China must stop its poor-country pretence

[NiceGuy]

Everything has to calculate basing on economic data and through these data the conclusion is China is developing. It is not even a member of OECD!

China has Age threatening , Oil and resouces shortage ,Serious corruption problem , , so China's developement will reduce after 10 years, and almost very very slow after 30 years when those problems at their peak

 

[amidamaru]

Everything has to calculate basing on economic data and through these data the conclusion is China is developing. It is not even a member of OECD!



on per capita basis we are not the biggest.

China is the leader in green energy investments. We are trying our best to curb carbon emission.

nope your not the biggest... but reality is.. per capita is kinda a crap way to look at things

australia is one of the biggest in the world per capita... but we emit like 1% of emissions... so realistically, per capita is a bad way to look at things and judge it by.

i think the onus is on the biggest polluters to invest the most money .. so i think in that respect china is definitely on the right track... but it shouldnt be asking for hand outs and trying to get the western countrys to fund most of their research... which is what they and other "undeveloped" countries wanted at copenhagen etc

 

[shuttler]

nope your not the biggest... but reality is.. per capita is kinda a crap way to look at things

australia is one of the biggest in the world per capita... but we emit like 1% of emissions... so realistically, per capita is a bad way to look at things and judge it by.

i think the onus is on the biggest polluters to invest the most money .. so i think in that respect china is definitely on the right track... but it shouldnt be asking for hand outs and trying to get the western countrys to fund most of their research... which is what they and other "undeveloped" countries wanted at copenhagen etc

That's a wrong concept to look at present plight of the ozone layer without paying regard to the fact that the layer has been deteriorated to its present dire conditions through the centuries dating back as early as the dawn of the industrial revolution. Rome is not built in one day.

 

[Aramsogo]

nope your not the biggest... but reality is.. per capita is kinda a crap way to look at things

australia is one of the biggest in the world per capita... but we emit like 1% of emissions... so realistically, per capita is a bad way to look at things and judge it by.

i think the onus is on the biggest polluters to invest the most money .. so i think in that respect china is definitely on the right track... but it shouldnt be asking for hand outs and trying to get the western countrys to fund most of their research... which is what they and other "undeveloped" countries wanted at copenhagen etc

Okay, because you were able to takeover (ie, eliminate) the aboriginals in a new continent you get more carbon credits and get to breed more??? LOL, that makes a lot of sense until someone new comes along (like the Japanese almost did).

 

[amidamaru]

That's a wrong concept to look at present plight of the ozone layer without paying regard to the fact that the layer has been deteriorated to its present dire conditions through the centuries dating back as early as the dawn of the industrial revolution. Rome is not built in one day.

true, rome was not, and every single one of us are responsible.... but those who do produce the most today are the ones who really need to invest the most money and get clean technology out there so they can greatly reduce the emissions.

yes america is the most responsible and they should invest the most, but china currently produces the most and the onus is just as much on them aswell.

 

[amidamaru]

Okay, because you were able to takeover (ie, eliminate) the aboriginals in a new continent you get more carbon credits and get to breed more??? LOL, that makes a lot of sense until someone new comes along (like the Japanese almost did).

elimitate?? so your saying there is none left?? lol

it would not of made much difference if no aboriginals died we would still have a small population.... and the fact is we are one of the only countries who have adopted a rip off carbon tax at $25 a tonne.... australia might be a big country but we cannot sustain a big population, we do not have enough water... i am against australia breeding too much also

the world has too many people.. and china is the biggest culprit... fact remains if you didnt have as big of a population as you do, your country and gdp per capita would be a loooooot better and you would not need to pollute as much either

 

[shuttler]

true, rome was not, and every single one of us are responsible.... but those who do produce the most today are the ones who really need to invest the most money and get clean technology out there so they can greatly reduce the emissions.

yes america is the most responsible and they should invest the most, but china currently produces the most and the onus is just as much on them aswell.

When you have 10 guys in the room the first eight have already fill up a bucket to 8/10 of full capacity you cannot blame just the ninth guy for causing the bucket to overflow

 

[ephone]

China is 91st on the rich list, about the same as angola in africa. Isn't it apparent to say China is still a poor country?

Is China poor or rich? An interesting question .....
if you ask me i'd say neither pooor nor rich.

 

[amidamaru]

When you have 10 guys in the room the first eight have already fill up a bucket to 8/10 of full capacity you cannot blame just the ninth guy for causing the bucket to overflow

usa has produced 29% of total emissions to date... guess who is next few in line?? your country is responsible for a bigger piece of the pie then you like to believe

even my country has a lot of responsibility

http://cdn.theconversation.edu.au/files/1435/width440/Screen_shot_2011-06-01_at_10.48.22_AM.jpg

 

[ephone]

Just look at Australia 300 years ago, what is your population? How about now?

How about U.S. 300 years ago? How about now?

For China, who has developed for more than 3000 years, or 5000 years given or taken by different standards. What the hell do you expect???

Let's wait for another 2700 years and see how the australian population goes!!!

elimitate?? so your saying there is none left?? lol

it would not of made much difference if no aboriginals died we would still have a small population.... and the fact is we are one of the only countries who have adopted a rip off carbon tax at $25 a tonne.... australia might be a big country but we cannot sustain a big population, we do not have enough water... i am against australia breeding too much also

the world has too many people.. and china is the biggest culprit... fact remains if you didnt have as big of a population as you do, your country and gdp per capita would be a loooooot better and you would not need to pollute as much either

 

[amidamaru]

China is 91st on the rich list, about the same as angola in africa. Isn't it apparent to say China is still a poor country?

per capita

but you are 2nd in gross amount of money

 

[ephone]

Those axxhole western countries have polluted the world till this stage and now they accused China for the problem.

Well, China has done so much to improve her effort to curb pollution and adapt new technology to do so. How about U.S.??? Does it sign kyoto treaty??? What is U.S. consensus on global warming issue/problem?

How about other western countries???

For those who have advanced technology to curb pollution, they do not even want to share with China to do so. They either refuse to sell or sell at such a high price making it wide use not realizable. China has worked a lot and adopt clean energy plan on such a wide scale nationally. We have gone a great step.

At the same time, those western countries??? Many of you have just bitched back and forth without doing any significant work.

true, rome was not, and every single one of us are responsible.... but those who do produce the most today are the ones who really need to invest the most money and get clean technology out there so they can greatly reduce the emissions.

yes america is the most responsible and they should invest the most, but china currently produces the most and the onus is just as much on them aswell.

Your living standard is measured by gdp??? Are you nuts??? Each citizen has his/her cost, e.g. medical, living, schooling, food, transportation... don't you know it need multiplication???

per capita

but you are 2nd in gross amount of money

 

[shuttler]

per capita

but you are 2nd in gross amount of money

when the total amount is evenly shared, we are indeed developing. FACT.

 

[amidamaru]

Just look at Australia 300 years ago, what is your population? How about now?

How about U.S. 300 years ago? How about now?

For China, who has developed for more than 3000 years, or 5000 years given or taken by different standards. What the hell do you expect???

Let's wait for another 2700 years and see how the australian population goes!!!

most of our population immigrated here within the last 200 years..

the indigenous population is roughly the same 300 years ago as it is this very day...

istoric population (Estimated) [21][22]
Year Indigenous population
pre 1788 750,000 to 1,000,000 [23]
Year Non Indigenous population
1788 859
1798 4,588
1808 10,263
1818 25,859
1828 58,197
1838 151,868
1848 332,328
1858 1,050,828
1868 1,539,552
1878 2,092,164
1888 2,981,677
1898 3,664,715
Year Total population
1901 3,788,123
1906 4,059,083
1911 4,489,545
1916 4,943,173
1921 5,455,136
1926 6,056,360
1931 6,526,485
1936 6,778,372
1941 7,109,898
1946 7,465,157
1951 8,421,775
1956 9,425,563
1961 10,548,267
1966 11,599,498
1971 13,067,265
1976 14,033,083
1981 14,923,260
1986 16,018,350
1991 17,284,036
1996 18,310,714
2001 19,413,240
2006 20,848,760

 

[ephone]

No wonder in western countries, except a few, most of them really sucks at math.

when the total amount is evenly shared, we are indeed developing. FACT.

As what I have said, how about you add another 2700 years??? Go on!

most of our population immigrated here within the last 200 years..

the indigenous population is roughly the same 300 years ago as it is this very day...

istoric population (Estimated) [21][22]
Year Indigenous population
pre 1788 750,000 to 1,000,000 [23]
Year Non Indigenous population
1788 859
1798 4,588
1808 10,263
1818 25,859
1828 58,197
1838 151,868
1848 332,328
1858 1,050,828
1868 1,539,552
1878 2,092,164
1888 2,981,677
1898 3,664,715
Year Total population
1901 3,788,123
1906 4,059,083
1911 4,489,545
1916 4,943,173
1921 5,455,136
1926 6,056,360
1931 6,526,485
1936 6,778,372
1941 7,109,898
1946 7,465,157
1951 8,421,775
1956 9,425,563
1961 10,548,267
1966 11,599,498
1971 13,067,265
1976 14,033,083
1981 14,923,260
1986 16,018,350
1991 17,284,036
1996 18,310,714
2001 19,413,240
2006 20,848,760