China Once Looked Tough on Trade. Now Its Options Are Dwindling.

[hiseen]

Obama wanted to use TPP to kill CN easily wt less hurt to US economy ( US would buy products from TPP nations like VN instead of CN).

Trump policy hurt both CN and US economy, so Trump may have to rejoin TPP if he cant kill CN easily as he wish. ( Trump rejected TPP cos TPP will make VN rich while US economy got nothing change )

Obama is much smater than Trump.

Mr. VV It's hard to forget his TPP lover， Do you understand that TPP's loss is your lover's own interest?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Reducing the interdependence of China-US economy through a trade war could turn out to be a good thing imo

From peoples opinions I gathered online, both sides are willing to endure short term pain to achieve this long term "decoupling"

For the Americans the thoughts of being overshadowed by a new superpower whose rising was fueled by their own money is just unbearable, so the trade must stop despite they were the ones benefited most from China-US trade

For the Chinese less dependence on US market is also a desirable outcome, in case the next time US economy stumbles in a 2008 like crises, China wont be dragged along, or feel the need to bail out the US like we did last time

The world have absolutely NO IDEA how many smart people there are in PDF, especially in global economic and financial issues.

Wall Street? Pbbbpppttt...!!!
London? Bleah...!!!
Hong Kong? Yeecchhh...!!!
Dubai? Gaaahh...!!!

It is only the Illuminati and the Freemasons that have kept these 'sages' from destroying the US.

yea..you really stick to talking abt your military stuff gambit... where you actually had a clue

 

[leviathan]

In bold, obviously you have not even taken economics 101 YET. The multiplier effect is a BASIC knowledge for anyone who has taken an economics course. When you spend a dollar, that dollar become someone's income (do you even know this???), and so on...this is elementary economics knowledge..genius
http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Managing_the_economy/The_multiplier_effect.html

In this case, 400 billion on trade surplus becomes 2 trillion of incomes for the Chinese. losing that 400 billion of trade surplus and it hits 2 trillion of your economy....but we are not done yet..

China becomes a middle income country by having trade surplus with the world. china's trade surplus is based on manufacturing industries and its manufacturing industries thrive because of cost competitive, and Chinese cost competitive is based on economy of scale. With the trade war unraveling, Chinese producers will see less units being ordered and as less number of units ordered, that FIXED cost per unit will sky rock, which will make Chinese products lose that price attraction.

Chinese's trade surplus with non-US markets are 950 billion dollars, losing that price attraction (due to higher fixed cost per unit) means china is losing 950 billion a year at face value. Taking into consideration the multiplier effect of 5,..chinese economy is being hit with losing 4.750 TRILLION dollars of income. As your stuperman comrade @qwerrty said, Chinese economy will contract 6.750 TRILLION dollars as a direct and indirect result from this trade war with the U.S.

But we are not done yet, that's only about the direct and indirect effect from losing the trade surplus. As china's manufacturing cost rise, its products will also become more expensive for the average Chinese joe blow. when prices rise, Chinese consumers will cut back spending and that's the DAGGER to your economy.


You must be really gullible to even believe in what those two journalists of Bloomberg write. If the U.S is having a trade surplus with china, you Chinese wouldn't panic and go sue the U.S with the WTO left and right, LOL

"With the trade war unraveling, Chinese producers will see less units being ordered and as less number of units ordered, that FIXED cost per unit will sky rock, which will make Chinese products lose that price attraction."
lol is this american finest education can offer??? So fuking retarded in a whole new mega level!
So you will be the fuktard who will increased the product price because you sell less product now?
lol no wonder merica is losing business competition so badly~no hope....

 

[Viva_Viet]

Mr. VV It's hard to forget his TPP lover， Do you understand that TPP's loss is your lover's own interest?

TPP loss and US loss,too. US ppl must buy goods in a very high price instead of cheap price from TPP nations.

Thats why I said Trump may not win in trade war if he dont re join TPP

 

[gambit]

yea..you really stick to talking abt your military stuff gambit... where you actually had a clue

At least my clue is with the theme of this forum, whereas with your?

 

[Indrajit]

Am not sure if I could agree with that. We know that the presidency of any country is tough enough of a job, but now we are looking at the US, the economic and quite political engine of the world.

Am not sure -- in trying to be fair -- if we can use hindsight to criticize previous presidents or prime ministers for not doing certain things that we believe 'should have' been done. Things can and have changed in less than five yrs. Leaders die, government change, whoever expected the US to have that massive real estate crisis and a recession, etc...etc...
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You are absolutely right, my comment was with tongue firmly in cheek referring to everyone previously suggesting that such actions would be very disastrous.

 

[moweike]

China can better abolish us dollars

 

[Indrajit]

Obama wanted to use TPP to kill CN easily wt less hurt to US economy ( US would buy products from TPP nations like VN instead of CN).

Trump policy hurt both CN and US economy, so Trump may have to rejoin TPP if he cant kill CN easily as he wish. ( Trump rejected TPP cos TPP will make VN rich while US economy got nothing change )

Obama is much smater than Trump.

You are correct to the extent that Obama had a inherited a much more difficult economic situation and those years of rebuilding did allow DT to now do what he is doing. I’m not sure about the argument you make on the TPP, sourcing from elsewhere would not have forced China’s hand in the short term. The present situation does and while there may be yet some pain to the US economy, I think that China will cut their losses at some point and agree to some sort of a deal . We will have to wait and see.

 

[Viva_Viet]

You are correct to the extent that Obama had a inherited a much more difficult economic situation and those years of rebuilding did allow DT to now do what he is doing. I’m not sure about the argument you make on the TPP, sourcing from elsewhere would not have forced China’s hand in the short term. The present situation does and while there may be yet some pain to the US economy, I think that China will cut their losses at some point and agree to some sort of a deal . We will have to wait and see.

a year ago.We predicted CN will be in chaos in 2023 due to TPP and Trump 's policy. as u know, VN fought against both CN and US, so we know quite well who stronger and who will be in chaos.Just wait till 2023 and u will see CN chaos.

Before CN leader Deng came to JP and US and begged for help and protection against VN's invasion to Laos-Cambodia and Soviet,CN was just a country of 1 billion hungry peasants wt GDP merely 300USD/year.

Cnese are just not smart enough to build a nation without help and protection from Soviet or USA.So when Trump start bullying CN and no more Soviet to beg for protection, then CN will be in chaos soon.

 

[hiseen]

a year ago.We predicted CN will be in chaos in 2023 due to TPP and Trump 's policy. as u know, VN fought against both CN and US, so we know quite well who stronger and who will be in chaos.Just wait till 2023 and u will see CN chaos.

Before CN leader Deng came to JP and US and begged for help and protection against VN's invasion to Laos-Cambodia and Soviet,CN was just a country of 1 billion hungry peasants wt GDP merely 300USD/year.

Cnese are just not smart enough to build a nation without help and protection from Soviet or USA.So when Trump start bullying CN and no more Soviet to beg for protection, then CN will be in chaos soon.

If your predictions come true， South Asia will be a battleground， The only result is VN become a chessboard US,RUS,JP,CN Play chess there.（This is the theme that has been separated）

 

[Viva_Viet]

If your predictions come true， South Asia will be a battleground， The only result is VN become a chessboard US,RUS,JP,CN Play chess there.（This is the theme that has been separated）

why so rush? just wait till 2023 and u wil see CN wil be splited to pieces again like in opium war.

Thats the reason why UK-JP warship keep sailling around CN now.all r waiting for CN chaos to enslave HK-MAcau-TW-Nanjing etc again

 

[hiseen]

why so rush? just wait till 2023 and u wil see CN wil be splited to pieces again like in opium war.

Thats the reason why UK-JP warship keep sailling around CN now.all r waiting for CN chaos to enslave HK-MAcau-TW-Nanjing etc again

why so rush? just wait till 2023 and u wil see CN wil be splited to pieces again like in opium war.

Thats the reason why UK-JP warship keep sailling around CN now.all r waiting for CN chaos to enslave HK-MAcau-TW-Nanjing etc again

Of course, no one can replace the prediction of MR. VV.

 

[zzzz]

Obviously u have not taken any economics class. The riple effect of losing 400 billion of trade surplus means that your economy will lose 2 trillions if we take the multiplier effect of spending 80% and saving 20% for 1 dollar of trade surplus china earns. Welcome to the reality of losing 2 trilion of your economy

This is actually so laughable for the whole world to watch American idiots living in its own delusional reality. The $400 billon of surplus money that China is getting from US are loaned or invested back to US who use it to buy goods from China. Basically US is getting $400 billion of goods for free from China. Now everything you wrote and all the losses will apply to US economy, when you lose those $400 billion, not Chinese. Wake up, looney.
You got $1 trillion deficit and it is increasing. Your bond rates skyrocketed to 2008 year level to 3%. Basically the whole world is feeding you giving you $1 trillion annually for free. Do you think some magic things like tariffs ot tweets from Orange idiot will fix that?

 

[Viet]

This is actually so laughable for the whole world to watch American idiots living in its own delusional reality. The $400 billon of surplus money that China is getting from US are loaned or invested back to US who use it to buy goods from China. Basically US is getting $400 billion of goods for free from China. Now everything you wrote and all the losses will apply to US economy, when you lose those $400 billion, not Chinese. Wake up, looney.
You got $1 trillion deficit and it is increasing. Your bond rates skyrocketed to 2008 year level to 3%. Basically the whole world is feeding you giving you $1 trillion annually for free. Do you think some magic things like tariffs ot tweets from Orange idiot will fix that?

If the US gets goods worth $400 billion for free from China, what’s stopping you for being generous? Is China a catholic church?

 

[zectech]

The Soviet Union went toe to toe against the Evil Empire. The Soviet Union had a full communist system with state control over industry and jobs for everyone. If China is attacked for openness and trade, China should revert back to communism where it is being attacked, so that the GDP does not shrink. Nationalizing Amerikan businesses who are ready to pull those businesses and investment from China to Vietnam or someplace else, have China take over the means of production from the Amerikans like good communists. Pre-warn Chinese by telling them to de-invest in Amerika, the source of the trade war. Patriotism means no investments in Amerika, invest in China.

There has to be hundreds of billions by Amerikans invested in industrial machinery and patents in the Chinese workforce. Just take over those companies and make them for the Chinese and the world, minus the Amerikans. This is after China sells all 1 trillion in US war bonds, and converts it into Gold. Dumps dollar reserves and converts them into gold.

And only a response to a severe impact due to tariffs.

If the world is with China and against Dictator Trump, then there is no need to do this. If the global community sides with Washington over China, just go communist.