China, not India, builds a bridge in Bangladesh, but Modi govt believes all is not lost yet

[Imran Khan]

do something to create own technical manpower pool who can make CPEC and other infrastructure , how long you will depend on chinese money and chinese labour to build infrastructure for you .do something yourself than worrying about modi indian jharu pochha .

we are not lazy we are resting ok

 

[bahadur]

we are not lazy we are resting ok

it's ok then ,
aaram bari chij hai muh dhak ke soiye .

 

[fallstuff]

So, how do you propose many other conceivable infra projects like many other bridges or highways? Do you propose them to be built by foreign companies. Was it not necessary for the GoB to institute a system to learn when Koreans designed and built the Jamuna bridge and now the Chinese are building the Padma Bridge. I have read one account that Korea has been asked to build another bridge somewhere over the Meghna.

The loans are piling up. Repayment will continue until BD exports and remittances remain high. However, not only Vietnam but also Laos, Cambodia and many African countries are coming up with cheap labor to produce low value garments in their respective countries.

So, better we think long term, and build industries, develop manufacturing of engineering products including machines and engines, and also build our own infrastructures with our own people. I think, failing to do these basic things, all our hi fi infrastructure projects with foreign loans will not develop our country.

As a result, BD will virtually remain an underdeveloped LDC as it is now.

Its ok to borrow money if you can pay for it. Jamuna bridge has been paid off with revenue generated by vehicles using the bridge. I remember when BD was using rental power plants voices were raised how expensive it is over owned unit around 2009-13.

You are not going to have developments in the SW region if you do not have better connectivity. It is ok to hire services when BD does not have in house capacity. Building a major bridge is much more than basic engineering. It requires excellent contractor project management skills. In most cases work progresses concurrently instead of part 2 waiting on part 1 completion and so on. Using these agile methods you save money and time.

You can't put away construction for 5 years cause you don't have in house talents. The point is to get a bridge built as it is the need of the moment, everything else is secondary.

 

[Destranator]

Its ok to borrow money if you can pay for it. Jamuna bridge has been paid off with revenue generated by vehicles using the bridge. I remember when BD was using rental power plants voices were raised how expensive it is over owned unit.

You are not going to have developments in the SW region if you do not have better connectivity. It is ok to hire services when do not have in house capacity. Building a major bridge is much more than basic engineering. It requires excellent contractor project malmanagement skills. In most cases work progresses concurrently instead of part 2 waiting on part 1 completion and so on. Using these agile methods you save money and time.

You can't put away construction for 5 years cause you don't have in house talents. The point is to get a bridge built as it is the need of the moment, everything else is secondary.

Going by @bluesky's logic, everyone who takes out a home loan is a moron. People should live on the street until they can build their own house from the ground up with their own finances.

 

[bluesky]

Its ok to borrow money if you can pay for it. Jamuna bridge has been paid off with revenue generated by vehicles using the bridge. I remember when BD was using rental power plants voices were raised how expensive it is over owned unit around 2009-13.

You are not going to have developments in the SW region if you do not have better connectivity. It is ok to hire services when BD does not have in house capacity. Building a major bridge is much more than basic engineering. It requires excellent contractor project management skills. In most cases work progresses concurrently instead of part 2 waiting on part 1 completion and so on. Using these agile methods you save money and time.

You can't put away construction for 5 years cause you don't have in house talents. The point is to get a bridge built as it is the need of the moment, everything else is secondary.

By reading your posts I have feeling that BD politicians and bureaucrats will not build up the domestic capacity in trained engineering manpower to do good projects and will keep on borrowing money from foreign countries.

About $35 is our export money and remittance is about $20 billion, a total of $55 billion. Yet, our country is incapable to invest money for industrialization or do a thing by itself. Even the needles for sewing machines are imported, yet you guys claim BD is progressing. Not claiming so has become a prestige issue in BD.

No wonder, BD will remain in the lowest rung of an underdeveloped LDC.

 

[Leishangthem]

Nigeria and Mexico has decent amount of oil, however Nigeria has not developed and Mexico is semi-developed. I am not mentioning Venezuela and Iran as both are under sanctions.

What is needed for any country to develop most is respect for property rights, in other words good law and order. You will find that in EA nations and in UAE also in Saudi Arabia. ME folks were not good in management so they hired all the top management ( tax free income lured loads of skilled people ) folks from England while the Arabs maintained law and order.

The greatest asset of any nation is not oil,geography,gold,rare earth or any other natural resources.It's
the human resource,and it's the stock of human resource that shape their culture which churns a civilization that in
the end formed into a state.

There's two generalized civilization that managed to develop in the human history,and honestly it will be only these two that will be labeled developed for unforeseeable future
;One, the european civilization;two,the East Asian Civilization.
But only the east asians carry the inherent ability to built a state from ground zero to the zenith of human civilization through seer ingenuity, perseverance,toil . Even the European civilization developed on the back of the loots and slave work they managed through their colonial conquest,without the loot & plunder,the europea that we see today would have ceased to exist.

If Human civilization was a game,
South Asians are like C ranked characters in it,East asians are S and europeans A.

It's also evident in the IQ ranking,all the developed nations has really high IQ ranking,east asia occupies top 5 ,the nigeria and mexico are much lower in IQ and human resource. IQ ranking is directly proportional to the developmental curve of a nation.

Unless the developed nations come together and funds the development of the underdeveloped ones in south asia and africa things are unlikely to change even in many many centuries.

 

[sinait]

By reading your posts I have feeling that BD politicians and bureaucrats will not build up the domestic capacity in trained engineering manpower to do good projects and will keep on borrowing money from foreign countries.

About $35 is our export money and remittance is about $20 billion, a total of $55 billion. Yet, our country is incapable to invest money for industrialization or do a thing by itself. Even the needles for sewing machines are imported, yet you guys claim BD is progressing. Not claiming so has become a prestige issue in BD.

No wonder, BD will remain in the lowest rung of an underdeveloped LDC.

Have patience and hard work, success will come.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/18/finally-china-manufactures-a-ballpoint-pen-all-by-itself/

Finally, China manufactures a ballpoint pen all by itself
Jan 18, 2017

This story involves something as simple as the ballpoint pen — yes, that humble device you may well have lying around your desk or collecting dust at the bottom of your bag — and China's long and frustrating quest to manufacture it domestically.
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[SBUS-CXK]

Do you ever read the development history of other countries, especially that of Japan? How about Japan participating in WWl in 1914? How about its capturing of Taiwan in 1895, Korea in 1910 and Chinese Manchuria in 1931? How about annihilating Russian navy, the strongest in those days, in 1905 in the East Japan Sea? All these by American help?

Do you think it was possible to do so without industrializing the country? No country ever spoon-fed Japan. At the start of Meiji Restoration on January 3, 1868, Japanese leaders felt their country was 200 years behind Europe and it had to catch up with them.

So, they started infrastructure development with the help of European companies, especially the British, by selling its silk, gold and copper stocks, and paying in cash. There was no existence of free money from foreign credits, IMF, WB, ADB and many lending agencies in those days. It was all self-help.

So, Japan put into effect a system whereby the local engineering companies learned from the German, British or Netherland engineering companies. The next phases of development were all done by these same Japanese companies that learned from the foreign companies. No spoon feeding by others.

Its first railway, a 29km Tokyo-Yokohama stretch, was done by a British company in 1872. Today, Japan has more than 27,000 km of rail lines. Do you think, America came and built this? All were done by Japan. By its own technology and efforts, Japan developed the high-speed Shinkansen Bullet trains, the first ever in the world,

So, there was no American speed-feeding. It is true even after WWll. American Marshall Plan money (130 billion dollar in today's money) was used to help European countries, but, was not extended to an Asian country, Japan. Japan did everything by itself and also helped its colonies in Asia to industrialize during its stay there. Read that history by yourself.

Bangladesh is being spoon-fed for the last 73 years since 1947. Yet, it remains the most underdeveloped country because since 1971 it is following a wrong policy of non-development of its own manpower and technology.

I do not see any reason BD will ever develop. Morning shows the day. And I do not see any signs of a bright morning. And we should know that a few infrastructure projects done by India and China are no recipe for development.

Notes: You have the full right not to like my posts, but, you have no right to abuse me for expressing my own viewpoints. Please refrain from abusing.

Emmm... Your reply is incomplete. Japan was a slave of the Han Dynasty. Fans of the Sui Dynasty. Students of the Tang Dynasty. The losers of Ming Dynasty.

If there is no Han Dynasty to teach Japanese characters. I don't know what chcharacter will be used in Japan now. If there was no Sui and Tang Dynasty to teach Japanese political system. I don't know what system Japan has. If the Ming Dynasty did not destroy Japan's invasion of Korea. I don't think Japan will close itself up and wait for the "black boat".

History is always interesting. But too obsessed with history will lose self.

Back to BD. It really lacks a revolutionary reform. About this. I think I'm in line with you.

But you should know. Infrastructure is not all. but it is part of the industry chain. to build a bridge. you must have steel, cement, cranes and other machinery. you must have a complete industrial system to support you to make any industrial products.

So... Infrastructure is not important. But the "industrial base" must be the most important of a country!

 

[bluesky]

Emmm... Your reply is incomplete. Japan was a slave of the Han Dynasty. Fans of the Sui Dynasty. Students of the Tang Dynasty. The losers of Ming Dynasty.

If there is no Han Dynasty to teach Japanese characters. I don't know what chcharacter will be used in Japan now. If there was no Sui and Tang Dynasty to teach Japanese political system. I don't know what system Japan has. If the Ming Dynasty did not destroy Japan's invasion of Korea. I don't think Japan will close itself up and wait for the "black boat".

History is always interesting. But too obsessed with history will lose self.

Please do not waste your time by vomiting ignorance in this thread and do not re-write history of the long past, please. Who was your slave, Japan? Never I have read such a superficial story in any authentic book on historical accounts. History is not all about export of language, arts, and religion.

On the contrary, your points on economic and infrastructure development is wholly acceptable.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Please do not waste your time by vomiting ignorance in this thread and do not re-write history of the long past, please. Who was your slave, Japan? Never I have read such a superficial story in any authentic book on historical accounts. History is not all about export of language, arts, and religion.

On the contrary, your points on economic and infrastructure development is wholly acceptable.

ah. Need a proof.

Need me to explain these words?

Except for the industrial base, of course. I think BD should also learn Confucianism (or legalism). If you want BD to enter the East Asian civilization circle.

 

[fallstuff]

By reading your posts I have feeling that BD politicians and bureaucrats will not build up the domestic capacity in trained engineering manpower to do good projects and will keep on borrowing money from foreign countries.

About $35 is our export money and remittance is about $20 billion, a total of $55 billion. Yet, our country is incapable to invest money for industrialization or do a thing by itself. Even the needles for sewing machines are imported, yet you guys claim BD is progressing. Not claiming so has become a prestige issue in BD.

No wonder, BD will remain in the lowest rung of an underdeveloped LDC.

You seem to have a certain concept about how a country should develop, it is fine by me. The key to improvement is industrialization and increasing service sector.
However you can't put development on hold for lack of local mega bridge contractors. As another poster explained mega project experience is part of industrial base, it is not all.

BD may someday have the local skills, but that day is not today. Why would people in the SW region need to wait ? How would you explain your reason to those people as to why this bridge can't be built now ? I can assure you that your explanation will make no sense to them.

You are entitled to your opinion, and same goes for me also.

 

[bluesky]

This sounds serious maybe this message needs to be relayed to the people in charge or they don't care?

All of you should be the first to understand the meaning of what I state and then please convey the message to the govt. I have read the GoB has asked a Korean company to build a bridge over Meghna. It means our people have not learned anything from the Koreans in Jamuna and from the Chinese in Padma.

This is supposed to continue forever, because this is how our bureaucrats earn their bribe money in dollars, send it to the Begum Para in Canada or to NJ of America where their fatty wives and children live, and whose sons occasionally visit BD to drink Tk300 a cup of tea.

 

[Saiful Islam]

This is supposed to continue forever, because this is how our bureaucrats earn their bribe money in dollars, send it to the Begum Para in Canada or to NJ of America where their fatty wives and children live, and whose sons occasionally visit BD to drink Tk300 a cup of tea.

Bang on the dollar

 

[bluesky]

do something to create own technical manpower pool who can make CPEC and other infrastructure , how long you will depend on chinese money and chinese labour to build infrastructure for you .do something yourself than worrying about modi indian jharu pochha .

Are you an enemy of Pakistan? Do you want its bureaucrats, sitting politicians and Army Generals to go hungry by asking them not to seek bribe money they receive in the US dollars through the supply of foreign credits that people respectfully call Project Loan?

BD and Pakistan follow the same principle that it is the solemn duty of the developed countries to finance them with ODA and from other financial institutions, we call Lending Agencies like WB, IMF, ADB, etc.

This is how the top people in these two countries siphon of dollars.