]

To all,

Lets not derail the thread.

I was talking about china's strategy with other developing countries and underdog is a relative term.

I was in no way disrespecting Pak or Iran. Saying that they are the underdogs does not mean they are inferior but that they are facing a bigger power, their opposition is bigger and stronger at least on paper.

China's market is limited to these countries.

 

[WAQAS119]

To all,

Lets not derail the thread.

I was talking about china's strategy with other developing countries and underdog is a relative term.

I was in no way disrespecting Pak or Iran. Saying that they are the underdogs does not mean they are inferior but that they are facing a bigger power, their opposition is bigger and stronger at least on paper.

China's market is limited to these countries.

.........

 

[Mani2020]

To all,

Lets not derail the thread.

I was talking about china's strategy with other developing countries and underdog is a relative term.

I was in no way disrespecting Pak or Iran. Saying that they are the underdogs does not mean they are inferior but that they are facing a bigger power, their opposition is bigger and stronger at least on paper.

China's market is limited to these countries.

Dont make your own perceptions man,and calling any country an underdog and saying China always helps the underdogs is wrong

The reality is China does it coz they have guts to do it unlike Russia,India and even Pakistan they dont have masters who dictate them the terms ,They do it what they wana do n nobody can stop them its not only happened know as they are getting power rather when they even were not a power politically,militarily and even economically they were doing the same things as are doing now

One thing that is famous about China throughout the world is that "They do everything on their own terms and conditions,There's none who can dictate them" They speak less and act more

What they are doing serves a purpose for them ,as they want to have influence along globe like USA, and so far they have succeeded in it,Now China is not only bound to Pakistan rather they have buyers throughout the world

And for your kind information

Egypt who like india has the facility to buy from all over the world , is purchasing military stuff from China, And if u are not done with it let me tell you another mind boggling fact
Turkey yes the member of NATO who has the facility to buy anythng from anywhere in the world is purchasing from China
Now what you call it underdog stuff or Influence and improving quality of Technology

 

[graphican]

Actually Chinese don't support the countries that are right/wrong. They just support the under dog, the country which needs weapons in order to survive and they make a lot of cash on it. Its just business and a profitable one at that.

They aren't supporting, they are just servicing a customer like in dope business, and in the process endangering the customer itself.

Its a lot more about polarization of the world instead of making cash. China is growing at more than 11% and they are not "desperate" to make cash for their survival. Setting up missile plant in a country and selling arms is on two different grounds of relationship altogether. Iran, Russia, Venezuela and China have commonality and that is they face common enemy. It would be more appropriate to see this growing relationship in this particular paradigm instead of business opportunity for China.

 

[Hyde]

Actually Chinese don't support the countries that are right/wrong. They just support the under dog, the country which needs weapons in order to survive and they make a lot of cash on it. Its just business and a profitable one at that.

They aren't supporting, they are just servicing a customer like in dope business, and in the process endangering the customer itself.

because India is not the underdog in India-Pak scenario. India can do without Chinese weapons and India has an option, it can buy from any seller in the world.

and India can buy the original from Russia at almost same price. Why buy duplicate?? lol: Jokin. But yes, China just modifies Russian goods and sell, so its better to go for Russian.

Pak, Iran, North Korea, etc are countries which are a little isolated from the international arms market and they are the underdogs too. Thats the perfect recipe for China.

Very well said Jagjitnatt

Me being a nuteral observer and not a "Patriotic Pakistani only" can say China is playing exactly the same game that USA used to play during 1911 - 1945. China has probably learnt a lot from American history and their foreign policy is very similar to American foreign policy during both World Wars and the time span between them.

I have read about American foreign policy very thoroughly and many times i see Chinese following the same suit. Weaponise the under dogs and earn $$$ and improve/flourish your defence industry with the same money. Whatever they are equipping Pakistan, Iran or North Korea is also in the best interest of China. If Pakistan fight against India thats WIN-WIN for China as India (their enemy) will be weakened. If Iran or S/K fight against USA thats another win-win for China as the Americans will be burning their artillery thus Chinese require little time to confront them and not to forget the countries which china has sold weapons always are obliged with chinese so chinese somehow has influence in their policy too

I am not saying Chinese support good or bad but they too see their own interests before signing a deal with any third country and that is a sign of good leadership. I respect chinese for that

 

[Hyde]

And yes could you explain what the bolded part means

Russki = Russians in Emo's dictionary and Russki sounds really nice

Dont make your own perceptions man,and calling any country an underdog and saying China always helps the underdogs is wrong

The reality is China does it coz they have guts to do it unlike Russia,India and even Pakistan they dont have masters who dictate them the terms ,They do it what they wana do n nobody can stop them its not only happened know as they are getting power rather when they even were not a power politically,militarily and even economically they were doing the same things as are doing now

One thing that is famous about China throughout the world is that "They do everything on their own terms and conditions,There's none who can dictate them" They speak less and act more

What they are doing serves a purpose for them ,as they want to have influence along globe like USA, and so far they have succeeded in it,Now China is not only bound to Pakistan rather they have buyers throughout the world

The simple reason is China has become a major player in the world. They cannot be dictated that easily. China is neither Russia nor India or Pakistan who still has limited resources. They are on the verge of becoming a super power. China can dictate terms in the international arena. They are not frightened like Pakistan or other countries who are still Pawns in the game of Chess. China is struggling to become the king by defeating its oppositions in this deadly game of chess.

She is writing its own terms, setting its own players by supporting them today so that they are obliged to China thereafter when she is capable enough to threaten any third country in the world (including USA) and they already have a very strong foreign policy to put a pressure (influence) on any foreign country in the world unlike other nations you mentioned in your post. China is already creating a Nato like environment wherevever she goes she will take couple of other countries with her like NATO is after Americans. So its becoming a block 1 vs block 2 war system in the near future

Nobody says Russia will become super power again in next 20 or so years but everybody including 5 year old kid seeing China as a next major power or super power in the world. Feel the difference brother feel the difference

And please indian i ain't saying India Super power or not......... i am just talking about China......